China's Greatest Fear: U.S. Navy 'Cruise Missile Carriers'

[jhungary]

Why would China fear for GPS-based weapons as we are pretty much confident in anti-satellite techs? I think that American politicians are terribly scared by China instead. We have motivation and potential to beat US in every aspects. And US will give us time to catch.

You know the US have more than 10 GPS satellite, right? IN fact, US have more than 5000 Satellite orbiting the earth in any given moment, you are welcome to shoot them all down if you can...

 

[Beast]

you could pretty much sink entire navies with that 1 sub



oh do you ? US has bigger numbers , better technology and better trained military overall

so where does your advantage stand exactly? apart from having "infinite" human source

US better trained is just your personal perception.

Chinese Special Forces Take 1st, 2nd And 4th Place At 'Olympics' For Elite Warriors | Popular Science

Missile? China is called world manufacturing hub for a reason, that included cruise missiles and Ballistic missiles.

US cruise missile is slow at 0.9 mach while China precision strike ballistic missile goes at 10 mach speed with even MIRV. US wants to pick a fight? Bring it on.

You know the US have more than 10 GPS satellite, right? IN fact, US have more than 5000 Satellite orbiting the earth in any given moment, you are welcome to shoot them all down if you can...

We can create mass debris and knock out all GPS in outer space. Let switch back to traditional warfare and see who more dependent on GPS. US or China?

 

[Azeri440]

US better trained is just your personal perception.

Chinese Special Forces Take 1st, 2nd And 4th Place At 'Olympics' For Elite Warriors | Popular Science

Missile? China is called world manufacturing hub for a reason, that included cruise missiles and Ballistic missiles.

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US cruise missile is slow at 0.9 mach while China precision strike ballistic missile goes at 10 mach speed with even MIRV. US wants to pick a fight? Bring it on.

Lol right , US has the best trained military out there , it's not a perception it's a fact.

you want speed? here you go

 

[Beast]

Lol right , US has the best trained military out there , it's not a perception it's a fact.

you want speed? here you go

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They are prototype, not operational. China precision strike ballistic missile are operational and tested. You seems to have very vague idea of real weapon? Looks like US has a very successful marketing campaign on you.

 

[AMDR]

can create mass debris and knock out all GPS in outer space. Let switch back to traditional warfare and see who more dependent on GPS. US or China?

Our most effective anti-ship weapon doesn't need GPS....
New anti-ship missile conducts precision strikes without GPS -- Defense Systems

Neither does HARM, it's has Passive radar homing with and active seeker and INS.....
Raytheon, USAF test HARM missile upgrade - UPI.com

Or JDAM.....
Guided-Bomb Makers Anticipate GPS Jammers

Ships can still navigate.....
After two decades, sailing by the stars is back at the Naval Academy - The Washington Post

Base Tomahawks variants use TERCOM/DSMAC, and that plus EO or RADAR terminal homing for the new anti-surface variant.....
WEST: Bob Work Calls Navy’s Anti-Surface Tomahawk Test ‘Game Changing’ - USNI News

Latest variants of JSOW use infrared and Link-16.......
Net-Enabled JSOW Enters Operational Test | Paris Air Show 2015 content from Aviation Week

and the LGBs and LJDAM use laser....

All our precision weapons don't heavily rely on GPS despite what some people might think.

 

[gambit]

US better trained is just your personal perception.

Chinese Special Forces Take 1st, 2nd And 4th Place At 'Olympics' For Elite Warriors | Popular Science

And Chinese special forces capabilities to be on a par with ours is your perception.

From your own source...

It is important to note, however, that many top special operations units were not present at this training competition (including notable US and Russian forces presently active on operations)...

These contests are not so much contests are they are races, basically endurance competitions. You could toss in urban warfare situations like breaches or shootings, etc. Or you can have land navigation for both ground and air forces. But these are only components of what special operations actually do and there are many other components the Chinese special operations forces do not have experience.

You think the Chinese special forces have much experience in living, training, and relationship making with indigenous like the US Army Special Forces, aka 'Green Berets', over the past decades ? You are delusional if you think the PLA does. How many combat search and rescue missions have the Chinese special forces done compares to the USAF PJs and I mean really opening up the word 'combat' with all of its dangers and risks of failures ?

US cruise missile is slow at 0.9 mach while China precision strike ballistic missile goes at 10 mach speed with even MIRV.

Compare a cruise missile against a ballistic one ? That just goes to show you are just as immature as your pals.

US wants to pick a fight? Bring it on.

Your PLA will be shocked and awed, just like the Iraqis were.

We can create mass debris and knock out all GPS in outer space. Let switch back to traditional warfare and see who more dependent on GPS. US or China?

This is where you are grossly wrong.

First, your China will be condemned for hundreds of yrs for setting mankind back by denying the use of orbital resources.

Second, just because we use GPS and publicize that usage, that does not mean our gear are hardwired to fail if GPS signals are not available. Your lack of military experience revealed that ignorance. The US Naval Academy returned to teaching celestial navigation. USAF pilots do have navigation training that does not include GPS signals. US cruise missiles do have fall back methods to navigate to targets when GPS signals are not available, as they often are.

You want your China to be the pariah of the tech world ? Bring it on, kid.

 

[Azeri440]

They are prototype, not operational. China precision strike ballistic missile are operational and tested. You seems to have very vague idea of real weapon? Looks like US has a very successful marketing campaign on you.

No , I was just pointing towards your stupidity of comparing cruise missiles to ICBMs by emphasizing on their speed

And Chinese special forces capabilities to be on a par with ours is your perception.

From your own source...

the moron doesn't even realize the most experienced SFs don't even participate in these "competitions"
why would they want to reveal their methods and etc. for a "dick" measuring contest

 

[gambit]

the moron doesn't even realize the most experienced SFs don't even participate in these "competitions"
why would they want to reveal their methods and etc. for a "dick" measuring contest

The final 'competition' is actual combat. There are no second place in combat. Only survivors and the dead. The survivors go on to gain more experience in more situations.

 

[BoQ77]

China is marketing the ability of H-6K bringing 7 cruise missiles max with range 1,500+km could pose a harm to Guam or even Hawaii.
I don't know why they don't do something with their nuclear powered submarines like Ohio SSGN ? with 7 missiles x 22 =

154 Tomahawk missiles in a single sub that hiding somewhere in SCS or ECS. Wow !!!
That's much more effective than 22x H-6K

Virginia Payload Module ( VPM )

 

[jhungary]

US better trained is just your personal perception.

Chinese Special Forces Take 1st, 2nd And 4th Place At 'Olympics' For Elite Warriors | Popular Science

Missile? China is called world manufacturing hub for a reason, that included cruise missiles and Ballistic missiles.

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US cruise missile is slow at 0.9 mach while China precision strike ballistic missile goes at 10 mach speed with even MIRV. US wants to pick a fight? Bring it on.


We can create mass debris and knock out all GPS in outer space. Let switch back to traditional warfare and see who more dependent on GPS. US or China?

First, it's impossible for you to shoot them all down at one. all the satellite were at different orbit and how are you suggesting to shoot down a satellite on the different side of earth? Your missile cannot bend in stratosphere.....It's vacuum...

Secondly, your ASAT weapon can only target Satellite at LEO (Low Earth orbit) which is somewhere about 1000km from earth. You do know we have satellite orbit on another level right? Plus, most of the GPS satellite (Galileo et el) were located in Medium Earth orbit, not LEO, which is about 20,000km from earth. About 20 times your ASAT weapon range.

Vela (satellite) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Galileo (satellite navigation) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Thirdly, Satellite is Pre-90 technology in the US, we have been using GSP and SATNAV since the first gulf war. I cannot tell you what it is but we had move on from GPS for a while now, even since when I was in the Army, in theory, you can destroy our GPS network (itself is impossible to do) but it would not to much to hinder the warfighting capability to the US military.

So, to answer your question, China would have been more reliant on GPS then the US for sure. Seeing China just started using GPS service in the recent 10 years.