'China's full membership will provide SAARC extra bargaining power'

[Sashan]

India become India today only after the British India Company's 300 years rule.

We hold our frontier lands for far more time than the British Company had India.



If so, India should go home and play with yourself.

I suggest you read the history well. The British Company(sic) kicked your **** as well - remember Hong Kong?

 

[Vinod2070]

No matter Mongols or Manchus are Chinese (And they believe so).

You wish.

Obviously the outer Mongolians (even the inner ones who have been swamped by the Hans in their own areas) don't think so now.

Nor then!

What about the Mughals before your British master? Do they think themselves to be Indian?

There are no Mughals now.

And yes, they did. Nothing but Indians.

 

[SpArK]

agree SAARC minus india will work.

Thast better IMO too.

Bilateral agreements are the only ones working most of the times.

Let China, Congo or whoever come to SAARC.

SAARC is active only during that SAARC games, where all countries get medals including Pakistan and BD.

Now they can fight only in hockey and kabaddi rest will go to -->>

 

[Vinod2070]

Mongols or Manchus are Chinese. They picked up Han language, characters, classics, philosophies and moral values. And they believe that they are Chinese instead of barbarians.

Yet that didn't prevent them from killing you wholesale.

Or from forcing the Q hairstyle on you Hans.

Or from not allowing you in their own lands.

And...

What about the Mughals before your British master? Do they think themselves to be Indian? Did any Vice King of India make Hindu to be the first official language?

Hindu is not a language. Try something more than the red book as advised.

 

[Zabaniyah]

Wrong flags?

????

He is right. It was initially envisioned by Ziaur Rahman.
SAARC Commitments
South Asian Association For Regional Cooperation | SAARC Award

 

[oct605032048]

I suggest you read the history well. The British Company(sic) kicked your **** as well - remember Hong Kong?

Should the glory to the Queen or to the Queen's loyal onion heads?

 

[Vinod2070]

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He is right. It was initially envisioned by Ziaur Rahman.
SAARC Commitments
South Asian Association For Regional Cooperation | SAARC Award

OK, I thought he meant the other, more famous Zia.

 

[Skyline]

SAARC is totally a joke though if China get full membership it will help China to do more economic influences with in SAARC countries + Can tickle India more often and can enjoy more control over "Indian" ocean.

 

[Sashan]

Should the glory to the Queen or to the Queen's loyal onion heads?

There is no glory for either India or China. You were claiming you were holding your lands compared to Indians. But the fact is both China and India share the shameful history in the past 200 years. We were ruled by British whereas you got repeatedly mauled by western countries and some of your lands were taken away - Macau by Portugese and Hong Kong by Britain not to mention Japan.

In short, I do not understand what is there for you to gloat.

 

[asad71]

Wrong flags?

BTW, India is more than 80% of SAARC's population and 85% economy.

Without India, there is no SAARC.

In fact, India is SAARC.

1. It could have worked even with the asymmetric weight-age India enjoys in population and economy - although Indian economy is is not doing well. However it is the attitude problem that Super Poor India has because of suffering subjugation for millenniums.

2. In its present form for SAARC to work we got to wait for India to disintegrate into ethnic/religious linguistic groups. This disintegration is inevitable and has always existed in the minds and hearts of all the peoples outside the central Hindu heartland.

 

[Vinod2070]

There is no glory for either India or China. You were claiming you were holding your lands compared to Indians. But the fact is both China and India share the shameful history in the past 200 years. We were ruled by British whereas you got repeatedly mauled by western countries and some of your lands were taken away - Macau by Portugese and Hong Kong by Britain not to mention Japan.

In short, I do not understand what is there for you to gloat.

They may try to act smart here, among their own, the humiliation still rankles and is a big business.

The China Beat · Book Review: China: The Pessoptimist Nation

Slightly more ambivalent, perhaps, is its fondness for one Goujian, a fifth-century BC king of the state of Yue. Having been captured by a rival ruler, the king of Wu, Goujian devoted himself to maintaining a duplicitous show of submissiveness: kowtowing before his conqueror, living amid piles of royal horse manure, even eating his captor’s excrement. Moved by Goujian’s capitulation, the king of Wu allowed him to return, a free man, to Yue. For the next twenty years, Goujian subjected himself to endless unpleasantnesses—spending his winters standing in cold water, hugging hot braziers in deep summer—in order to keep alive the memory of his humiliating discomforts in Wu and to feed his desire for revenge. He is renowned for sleeping on a bed of brushwood over which was suspended a bile-filled gallbladder which he would lick whenever he was in danger of forgetting his past bitterness. For some twenty years, he schemed and plotted until, finally, he succeeded in destroying Wu. The story of Goujian—much repeated through Chinese history but commemorated with particular intensity during the twentieth century—seems to highlight a Chinese interest in heroic attributes that are less than wholly wholesome: that are obsessed with humiliation, self-loathing, and vengefulness. [1]

This preoccupation with humiliation, William Callahan argues in his excellent book China: The Pessoptimist Nation, is a key part of the story of modern China. Since China’s modern nationalists began earnestly trying to manufacture a strong, cohesive nation out of a messy, failing empire, they have relied heavily on the discourse of “national humiliation”: on regularly reminding the Chinese people of their modern history of defeats at the hands of the imperialist powers (Britain, France, the U.S.A., Japan), to spur them to better things. On the one hand, China’s modern elites have believed confidently in China’s right to regain its traditional place in the sun; on the other, this quest to forge a vigorous nation-state has betrayed a powerfully self-critical strain in the modern Chinese psyche—what Geremie Barmé has termed the pull between “self-hate and self-approbation.” Thanks to the highly successful “patriotic education” campaign introduced by the Communist state after 1989—which has dwelled on China’s “century of humiliation” inflicted by foreign imperialism, from the Opium War to the Second World War—the Chinese humiliation complex shows little sign of abating.

It is an interesting study in human psychology.

1. It could have worked even with the asymmetric weight-age India enjoys in population and economy - although Indian economy is is not doing well. However it is the attitude problem that Super Poor India has because of suffering subjugation for millenniums.

I know. The present temporary phase of growth going down 1-2% has got many of you excited.

We will disappoint you soon.

We saved your mothers from rapine and father from being massacred as a race, we gifted you your country and moved on.

You can stew in your hate and we couldn't care less. Fact remains that you are the most unpromising country on the whole of God's green Earth.

2. In its present form for SAARC to work we got to wait for India to disintegrate into ethnic/religious linguistic groups. This disintegration is inevitable and has always existed in the minds and hearts of all the peoples outside the central Hindu heartland.

You will wait a very long wait indeed.

Many have already gone to the graves with this unfulfilled wish.

 

[Raphael]

^Indians lecturing others about the psychology of humiliation is a bit rich.

Anyway, this is an interesting proposal although I don't think SAARC has much trade benefit. Individual members are not actually each other's biggest trading partners. Kind of feels like it was made just because every other region was doing it.

 

[Bharat_singh]

What is so special about SAARC
I hope i have spelled SAARC correctly..

 

[Zabaniyah]

What is so special about SAARC
I hope i have spelled SAARC correctly..

You didn't know?

It's a Coca-Cola club!

 

[Bharat_singh]

You didn't know?

It's a Coca-Cola club!

Ok Ok got it now

Then let our chineese friends also join SAARC and enjoy our(south asians) hospitality, food.