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China's Emergency Sat Launch Vehicle Raises Eyebrows
Nov. 12, 2014 - 03:10PM |
By WENDELL MINNICK |

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ZHUHAI, CHINA — The China Aerospace Science and Industry Corp. (CASIC) displayed a model of its FT-1 solid launch vehicle for emergency satellite launches at the Airshow China here near Hong Kong.

A road-mobile trailer truck would transport the 20-meter-long rocket to its launch location where it would be erected into a vertical position.

The unanswered question by CASIC representatives is why anybody would need to make an emergency launch of a small satellite using a road-mobile trailer truck.

The placard on the exhibit states: “It mainly offers launch service for domestic and international small satellites with a 300 kg level or below. It has the characteristics of high orbital injection precision, low cost, easy structure, high mobility, rapid launch, high reliability, and short production cycle.”

Airshow China, known officially as the 10th China International Aviation and Aerospace Exhibition, is being held from Nov. 11-16.
 
With all the anti satellite weapon nowadays, satellites will be the high priority target at the beginning of the war. You bet all the space launch facilities would be quickly destroyed from the map as well.
To have a mobile launch facility means the ability to repair vital communication links and other essential service such as GPS/Beidou in a timely fashion after all the conventional space launch pad has been destroyed.
 
With all the anti satellite weapon nowadays, satellites will be the high priority target at the beginning of the war. You bet all the space launch facilities would be quickly destroyed from the map as well.
To have a mobile launch facility means the ability to repair vital communication links and other essential service such as GPS/Beidou in a timely fashion after all the conventional space launch pad has been destroyed.
Agreed!!!
But realistically... the only kind of fight in which the vulnerability of space launch sites would be a factor would be a major conflict with another military power that is swatting your satellites out of space. So is China "expecting" a major conflict in the near future??? is it a sign to its neighbors??
 
Agreed!!!
But realistically... the only kind of fight in which the vulnerability of space launch sites would be a factor would be a major conflict with another military power that is swatting your satellites out of space. So is China "expecting" a major conflict in the near future??? is it a sign to its neighbors??

The type of scenario being talked about has a drawback too. Sure, you can degrade some capabilities of an enemy nation by targeting their satellites, but you put your own at a very high risk of destruction too. Not by enemy ASAT systems, but through a little process known as "kessler syndrome".

TheDiplomat has an interesting article on why China can't actually do lasting damage to the US military's sats, and I'll post a bit of info on the Kessler Syndrome too.

China’s Deceptively Weak Anti-Satellite Capabilities | The Diplomat - don't complain to me about the content, I'm not the author - but much of the content is accurate, especially regarding high-orbit sats.

The Kessler Syndrome Explained - basically if you start blowing up stuff in space, the amount of material floating up their increases and puts more and more existing systems at risk, some will be hit as well, thus increasing the total amount of debris in space and ultimately the process spirals out of control until space is too dangerous of satellites.

Blowing up sats is too risky, but blinding can be an effective alternative and one both the US and China have demonstrated the feasibility of.
 
Agreed!!!
But realistically... the only kind of fight in which the vulnerability of space launch sites would be a factor would be a major conflict with another military power that is swatting your satellites out of space. So is China "expecting" a major conflict in the near future??? is it a sign to its neighbors??

Additionally, the US and Russia still have emergency communication rockets that are supposed to provide emergency communication for their nuclear forces in case their primary means is taken out. The same could be the purpose for this system
 
The Kessler Syndrome Explained - basically if you start blowing up stuff in space, the amount of material floating up their increases and puts more and more existing systems at risk, some will be hit as well, thus increasing the total amount of debris in space and ultimately the process spirals out of control until space is too dangerous of satellites.
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Or anybody for that matter.. The movie"Gravity" was made to demonstrate this. However, the possibility that this may be carried out depends on the gravity(pun wholly unintended) of the conflict.
 
The Kessler Syndrome Explained - basically if you start blowing up stuff in space, the amount of material floating up their increases and puts more and more existing systems at risk, some will be hit as well, thus increasing the total amount of debris in space and ultimately the process spirals out of control until space is too dangerous of satellites.

Blowing up sats is too risky, but blinding can be an effective alternative and one both the US and China have demonstrated the feasibility of.
Yes..China did cause damage to satellites and astronauts with ASAT in 2007 (the huge plume of debris I meant)...so does US decision to down one of its own non-functional satellites shortly after the Chinese ASAT test during Operation Burnt Frost mirror anything??
In Burnt Frost.. the ASAT weapon was fired from a ship in the middle of the Pacific Ocean.
I read it on another site.
 
Yes..China did cause damage to satellites and astronauts with ASAT in 2007 (the huge plume of debris I meant)...so does US decision to down one of its own non-functional satellites shortly after the Chinese ASAT test during Operation Burnt Frost mirror anything??
In Burnt Frost.. the ASAT weapon was fired from a ship in the middle of the Pacific Ocean.
I read it on another site.

There is a difference though between both tests. During the 2007 ASAT test by the Chinese, they targetted an orbiting satillite that was not in a degrading orbit... basically the material they put into space by blowing up their sat stayed there. However, the US sat shoot down targeted a sat that was in a degrading orbit and would have entered into Earth's atmoshpere and burnt up in a few days anyway. Because of its degrading orbit, the material produced from the Burnt Frost excersise was disintegrated during re-entery instead of lingering in space as seen with China's 2007 test.

Keep in mind that during a war, sats that are in orbit and in stable paths will be targeted... sats like military GPS and communications systems. These are not in danger of having their orbits degrading and thus when destroyed, the material produced will linger and become a threat to other sats. Had USA-193 not been in a degrading orbit, it would not have been shot down by the USN.

During war blowing up satellites is nothing more than a stupid idea that puts future satellite launches and space exploration at risk.

"U.S. officials indicated a U.S. spy satellite, later confirmed as USA-193, was in a deteriorating orbit and was expected to crash onto Earth within weeks." - USA-193 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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There is a difference though between both tests. During the 2007 ASAT test by the Chinese, they targetted an orbiting satillite that was not in a degrading orbit... basically the material they put into space by blowing up their sat stayed there. However, the US sat shoot down targeted a sat that was in a degrading orbit and would have entered into Earth's atmoshpere and burnt up in a few days anyway. Because of its degrading orbit, the material produced from the Burnt Frost excersise was disintegrated during re-entery instead of lingering in space as seen with China's 2007 test.

Keep in mind that during a war, sats that are in orbit and in stable paths will be targeted... sats like military GPS and communications systems. These are not in danger of having their orbits degrading and thus when destroyed, the material produced will linger and become a threat to other sats. Had USA-193 not been in a degrading orbit, it would not have been shot down by the USN.
"U.S. officials indicated a U.S. spy satellite, later confirmed as USA-193, was in a deteriorating orbit and was expected to crash onto Earth within weeks." - USA-193 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
As far as US 193 is concerned I doubt that after the successful launch it may not really 've lost contact with ground.
And Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates almost let the cat out by saying "the mission's success shows that U.S. plans for a missile-defense system are realistic".
SvenSvensonov said:
During war blowing up satellites is nothing more than a stupid idea that puts future satellite launches and space exploration at risk.
Right!!
But if countries can keep nuclear weapons ready to destroy its enemies then I think blowing up satellites would be no biggie.
 
One country blows another country sats in space, that will be an act of war and we know only few powerful countries have effective sats system. And they are significant military powers too. That day you can say will be start of nukes going off accidently or intentionally. Doesn't matter. Slowly slowly we are moving towards our own destruction honestly. Thank you.
 
Additionally, the US and Russia still have emergency communication rockets that are supposed to provide emergency communication for their nuclear forces in case their primary means is taken out. The same could be the purpose for this system
But the FT-1's 650 pound (max) payload is small,even a weather satellite might be 10 times as heavy.
Do you think emergency communication rockets would be lighter?
 
China Unveils New Rocket, People Get Real Curious About What It's For
By Ryan Faith

November 13, 2014

Smack dab in the middle of a string of peaceful international summits, China has gone and hosted a major arms exhibition. The annual Airshow China in Zhuhai lasts through November 16, and it's managing to coincide with the Asia Pacific Economic Cooperation regional summit in Beijing, the Association of Southeast Asian Nations summit in Myanmar, and the 2014 G-20 Summit in Australia.

The symbolism of having a major arms show spotlighting China's military technology is not lost on observers — especially since China has already unsettled its neighbors lately with its aggressive diplomatic and military posture.

One new development that is attracting attention in the defense industry trade press is the unveiling of a new Chinese prototype launch vehicle, the Feitian Emergency Satellite Launch System, or FT-1. The launch vehicle is a solid-fuel rocket smaller than but roughly comparable to Europe's Vega and Japan's Epsilon rockets, and capable of deploying a satellite of up to about 650 pounds.

What's attracted the notice of observers is that the rocket itself fits in a tractor trailer and can be launched from just about anywhere. It would be awfully expensive to add that kind of capability just for amusement, so why would China think it needs a road-mobile satellite launch system?

What does the US military's new space plane really do? Read more here.

The manufacturer, the China Aerospace Science and Industry Corporation (CASIC), says that the launcher is a "space emergency response system" intended to quickly replace a downed or nonfunctioning satellite. The ability to drive on the road is supposed to increase launch site flexibility by allowing the launch site and launch vehicle integration — the process of connecting a satellite to a launcher — to be separate.

This makes a certain amount of sense. NASA's gigantic crawler that took the Saturn V rockets and Space Shuttle from the Vehicle Assembly Building to the launch pad does the same thing — but it's about a billionth as mobile as a truck. So maybe the Chinese just figured that trucks are better than crawlers, and that truck-sized things are easily moved by trucks.

However, not everyone is convinced. Normally when a country develops a solid-fuel rocket like the FT-1, it's a sign that the country is trying to develop or improve its ICBM force. Solid fuel is the propellant of choice for military systems because it is easier to store and use than the liquid-fuel alternative. Making a road-mobile space launch system would then seem to suggest that China is actually trying to get better road-mobile ICBMs — and choosing an arms show spanning three regional summits to remind its neighbors who's the boss in Asia.

Except the Chinese did that last month when they tested — you guessed it — a road-mobile ICBM, the DF-31B. And so the unveiling of the FT-1 could be a strategic signal of sorts, but it would be like showing off your academic chops by reapplying to the same program you just successfully graduated from.

Road-mobile missiles play an important role in strategic deterrence. They're hard to find and eliminate, and are therefore a way for a country to make its nuclear deterrent less vulnerable to a first strike or counterattack. But the reasoning for using something road-mobile in a space launch is a little less clear. Launch sites are generally big, fixed installations that are vulnerable to attack. But realistically, the only kind of fight in which the vulnerability of space launch sites would be a factor would be a major conflict with another military power that is swatting your satellites out of space.

And even then it wouldn't make much sense. The FT-1's 650-pound maximum payload is small — a weather satellite might be 10 times as heavy — and besides, major launch vehicles are so large that road mobility isn't really an option.

China did demonstrate an anti-satellite (ASAT) weapon in 2007, creating a huge plume of space debris deadly to satellites and astronauts — and the launch vehicle for that was even smaller than the FT-1. This has led some to speculate that the real reason China would pursue the FT-1's technology is to have a road-mobile ASAT that could take out enemy satellites without the need for a launch base. This is roughly mirrored by the US decision to down one of its own non-functional satellites shortly after the Chinese ASAT test during Operation Burnt Frost. In Burnt Frost, the ASAT weapon was fired from a ship in the middle of the Pacific Ocean.

So, fair enough — a mobile satellite launch system that allows small payloads to be integrated far from the launch site may suggest an anti-satellite system is in the works. But is China really choosing to hint at its ASAT capabilities at the same time it's meeting with fellow spacefaring and strategic rivals America and Japan?

Similar systems in development may hint at the answer. DARPA is pursuing an airborne launch system on behalf of the Defense Department called the Airborne Launch Assist Space Access (ALASA). In one sense, it's like the FT-1 — a way of transporting a fully loaded launch vehicle and using it to put a small payload into orbit without the need for a big, complex launch facility. This would theoretically offer a number of benefits, including getting ahead of launch site weather conditions and reducing costs. However, like the manufacturer of the FT-1, DARPA isn't mentioning any ASAT applications in its press releases.

This kind of air-launch technology is also being pursued by private companies in the US, one of the better known examples being Virgin Galactic. Richard Branson's team is, in addition to developing SpaceShipTwo for the tourist market, working on a satellite launch vehicle called LauncherOne. Much like DARPA's ALASA, LauncherOne is a system with a launch vehicle that would be carried to altitude by another aircraft and then released, at which point it would fire its motor, fly higher, and place a small payload into space.

Does this mean Branson is trying to develop the kind of ASAT capability that would be important in a high-intensity conflict with a major global and military power, perhaps in order to ransom the world's satellites like a James Bond villain?

No. Because sometimes a rocket is just a rocket.
 
But the FT-1's 650 pound (max) payload is small,even a weather satellite might be 10 times as heavy.
Do you think emergency communication rockets would be lighter?

We Chinese like toys。Now that we are starting to have a little money and time,we sure are gonna have all sorts of toys just to keep ourselves amused。

Chinese history is littered with stories of Chinese nobles paying technicians to invent and invent。So it is in our blood trying out different gadgets for fun or otherwise。:D
 

Chinese history is littered with stories of Chinese nobles paying technicians to invent and invent。So it is in our blood trying out different gadgets for fun or otherwise。:D
I trust you on that... even the full stops in your post 're very innovative.Lol
As @Oscar here brought to my notice that US and Russia had such a system since long back... AN/DRC-8 Emergency Rocket Communications System - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
That was 50years ago.

I hope India also comes up with one soon :)
 

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