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China’s economy may never eclipse America’s

About 15 to years construction might be doable with the cost spread out. Yes, there are many benefits for the line, it will be a real strategic link and trade route for two countries.
Prospects for increased consumption is limited in China, as we are now seeing deflation. Local Consumption only makes up 40-50% of the Chinese economy. This is only set to get worse due to population decline (although the average Chinese person’s buying power will increase as GDP per capita increases IF pay increases with productivity, but will it?)

South Asia and Africa have population growth for decades to come, inefficient resource management and bad governance. They also need climate change mitigation infrastructure that could boost their economy further.

They will need dams, canals, solar panels, and wind farms, and China is best placed to do joint ventures to build/produce these.

Also the major youth unemployment issue in China could be partially addressed with more employment opportunities for Chinese workers in different industries in these countries.

Climate change resilient housing with natural air conditioning is also another area of major potential growth, as many for these countries are rapidly urbanizing. These countries will also need Labor force training, Infrastructure to do joint ventures, and reforms in regulations / court system and ease of doing business to maximize their economic prospects. Chinese experts could do slot of work in these areas.

Indonesia is the example of a well governed country with positive but modest demographic growth and a lot of resources to further develop. Many of these countries could be helped to become more like Indonesia.

The key will be bringing together local elites under a stable political arrangement. Perhaps the factions supported by France (which was an idea France suggested to China) and Russia could still keep their troops in country (as they current are already anyway) and these two countries could back such arrangements (and get some of the business) preventing a breakdown. Chinese experts would be protected by local troops, French and Russian troops, and then a small detachment of Chinese troops, which would help them gain experience as well.
 
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Prospects for increased consumption is limited in China, as we are now seeing deflation. Local Consumption only makes up 40-50% of the Chinese economy. This is only set to get worse due to population decline (although the average Chinese person’s buying power will increase as GDP per capita increases IF pay increases with productivity, but will it?)

South Asia and Africa have population growth for decades to come, inefficient resource management and bad governance. They also need climate change mitigation infrastructure that could boost their economy further.

They will need dams, canals, solar panels, and wind farms, and China is best placed to do joint ventures to build/produce these.

Also the major youth unemployment issue in China could be partially addressed with more employment opportunities for Chinese workers in different industries in these countries.

Climate change resilient housing with natural air conditioning is also another area of major potential growth, as many for these countries are rapidly urbanizing. These countries will also need Labor force training, Infrastructure to do joint ventures, and reforms in regulations / court system and ease of doing business to maximize their economic prospects. Chinese experts could do slot of work in these areas.

Indonesia is the example of a well governed country with positive but modest demographic growth and a lot of resources to further develop. Many of these countries could be helped to become more like Indonesia.

The key will be bringing together local elites under a stable political arrangement. Perhaps the factions supported by France (which was an idea France suggested to China) and Russia could still keep their troops in country (as they current are already anyway) and these two countries could back such arrangements (and get some of the business) preventing a breakdown. Chinese experts would be protected by local troops, French and Russian troops, and then a small detachment of Chinese troops, which would help them gain experience as well.
They have to increase the spending of Chinese people in the coming years, for example Chinese are not buying apartments and houses these days and that ought to be changed. Other than that, I don't know if China wants to get that involved in Africa and others development. As I said, there are many regions in China esp rural areas and small towns that need huge development in infra and housing for example, the Chinese gov and construction companies are neglecting them right now.
 
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They have to increase the spending of Chinese people in the coming years, for example Chinese are not buying apartments and houses these days and that ought to be changed. Other than that, I don't know if China wants to get that involved in Africa and others development. As I said, there are many regions in China esp rural areas and small towns that need huge development in infra and housing for example, the Chinese gov and construction companies are neglecting them right now.
There is a lot of empty housing in areas somewhat adjacent to where many people of these people live. That would help address the mismatch in unmet demand and excess empty housing. The Chinese government could give investor back their money over a 20-30 year window by having the new tenants pay a mortgage to live in their properties. Address both problems simultaneously.

Why build more housing when you have an excess and resources could be better put in diversifying the economy, with external engines of growth.
 
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In 1997, economists at the International Monetary Fund pointed out that China’s economy was growing so fast it might be bigger than the US economy by 2017.

That didn’t happen.

China’s economy did go gangbusters, however, and its population of more than 1 billion people seemed to assure it would eventually become the world’s biggest market. In 2010, Goldman Sachs estimated that China’s economy could overtake America’s as the world’s largest by 2030. The Economist was bolder, predicting China would become the world’s largest economy by 2019. The shift, whenever it came, would signal that a new economic superpower was ready to challenge US influence everywhere in the world.

Now it looks like that day may never come.

China’s economy has hit the skids in ways that suggest 25 years of supercharged growth may be ending, well before China achieves economic superpower status. China’s economy never powered out of the COVID pandemic the way the US economy did — and it’s barely growing now. Instead of marveling at China’s prosperity miracle, economists are now pondering whether China’s woes will bring down other parts of the global economy.

Desmond Lachman of the American Enterprise Institute recently told Reuters that China’s economy is unlikely to eclipse the United States anytime within the next 20 years. Economist Paul Krugman, also a New York Times columnist, likens China to Japan in the early 1990s. That's when runaway growth came to a screeching halt and worries about an Asian nation’s world domination proved wildly unfounded.

Japan, at least, had become a rich country by then. China still isn’t, and it may never join the ranks of so-called advanced economies.

China faces many structural and cyclical problems, including a declining population, likely to make India the world’s most populous country sometime this year or next. China has relied far too heavily on debt-fueled real estate projects to power its growth, which has now produced an ongoing real estate collapse some liken to a “Lehman Brothers moment” for China.

Meanwhile, the unemployment rate among 16-to-24-year-olds in China has officially risen from 11% in 2018 to 21% now. The real youth unemployment rate might be as high as 46%, according to the Eurasia Group.

China’s communist government has stimulated the economy out of many slowdowns during the last 25 years, but recent efforts, including interest rate cuts and other measures, have underwhelmed investors and triggered stock sell-offs. The slowdown could be chronic. “Given how long we’ll be living with China’s economic struggles, investors will have plenty of time to get up to speed,” Capital Economics advised in an Aug. 21 report.

China’s stagnation could have unexpected effects on global investors, American policymakers, and even US elections.

When Donald Trump first ran for president in 2016, he complained that China was “eating our lunch,” citing record-high US trade deficits with China. As president, Trump imposed tariffs on hundreds of billions of dollars of Chinese exports to the United States, hoping to trigger more US manufacturing and cut US reliance on China.

Trump’s trade war with China mostly raised costs on US importers — including consumers — while failing to accomplish its stated goals.

Yet Joe Biden kept those tariffs in place after he became president in 2021. And Biden has gone further. New export controls ban the sale of certain US technologies to China, to inhibit production of advanced military weapons. Bills Biden signed to promote US manufacturing of semiconductors and green energy technology appear to be diverting some investment away from China back to the United States. And a burgeoning trilateral alliance between the United States, Japan, and South Korea is in part an economic bulwark against China’s heft in Asia.

The trajectory of China’s economy is more than a chest-thumping contest.

It matters because China under President Xi Jinping has increasingly become a militant threat to neighbors, including Taiwan, and an antagonist of Western democracies. In the early 2000s, shortly after China joined the World Trade Organization and began its export boom, many Western analysts assumed China’s communist government would become more democratic and friendlier as capitalism made it wealthier. But that hasn’t happened.

Xi, for instance, regularly promises to “reunite” China with Taiwan by invading it. As a coalition of US-led nations sanction Russia over its barbaric war in Ukraine, China has become Russia’s most important ally. It doesn’t yet provide Russia desperately needed military gear, but it is now Russia’s biggest energy customer and it provides Russia many products difficult to get elsewhere because of sanctions.

Politicians in both US political parties become have become aggressive China-bashers. Biden, running for reelection, has violated diplomatic protocol by calling Xi a “dictator.” Trump, the leading GOP contender in the 2024 race despite 91 criminal charges against him, has plans to limit US trade with China even moreif he gets elected. Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, running a far second in GOP polls behind Trump, recently unveiled an economic vision centered on further reducing China’s economic power.

China isn’t fading into the sunset. It’s a nuclear power that will probably remain the world’s biggest manufacturer for a long time. If it wants to cause trouble, it will continue to have the means to do so.

But China may also have as many gremlins in its own system as it has competitors on the world stage. The US economy, by contrast, remains dynamic and resilient.

American dominance isn't over, yet.

Wrong, China will eclipse American economy in a matter of years. Even American media admitted this.
 
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US can't afford upgrading their infras, actually now US even can't afford maintaining it's miltary equipment. their Nominal GDP is only on paper
They can afford it, but the oligarchy and war machine wants those funds for themselves exclusively.

American infrastructure and its people have continued to deteriorate while billionaire class, corporations that don't really produce anything and war machine continues to grow exponentially.
 
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US can't afford upgrading their infras, actually now US even can't afford maintaining it's miltary equipment. their Nominal GDP is only on paper
They can afford it, but the oligarchy and war machine wants those funds for themselves exclusively.

American infrastructure and its people have continued to deteriorate while billionaire class, corporations that don't really produce anything and war machine continues to grow exponentially.


More than a $1T infrastructure bill was passed in 2021 and over $280B has already been allocated to the states.

If you want specific projects by state:



Stop peddling lies
 
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More than a $1T infrastructure bill was passed in 2021 and over $280B has already been allocated to the states.

If you want specific projects by state:



Stop peddling lies

$1 trillion is not much in US, this is just equivalent of annual debt interest servicing costs for the fed govt.
When a tiny lamp post costs $10,000 to erect, $1 trillion is bare minimum to do anything.

Los Angeles bus shade for women and minorities slammed as too narrow for anyone to stand under | Daily Mail Online

By some estimates, just bridge repairs will cost $319 billion.

ARTBA: Necessary U.S. bridge repairs would cost $319B (theconstructionbroadsheet.com)
 
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They have to increase the spending of Chinese people in the coming years, for example Chinese are not buying apartments and houses these days and that ought to be changed. Other than that, I don't know if China wants to get that involved in Africa and others development. As I said, there are many regions in China esp rural areas and small towns that need huge development in infra and housing for example, the Chinese gov and construction companies are neglecting them right now.
China is hoping Africa does a lot of the work on its own and participates on the margins, in some joint ventures. Ethiopia (with a link to the Djibouti port) maybe a good test case to see how Chinese companies get a reliable ROI, now that Ethiopia will join the BRICS.

 
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China is hoping Africa does a lot of the work on its own and participates on the margins, in some joint ventures. Ethiopia (with a link to the Djibouti port) maybe a good test case to see how Chinese companies get a reliable ROI, now that Ethiopia will join the BRICS.

At least, Ethiopia is copying some Chinese development models, and I think they are showing good growth results now.
 
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