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China’s Defiance of International Court Has Precedent—U.S. Defiance

clearly you dont have an iota of knowledge regarding UNSC,

PRC became member of UNSC in 1971, earlier it was Republic of China<Taiwan> which was the permanent member.
In late 1950s & 1960s, western countries including Russia was in support of awarding UNSC seat to India, instead of PRC getting the
seat when Republic of China<Taiwan> was not able to foot the bills.
But stupid Nehru blinded in hindi-chini bhai bhai rhetoric, declined the seat and asked US and other powers instead give the seat to communist China<PRC>, Nehru was a blunder to India, stupid shit was living in fool's paradise and was thinking himself as a leader of NAM movement.
But I am pretty sure you chinese wont be educated in these things. Propoganda CCP propoganda :D

HaHaHa, "LONG LIVE THE NEVER ENDING IndianS INTERNET HOAX "
dated September 28, 1955: UN seat: Nehru clarifies

Prime Minister Nehru has categorically denied any offer, formal or informal, having been received about a seat for India in the UN Security Council. He made this statement in reply to a short notice question in the Lok Sabha on September 27 by Dr. J.N. Parekh whether India had refused a seat informally offered to her in the Security Council. The Prime Minister said: "There has been no offer, formal or informal, of this kind. Some vague references have appeared in the press about it which have no foundation in fact. The composition of the Security Council is prescribed by the UN Charter, according to which certain specified nations have permanent seats. No change or addition can be made to this without an amendment of the Charter. There is, therefore, no question of a seat being offered and India declining it. Our declared policy is to support the admission of all nations qualified for UN membership.''


http://www.thehindu.com/2005/09/28/stories/2005092800270900.htm:dance3:
 
but saying India didnt help PRC getting a permamnet seat is not true, if India didnt declined the UNSC seat in place of republic of china, there was no way a communist nation will be able to get into P5,
Soviet was the actual winner of war so they will be present. china did nothing to win the war, it was because of US because of which china got its freedom from Japan.
if Japan could have won the war, china still would be a colony of Japan. So say thanks to USA because of which you are where you are, weather economically or getting a UNSC. Winners of WW2 my arse. lol

I do not know. You need to present evidence as to India's help for the replacement of the seat of KMT of China with that of the CPC of China, both of which belong to China.

You also need to present evidence as to India's decline for its own permanent membership.

If this was really the case, I would be as angry as you are now.
 
Prime Minister Nehru has categorically denied any offer, formal or informal, having been received about a seat for India in the UN Security Council. He made this statement in reply to a short notice question in the Lok Sabha on September 27 by Dr. J.N. Parekh whether India had refused a seat informally offered to her in the Security Council.

Looks like India had never been offered the seat. The Indian version of history is probably for a national feel-good pastime.

I was very surprised when I heard he claim that India actually declined an offer for permanent seat? Crazy!
 
Without US we will being ruling Japan now. perhaps also ruling India,LOL. But those are assumptions, the fact we have to face is now US is ruling Japan and a bunch of idiots ruling India

lol very true, we fought an attrition war against Japan as we use to said 楚虽三户,亡秦必楚 we can fight Japanese to the last drop of blood. And we toke no time to deliver a crush blow to India in 1962 when we're in period of famine, if not because of US or Russia, Indians are speaking Chini now instead of using their formal colonial master language.
 
Yes sure, time will tell. :cheesy::cheesy:


Google it and you will know.
The great powers that were the victors of World War II— the Soviet Union (now represented by Russia), the United Kingdom, France, China (now represented by the People's Republic of China), and the United States—serve as the body's five permanent members.

I just did, and India fits nowhere in this definition . India was not even a country during the war. Do you mean your former master UK? in that case , yes. UK fought and bled, it well deserves a seat.
 
For India this is golden opportunity to put pressure on China on a broad range of issues.

PCA rulling is seen by many players as golden chance to put pressure on China.Japan in ECS. India-US-Japan in SCS.

The question is: will India be able to profit from it in any tangible manner?

Now that they have, in their Indian perspective, an NSG score to settle with China.
Remember... Modi is working towards his next election. So, 'standing up' to China is good for him and his party.

Will China budge or back down from the combined efforts of India-US-Japan axis? Is India underestimating China's national resolve? Does India or Japan have the power to push China without US support?

Hopefully, a peaceful solution can be found. The players are asking China to give up her sovereign territories. Can China afford this? Remember... if China gives in here she has to give in on many many fronts.

Peace is better than conflict.
 
For India this is golden opportunity to put pressure on China on a broad range of issues.

PCA rulling is seen by many players as golden chance to put pressure on China.Japan in ECS. India-US-Japan in SCS.

The question is: will India be able to profit from it in any tangible manner?

Now that they have, in their Indian perspective, an NSG score to settle with China.
Remember... Modi is working towards his next election. So, 'standing up' to China is good for him and his party.

Will China budge or back down from the combined efforts of India-US-Japan axis? Is India underestimating China's national resolve? Does India or Japan have the power to push China without US support?

Hopefully, a peaceful solution can be found. The players are asking China to give up her sovereign territories. Can China afford this? Remember... if China gives in here she has to give in on many many fronts.

Peace is better than conflict.

Someone needed to annoy China to the point that it drops its ridiculous passive foreign policy and military policy.

China needs to be pushed, in order to accelerate self development in all areas, especially military.
 
Someone needed to annoy China to the point that it drops its ridiculous passive foreign policy and military policy.

China needs to be pushed, in order to accelerate self development in all areas, especially military.

You are right. The Chinese word for crisis is = Danger + Opportunity.

In one sense if/when China can manage this crisis with Toaist wisdom.. it will finally be free to pursue its development goals. China has compromised on all her border disputes in the past. Now they cann't do this. Without SCS & ECS sovereignity, China will be boxed again.

China would have to break free. Hopefully, ASEAN realise that their freedom and future is with China... as was many centuries ago.
 
I just did, and India fits nowhere in this definition . India was not even a country during the war. Do you mean your former master UK? in that case , yes. UK fought and bled, it well deserves a seat.
No participation of India in WW2? OMG.
half of British armies was from India. Pity ur history knowledge.
 
China will never respect the U.S. over the South China Sea: Time
2016-07-11

The U.S. is one of the most vocal countries urging China to hew to international arbitration in the vital waterway. Beijing isn't impressed.

A great power refuses to play by international rules, declining to ratify a major U.N. convention to which more than 160 other countries are party. After years of complaints, the nation convinces the U.N. to tweak the treaty to many of its specifications. Yet even after those amendments, the great power’s legislature prioritizes protectionist sentiment over respect for global rule of law.

This renegade country, though, is not China, which has come under fire for saying it will flout an upcoming U.N. court decision on its territorial claims in the South China Sea. Instead, the longtime outlier is the U.S., one of the most vocal countries urging China to hew to the international order.

In 1982, after around a decade of wrangling, the U.N. hammered out a framework to guide global maritime affairs and ensure freedom of navigation. Called the U.N. Convention on the Law of the Seas (UNCLOS), the treaty covers everything from the rules of maritime commerce to the ways in which resource-rich seabeds can be divvied up between nations. In certain cases, international courts like the Permanent Court of Arbitration in the Hague, can rule in maritime disputes.

On July 12, that judicial body will decide on a lawsuit lodged in 2013 by the Philippines, one of six governments that claim territory in the contested South China Sea. At stake is whether Chinese-controlled rocks and reefs — many of which have been turned over the past couple years into military outposts through extensive reclamation — are eligible for so-called exclusive economic zones (EEZs) in the surrounding sea. These zones, which are defined by UNCLOS and can extend up to 200 nautical miles, give governments the right to all natural resources found in those waters. For all of Beijing’s dredging in the South China Sea, if the court rules that the atolls under Chinese control are not naturally formed islands fit for human habitation or economic life, China will lose international legal claim over much of the contested waterway.

Many legal experts expect the court to rule at least partly in favor of the Philippines. Yet China says it won’t abide by the Permanent Court of Arbitration’s ruling nor does Beijing even accept the U.N. tribunal’s authority over its South China Sea claims. Last month, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei reiterated China’s official position. “I again stress that the arbitration court has no jurisdiction in the case,” he said. “China does not accept any dispute resolution from a third party and does not accept any dispute resolution forced on China.”

But first back to history. Shortly after UNCLOS was unveiled in 1982, U.S. President Ronald Reagan refused to sign what was touted as the “constitution of the sea,” claiming the convention undermined U.S. sovereignty. In 1994, after UNCLOS was revised to take into consideration American worries about losing control of valuable underwater oil and natural-gas deposits, U.S. President Bill Clinton signed an updated UNCLOS agreement, although not the entire treaty. Yet even though multiple presidential Administrations — both Democrat and Republican — have since supported the convention, Republicans in the U.S. Senate have routinely scuttled efforts to ratify UNCLOS. Meanwhile, even landlocked countries like Mongolia, Burkina Faso and Bolivia have signed on to the treaty.

Washington’s outsider position undercuts its message as it urges China to respect global maritime norms. After all, China ratified UNCLOS in 1996, even if Beijing now says it rejects any judgment by the Permanent Court of Arbitration. In a speech in Washington earlier this month, retired Chinese top diplomat Dai Bingguo accused the U.S. of “heavy-handed intervention” in the South China Sea. “Accidents could happen,” said the still influential Chinese Communist Party official, “and the South China Sea might sink into chaos and so might the entirety of Asia.” Still, even as Beijing has launched a public-relations blitz ahead of the July 12 ruling, Chinese state media and diplomatic statements have not highlighted America’s AWOL status in UNCLOS. Perhaps critiquing the U.S. absence is harder when China itself is distancing itself from one of the treaty’s utilized tribunals.

It’s true that even if Congress hasn’t ratified UNCLOS, the U.S. Navy, which is the world’s largest, adheres to its principles. American top brass openly support U.S. ratification. “I think that in the 21st century our moral standing is affected by the fact that we are not a signatory to UNCLOS,” said Admiral Harry Harris, head of the U.S. Pacific Command, in testimony to the House Armed Services Committee earlier this year.

In a June speech at the U.S. Air Force Academy, U.S. President Barack Obama urged Congress to move ahead on UNCLOS. “If we’re truly concerned about China’s actions in the South China Sea,” he said in his commencement address, “the Senate should help strengthen our case by approving the Law of the Sea convention, as our military leaders have urged.” But ratifying the convention will require a two-thirds majority in the Senate, an all but impossibility particularly in this contentious election year. The U.S. Navy will continue to ply the high seas, acting as the world’s oceanic policeman by engaging in freedom-of-navigation exercises to ensure open trade routes. But American hypocrisy when it comes to maritime rule of law looks likely to endure.
 

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