China's defense machine eyes Europe instead of Russia

[no_name]

Or just make it a state policy to procure only domestic products for certain strategic fields.

 

[CardSharp]

I doubt RR would transfer engine tech to China. Remember back in the 1980's, during the Sino-West "honeymoon", RR refused to transfer Spey 205 single-crystal turbine tech to China that would boosted the thrust of Spey 202/WS-9 by at least 10~15%.
Snecma, OTOH, may just provide the breakthrough needed to make WS-10 reliable enough for single-engine ops.
But all these could be solved within reasonable time without foreign assistance, albeitly with greater investment in time & $$$.

Nevertheless, China NEEDS assistance with high-bypass turbofan for jet transports, if they want something working within the next 10 years.
Right now, Boeing & Airbus are profiting from the cross-Strait transit boom; whereas Chinese can only drool.

Investment and time but how else are you going to get your own research infrastructure and cultivate talent?

 

[CardSharp]

We can't know for sure what China will or will not buy from Europe once the embargo is lifted.

People need to remember how China paid billions of $$$ to France to buy nuclear reactors without ToT, and how the head of China National Nuclear Corp was later found to be well oiled by the French.

Once the embargo is lifted it's free game, political pressure or commercial bribery, whatever it takes to sell weapons. And China is far from immune to these things.

So overall I still think it's best if EU keeps the embargo.

Those Britishers are a sneaky bunch. They (BAE) do bribery and they do it well.

FRONTLINE: black money | PBS

 

[below_freezing]

We can't know for sure what China will or will not buy from Europe once the embargo is lifted.

People need to remember how China paid billions of $$$ to France to buy nuclear reactors without ToT, and how the head of China National Nuclear Corp was later found to be well oiled by the French.

Once the embargo is lifted it's free game, political pressure or commercial bribery, whatever it takes to sell weapons. And China is far from immune to these things.

So overall I still think it's best if EU keeps the embargo.

agreed, we have frequently bought systems inferior to what we've had before due to corruption, incompetent non-expert bureocrats and a strong lack of self confidence.

frequently, companies that procure mass laptops for their own use would buy hundreds of piece of sh*t overheating slow and expensive samsung laptops instead of cheap and efficient Thinkpads, because the stupid procurement girl loves korean drama.

 

[Akasa]

If EU lifts ban on China and every kind of equipment would be made available to China ,then China should go for their Fighter aircrafts like EF-2000 or Rafale,there may be a less chance for EF-2000 but Rafale will have good chance specially when we know french just run after dollars and Rafale is not making any sales for them ,also french has been guilty of selling few tech to China

By inducting western fighters will give China inside of their tech as well as will eliminate the edge of indian MRCA to some extent

China would have no need for EF2000 or Rafale since it already has much more advanced fighters inducted (like J-10B and J-11B, not to mention J-11B and J-15 are to be equipped with AESA). A twin-engine variant of the J-10B (called J-10C) is also reported to be under development.

China also has a handful of other 4.5++/5th-gen planes in late development or testing, such as J-20, J-16, JH-7B, and the "Snowy Owl".

 

[Mikethedyke]

lol. bitter Russians. We should send them some Vodka to calm them down =)

 

[CardSharp]

lol. bitter Russians. We should send them some Vodka to calm them down =)

Heh you just made the Slav pride parade's hit list.

 

[no_name]

They are not looking at whole weapon platform anymore I think, just parts of the systems where they felt there is something to be learned from.