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China is well known for its pirated DVDs and fake iPhones, but this "copycat culture" extends to architecture too - with whole towns sometimes replicated.

As you enter Thames Town, the honking and chaos of Chinese city life fall away.

There are no more street vendors selling steamed pork buns, and no more men hauling recyclables on tricycles.

The road starts to wind, and then, in the distance, you see what looks like a clock tower from a Cotswold village.

"It has this almost dreamlike quality of something European," says Tony Mackay, a British architect, and the master planner for the Thames Town housing scheme and the surrounding district of Songjiang.

When local officials hired Mackay in 2001, he found farms and ducks here.

Today, there are cobbled streets, pubs and half-timbered Tudor houses.

There's even a statue of Winston Churchill, and a medieval meeting hall that advertises chicken wings and beer in Chinese characters.

But Mackay is not happy. "It doesn't look quite right," he says. "It looks false."

Mackay says the architects who took on the designs for the buildings created a pastiche, throwing together different styles, and abandoning authenticity.

Some of the half-timbered houses are six storeys high, for example, and the windows on the church just don't look right, he says.

"The proportions are wrong. The use of the different stones is all wrong. It would never be used like that in the genuine English church," he says.

The houses in Thames Town were largely bought as investment properties, so the town has always been quiet. It is only just beginning to develop a real sense of life and community.

To Mackay, the place looks like a film set. In fact, one Western blogger said it reminded him of the film, The Truman Show.


But Fan Yu Zhe couldn't care less.

I found Fan and his bride Sun Qi Yao looking deeply into each other's eyes as a photo assistant showered them with flower petals.

Thames Town is crawling with young couples who want to have their wedding photos taken here.

"I love European football, so I'm very interested in things from Europe," says Fan.


"I really hope I can visit the real Thames River one day, sit along the banks, drink a cup of coffee and enjoy the British sunshine." Nearby, a woman named Zhang Li snacks on tangerines and plays cards with her mother and aunt.

Zhang says she has come here on her day off because Chinese towns are so crowded and commercial, but here it's green and pleasant. And as an office administrator, she can't afford to travel to England. "Usually if you want to see foreign buildings, you have to go abroad," says Zhang. "But if we import them to China, people can save money while experiencing foreign-style architecture."

There's plenty of that in China.

Thames Town was built as part of Shanghai's "One City, Nine Towns" scheme, which saw a cluster of satellite towns built around the city, each in a different international style. Elsewhere in China, there is a replica Eiffel Tower, a mock Tower Bridge - even a recreation of Stonehenge. And last year, a replica of the entire Austrian alpine village of Hallstatt sprung up in the province of Guangdong. The original is a Unesco World Heritage site. These are all examples of China's craze for what Bianca Bosker, author of Original Copies: Architectural Mimicry in Contemporary China, calls "duplitecture".

Of course, it's not just the Chinese who love to copy. A century and a half ago, the rapidly progressing United States was a hub of counterfeiting and copying and it too has a host of more recent architectural replicas, including country pavilions in Epcot in Florida, and plenty of examples in Las Vegas.

But according to Bosker, while many Westerners think of knock-off architecture as kitsch and bizarre, many in China find it truly lovely.


Ben Goodger, IP expert, Edwards *Wildman:

"China is the world centre for counterfeiting. Whatever can make a quick buck - mobile phones, pirated DVDs, fake watches, jewellery, branded clothing and so on.

There is a very different starting point. In China, to copy something is to show deep respect. Traditional society in China is very hierarchical. You have the masters of their art, and a lot of artists saw copying one of the masters - as exactly as possible - as being the highest thing they could do, because the master was the great genius.

"The idea of the work the artist creates being an extension of his individual personality - and therefore that to take that is not only unimaginative, but in some way immoral - is very much a typically Western idea. The idea of it being cheating in that sense doesn't have much depth in China.

"I'm not saying they are innocent, but there is this cultural attitude, that copying is a sign of respect."

Almost every major city in China has a residential suburb where people live in replica mansions, and as many as two-thirds of the properties for sale with some estate agents are Western-style, she says. Bosker says that's partly because China has a different attitude towards copying.

"The culture of copy in China is very different from what we find in the West, where there's a sense that copying is something incredibly taboo, and to be avoided at all costs." In China, she says, mimicry is seen as "a form of mastery", and is therefore not frowned upon - but encouraged.

This culture of copying has deep historical roots. As China's first emperor, Qin Shi Huang - of terracotta army fame - conquered rival kingdoms in the 3rd Century BC, he built a replica of each of their palaces within his own capital city.

Fast forward to today and the Chinese government often bankrolls major copycat projects. It's a way of flexing its muscles, says Bosker. "China is, in a very symbolic way, showing off its ability to rearrange the cosmos, to sort of own the greatest hits of the West."

It's no accident, says Bosker, that the White House - the ultimate symbol of US power - is one of the most copied buildings in China.

But not all Chinese people are supportive of this copycat architecture. "I don't like them at all," says Tong Ming, a Shanghai-based architect. China has its own rich architectural heritage, says Tong, like the Classical Gardens of Suzhou, the Forbidden City in Beijing, and the country's traditional wooden buildings.

"I think it is quite a specific period of time - people cannot get accustomed to changing times. "So it's quite understandable that they would follow something that they admire, or are familiar with from the mass media," says Tong. "People want something with a quite clear identity. They couldn't find exactly what next, so they turn to something they are familiar with."

Tong thinks, in time, Chinese architecture will find its own path once again.

In the meantime, some new housing developments are creating Western-style architecture "with a Chinese skin", says Bosker - incorporating a Chinese garden layout, for example, or feng shui principles.

British architect Tony Mackay thinks China's imitation towns are a fad - a by-product of China's desire to connect with the world after decades of relative isolation - but he sees a new trend emerging. "The younger generations here they don't want old-fashioned style, they want modernism. They want something new, which connects to their gear, their iPads, and their modern lifestyle," he says.

One example is the sleek, ultra-modern, prestige Wangjing SOHO project in Beijing, by British-Iraqi architect Zaha Hadid. There's just one problem. A suspiciously similar structure is being built in the city of Chongqing.

According to one industry publication, the alleged copy may be finished before the original.

Source: BBC News - Why China loves to build copycat towns
 
copying is also an art... its considered negative in west but chinese like it.
 
There is a very different starting point. In China, to copy something is to show deep respect. Traditional society in China is very hierarchical. You have the masters of their art, and a lot of artists saw copying one of the masters - as exactly as possible - as being the highest thing they could do, because the master was the great genius.

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/chines...na-makes-copies-everything.html#ixzz2YBK0LmnO

This is worst kind of explanation one can find for patent law violation, A guy sitting in west works hard to develop some thing and these guys steal by hacking and try to spoil the earnings by selling it cheap. Quality wise also the products are hazardous.

:sick:
 
This is worst kind of explanation one can find for patent law violation, A guy sitting in west works hard to develop some thing and these guys steal by hacking and try to spoil the earnings by selling it cheap. Quality wise also the products are hazardous.

:sick:

It's about time the West paid the Chinese several thousand years worth of royalties for using the compass and gunpowder, both of which happen to be exclusive Chinese inventions. The patent laws are a unilateral farce through which the West reinforces its corporate monopolies over Eastern markets and quashes regional growth in a bid to eradicate competition and extort the financial resources of developing nations.
 
One example is the sleek, ultra-modern, prestige Wangjing SOHO project in Beijing, by British-Iraqi architect Zaha Hadid. There's just one problem. A suspiciously similar structure is being built in the city of Chongqing.

According to one industry publication, the alleged copy may be finished before the original.

That would be embarrassing :woot:
 
Since this is a defence forum, all the most fundamental aspects of defence were invented in China, such as Guns/Firearms, Explosives, Rockets/Missiles, Artillery, etc.

Yet every Army in the entire world uses these things. Do they pay us royalty? No.

Good luck trying to run an Army without firearms, explosives or rockets of any kind. Might as well fight with Bananas in that case.
 
It's about time the West paid the Chinese several thousand years worth of royalties for using the compass and gunpowder, both of which happen to be exclusive Chinese inventions. The patent laws are a unilateral farce through which the West reinforces its corporate monopolies over Eastern markets and quashes regional growth in a bid to eradicate competition and extort the financial resources of developing nations.

I can also claim every thing and every body who uses number '0' these days since we are the inventors of it and also other ancient Indian scientific things.

I am talking about the author and his explanation, which is not correct at all.
 
I can also claim every thing and every body who uses number '0' these days since we are the inventors of it and also other ancient Indian scientific things.

I am talking about the author and his explanation, which is not correct at all.

There we go again...


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Since this is a defence forum, all the most fundamental defence equipment was invented in China, such as Guns/Firearms, Explosives, Rockets/Missiles, Artillery, etc.

Yet every Army in the entire world uses these things. Do they pay us royalty? No.

Good luck trying to run an Army without firearms, explosives or rockets of any kind. Might as well fight with Bananas in that case.

Those inventions are of ancient times, I doubt your claims though since Chinese always exaggerate themselves.

Todays world runs on modern laws. If you want to go back to that time leave Internet, T.V, flight etc.... Oh I forgot, If you leave all the western inventions, there is no life at all ....... :lol::lol::lol:
 
Since this is a defence forum, all the most fundamental defence equipment was invented in China, such as Guns/Firearms, Explosives, Rockets/Missiles, Artillery, etc.

Yet every Army in the entire world uses these things. Do they pay us royalty? No.

Good luck trying to run an Army without firearms, explosives or rockets of any kind. Might as well fight with Bananas in that case.
that predates IP laws, there were so many inventions in other countries too..
if today you make something unique and all others copy, how would you feel, cheated right?
 
I can also claim every thing and every body who uses number '0' these days since we are the inventors of it and also other ancient Indian scientific things.

I am talking about the author and his explanation, which is not correct at all.

Indians did not invent the number zero, it was already being used by the Mesopotamians, who were the very first human civilization.

And this is how you write zero in Chinese:

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Don't tell me you invented that as well.
 
Indians did not invent the number zero, it was already being used by the Mesopotamians, who were the very first human civilization.

And this is how you write zero in Chinese:

zero.gif


Don't tell me you invented that as well.

you are just sidestepping the issue, there were no copyright laws then. Even now, lot of inventions are freely distributed, and any country can use it.
 
that predates IP laws, there were so many inventions in other countries too..
if today you make something unique and all others copy, how would you feel, cheated right?

you are just sidestepping the issue, there were no copyright laws then. Even now, lot of inventions are freely distributed, and any country can use it.

So it's not a question of right and wrong, it's just a question of legal technicalities (which may or may not be enforced depending where you are)?

The West stole our inventions, like firearms/explosives/compass etc. and used them to colonize and enslave half the world.

They used them on China and India too, with horrifying results.

As for any complaints about modern copyright infringement, I believe that IP laws should be respected, however even if not... at least we are not using their own inventions to kill and enslave the people who invented it.
 
Those inventions are of ancient times, I doubt your claims though since Chinese always exaggerate themselves.

Todays world runs on modern laws. If you want to go back to that time leave Internet, T.V, flight etc.... Oh I forgot, If you leave all the western inventions, there is no life at all ....... :lol::lol::lol:

india don't counterfeit not becoz you don't want to is it becoz you don't have the brain to do it:laughcry:
 
So it's not a question of right and wrong, it's just a question of legal technicalities (which may or may not be enforced depending where you are)?

The West stole our inventions, like firearms/explosives/compass etc. and used them to colonize and enslave half the world.

They used them on China and India too, with horrifying results.

As for any complaints about modern copyright infringement, I believe that IP laws should be respected, however even if they are not being, at least we are not using their own inventions to kill and enslave the people who invented it.

You benefit as much from western invention as they did from your ancient knowledge. Lot of your recent defence equipment rely on their invention.
Its not legal technicality, its immoral to sign and say I will respect and wont copy your ideas for some years to encourage new ideas.. but then copy it.
Unless its some real public necessity, you should keep your words.

I would say the same if somebody steals a chinese design and copies and sells as own. (some indian kid did it)
 
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