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China's Chang'e-4 probe soft-lands on moon's far side - Xinhua

In pics: topographical camera installed on Chang'e-4 probe
Source: Xinhua| 2019-01-18 15:43:51|Editor: Yamei

Staff members of Institute of Optics and Electronics of the Chinese Academy of Sciences examine the topographical camera installed on the lander of the Chang'e-4 probe in Chengdu, southwest China's Sichuan Province, Jan. 17, 2019. The topographical camera installed on the lander of the Chang'e-4 probe is responsible for both taking colorful high-resolution images on the lunar surface and monitoring the lunar rover Yutu-2. China's Chang'e-4 lunar probe, comprising a lander and a rover, landed on the far side of the moon on Jan. 3, 2019. (Xinhua/Liu Kun)

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The topographic camera is not designed to survive the cold lunar night. Just like the cotton plant, the camera would "die" after completing the job of taking a panoramic picture of the landing site.
 
NASA and China collaborate on Moon exploration | AFP.com
18 JAN 2019

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Observations gathered from the collaboration could help future missions to the Moon, pictured over Los Angeles in January 2018

The space agencies of the United States and China are coordinating efforts on Moon exploration, NASA said Friday, as it navigates a strict legal framework aimed at protecting national security and preventing technology transfer to China.

"With the required approval from Congress, NASA has been in discussions with China to explore the possibility of observing a signature of the landing plume of their lunar lander, Chang'e 4, using our @NASAMoon spacecraft's instrument," NASA's associate administrator for the science mission directorate, Thomas Zurbuchen, wrote on Twitter.

Zurbuchen's tweet confirmed a similar statement made Monday by the deputy chief commander of China Lunar Exploration Program, Wu Yanhua.

NASA shared information from a US satellite while China told the Americans about the latitude, longitude and time of the landing "in a timely manner," he said.

The hope was that NASA's Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO) could observe the historic touchdown of the Chinese lander on January 3.

NASA provided the planned orbit path of LRO to China, but it turned out the spacecraft was not in the right place at the right time.

"For a number of reasons, NASA was not able to phase LRO's orbit to be at the optimal location during the landing, however NASA was still interested in possibly detecting the plume well after the landing," the agency said in a statement.

"Science gathered about how lunar dust is ejected upwards during a spacecraft's landing could inform future missions and how they arrive on the lunar surface."

Such observations could help astronauts prepare for future missions to the Moon.

NASA's lunar orbiter will pass over the Chang'e 4 landing site on January 31 and will snap pictures, as it did for the Chang'e 3 in 2013.

The agency said significant findings resulting from the cooperation would be shared with the global research community in February at a United Nations space gathering in Austria.

- Risk of 'technology transfer' -

Since 2011, the US Congress has barred NASA or the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy from using federal funds "to develop, design, plan, promulgate, implement or execute a bilateral policy, program, order, or contract of any kind to participate, collaborate, or coordinate bilaterally in any way with China or any Chinese-owned company."

Exceptions are possible, but NASA must convince Congress and the FBI that the activity would "pose no risk of resulting in the transfer of technology, data, or other information with national security or economic security implications to China or a Chinese-owned company."

The clause was inserted in a US spending bill after a wave of cyber-attacks that was traced to sources in China.

NASA said in its Friday statement that "all NASA data associated with this activity are publicly available," and that NASA's cooperation with China "is transparent, reciprocal and mutually beneficial."

Sino-US cooperation could extend beyond the current lunar project, according to Wu Weiren, chief designer of China's Lunar Exploration Program.

In an interview broadcast by state television CCTV on Sunday, he said NASA scientists had discussed a possible collaboration at an international conference "a few years ago," and that US scientists had asked to extend the lifespan of China's Queqiao relay satellite from three to five years to facilitate the planning of an American moon mission.

And why?

"Later, they said, feeling somewhat embarrassed, that they wanted to land on the far side of the moon too, so if we let (our relay satellite) operate longer they can also use it," he said.

The satellite in question aids in communications with a lander on the far side of the Moon.

NASA scientists had also discussed possibly placing a beacon on the Chang'e 4 probe, he added.

"If we put a beacon there, they also know where to land. I told them our Chang'e 4 can be used as a beacon for you in future," Wu said.

However the US restrictions "might be a much higher barrier to overcome" in ambitious cooperation projects such as a lunar research base that "might involve sharing of technological information," said Henry Hertzfeld, director of the Space Policy Institute at George Washington University.
 
Lol, another Freudian slip that US never went to the moon.

Western BS is unraveling faster than expected.
They don't have the capability to go back to the moon anymore. Anyway the previous technology was too primitive compared to todays digitized landers. They have to start from scratch again.
 
They don't have the capability to go back to the moon anymore. Anyway the previous technology was too primitive compared to todays digitized landers. They have to start from scratch again.
Some NASA scientists said they lost the blue prints to the Apollo lander, some accidentally said "if we go to the moon in the future....", but best quote was some NASA scientists said 1960s technology was better than year 2000 technology. That's the reason they can't go back to the moon.
Now if you believe that, maybe I can sell people my stool. It cures cancer.

:lol:
 
Some NASA scientists said they lost the blue prints to the Apollo lander, some accidentally said "if we go to the moon in the future....", but best quote was some NASA scientists said 1960s technology was better than year 2000 technology. That's the reason they can't go back to the moon.
Now if you believe that, maybe I can sell people my stool. It cures cancer.

:lol:
I can't deny the fact that what they achieved was monumental and remarkable but comparing 1960s technology to the latest digital technology is absurd. Except for their Saturn engine, I reckon there is nothing useful for today's endeavor.

They even lost the original footage of the first landing. Even if they had the blueprints, the industrial complex to produce the components are long gone.
 
I can't deny the fact that what they achieved was monumental and remarkable but comparing 1960s technology to the latest digital technology is absurd. Except for their Saturn engine, I reckon there is nothing useful for today's endeavor.

They even lost the original footage of the first landing. Even if they had the blueprints, the industrial complex to produce the components are long gone.
It's Bs. How the **** you lose the most important blue print in one of the greatest feat in human history? Did they write it on a back of a paper napkin and left it on a cafeteria table,? Lol. Do a search for fake moon landing and the evidence is so overwhelming and convincing.
For the record, the cheapest cellphone has more computing power than the Apollo. Why don't they use that technology and get back on the moon? Once China go to the moon they will prove the American fraud. That's what America is afraid of and will do everything to make sure it won't happen or they will try to get to the moon before any other country to hide the 60s fake moon landing
 
It's Bs. How the **** you lose the most important blue print in one of the greatest feat in human history? Did they write it on a back of a paper napkin and left it on a cafeteria table,? Lol. Do a search for fake moon landing and the evidence is so overwhelming and convincing.
For the record, the cheapest cellphone has more computing power than the Apollo. Why don't they use that technology and get back on the moon? Once China go to the moon they will prove the American fraud. That's what America is afraid of and will do everything to make sure it won't happen or they will try to get to the moon before any other country to hide the 60s fake moon landing
I had my suspicions too but hey let's see when we get there. I see them getting desperate to beat us to the moon. Pretty desperate for someone who have been there.
 
I had my suspicions too but hey let's see when we get there. I see them getting desperate to beat us to the moon. Pretty desperate for someone who have been there.
If US or Europe get there first, than it's near impossible to prove it. They can lie and say yes, we found reminants of the first moon landing there. I'm hoping China get there first and expose biggest American fraud. That would greatly damage their prestige and would lead Harmotia Antidote, Viva Viet and F-22 Raptor to commit suicide live on Facebook.
 
If US or Europe get there first, than it's near impossible to prove it. They can lie and say yes, we found reminants of the first moon landing there. I'm hoping China get there first and expose biggest American fraud. That would greatly damage their prestige and would lead Harmotia Antidote, Viva Viet and F-22 Raptor to commit suicide live on Facebook.
If it's true, they would go braindead. But you can't rule out a country who conned Hitler by using balloons. They are the masters of showmanship.
 
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Should this trend be confirmed, then this is really the beginning of the China Century or Pax Sinica, that will more and more likely supersede the 20th century's Pax Americana. With its current first world reserve of rare earth mineral, China could definitely put and end to the U.S. hegemony by securing the access to the North Korean rare earth that even surpass the Chinese's by tenfold. Having exhausted their rare earth mineral ore reserve during the Cold War, both the U.S.S.R. and the U.S. can no longer sustain the same pace in the hightech race with China, in the field of supercomputers, semiconductor microchips, lasers, smartphones, radars, missiles, particle accelerators, satellites, etc.. Today, China is even driving a final nail into the U.S. Dystopian Empire's coffin, by landing the Chang'e-4 lunar rover in the South Pole-Aitken Basin, the largest, deepest and oldest known crater in the solar system. Thus the best place to find rare earth mineral. The Chinese Yutu-2 lunar rover will be the first to probe it with ground-penetrating radar and measure its mineral composition with an infrared spectrometer. If rare earth mineral is present, China might find it, before any large scale industrial extraction could begin by 2030, with the first Chinese moon base.

:enjoy:



Hurry-up Mr. Xi Jinping, for H.E. Kim Jong Un is not going to remain a passive onlooker, but will clean sweep all the lunar rare earth mineral ore reserve for the DPRK!

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▲ Flashforward: Pyongyang No. 1 Senior-middle School, October 2017.

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▲ Flashforward: Pyongyang Munsu water Park, June 2017.

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▲ All the lunar rare earth mineral reserve belongs to North Korea!

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▲ Then...

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▲ And now...

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▲ One less hurdle: Never play Kim Jong Un.


:enjoy:
 
It's Bs. How the **** you lose the most important blue print in one of the greatest feat in human history? Did they write it on a back of a paper napkin and left it on a cafeteria table,? Lol. Do a search for fake moon landing and the evidence is so overwhelming and convincing.
For the record, the cheapest cellphone has more computing power than the Apollo. Why don't they use that technology and get back on the moon? Once China go to the moon they will prove the American fraud. That's what America is afraid of and will do everything to make sure it won't happen or they will try to get to the moon before any other country to hide the 60s fake moon landing

In my honest opinion, it is profoundly stupid to assert that the Apollo program was a hoax. We are talking about flat-earth, tin-foil hat levels of stupid here. Don't take this as a personal slight, I'm attacking the argument, not the person.

The hilarious part though is that it is much easier to prove the landings happened than that they were an elaborate hoax between the Soviet and US Governments to deceive the world for God knows why.
 
Any numerologists here? Do U guys get the HUGE EASTER EGG seen here?

"The Chang'e 4 spacecraft set down between the two arrows at 45.457°S, 177.589°E, plus or minus 20 meters."​

So Chang'e 4 landed at 45.5S 177.6E...

Putting on our numerologist vision... There is a method in numerology called Pythagorean math, where you reduced numbers by adding them together:

177.6E = 77.7
45.5S = 9.5 = 14 (7x2)

I high doubt China chose this coordinate arbitrarily...

Chang'e 4 is the lucky trip of the 7's!!!
 

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