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China's box office certain to overtake US as takings up 50% in 2016's first quarter

Would not write off completely all those B-movie or indie that quick....

It would be a lot cheaper to produce a movie in China than in America. The location is cheaper, the actors are cheaper and the profit margin would quite large as oppose to the American Production.

All you need is a good script and hitting the right note to the audience, and you got yourselves a blockbuster.

We'll certainly if the lower cost is there that will attract attention. I can see some US movie company opening a company in China to save money and get around the foreign film limit.

But as you alluded to before with the proliferation of big screen tvs, streaming media, and a quick to cable jump by movies...the US theater business has been stagnant for well over a decade (I've been to the theater twice in 10 years). It's pretty surprising the US is even at $10B. To woo customers out of their comfy living rooms they have had to resort to big cushy leather reclining reserved numbered seating, specialty food, and beer...sometimes delivered to your seat.

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Well I guess it certainly is better than the old days of simple fold up/down seats.

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these are becoming a distant memory...
 
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We'll certainly if the lower cost is there that will attract attention. I can see some US movie company opening a company in China to save money and get around the foreign film limit.

But as you alluded to before with the proliferation of big screen tvs, streaming media, and a quick to cable jump by movies...the US theater business has been stagnant for well over a decade (I've been to the theater twice in 10 years). It's pretty surprising the US is even at $10B. To woo customers out of their comfy living rooms they have had to resort to big cushy leather reclining reserved numbered seating, specialty food, and beer...sometimes delivered to your seat.

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Well I guess it certainly is better than the old days of simple fold up/down seats.

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these are becoming a distant memory...

The problem is too easy o download these day, and the theatre are charging so damn much, so people losing their interest to go to the theatre.

For movie production, you either need to generate enough interest or you trim your budget so that you can survive the game, of course not every other movie are going to be a big blockbuster and earn multi- hundred million or even billions of dollars, but if you target your audience carefully and have a sound budget, you can still survive in Hollywood. And that means China would be a nice place to start, big market, low expenses. Probably the only problem is the government.
 
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The problem is too easy o download these day, and the theatre are charging so damn much, so people losing their interest to go to the theatre.

Yep! Why should a family of 4 spend about $10*4=$40 (or more like $15*4=$60) when they could have that same movie On-Demand at home for far less. Press a button on the remote and there it is on your big screen tv.
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Why go to the theater when you basically already have one at home...whenever you want...even in 3D.
This is something tough for theaters to compete against.

http://flavorwire.com/497211/movieg...-is-the-death-of-the-movie-theater-inevitable
Moviegoing Hit a 20-Year Low in 2014. Is the Death of the Movie Theater Inevitable?
"In those first four days of online release, The Interview made $15 million. In the same period, it made $2.8 million in theaters — and even factoring in the limited number of screens showing it (331, about a tenth of initial, wide-release projections), the film’s per-screen average was equally unimpressive (about $5K/screen, or 13th place for the weekend). Even if you factor in the “safety concerns” that prompted its initial ousting from the major chains, the message was clear here: given the choice between seeing a major, well publicized (too well, ultimately!) studio release in a theater or in the comfort of their own home, the vast majority of moviegoers said, “Home, please.” It’s a controllable environment, and a more comfortable one — and it’s cheaper by a mile. The major theater chains know this, and they’re terrified of it."

March 2015

What's beyond mind-boggling is how even with the death of the movie theater being almost inevitable...and with only 1/4 of the population of China...we are STILL ahead of them! WTF???

For movie production, you either need to generate enough interest or you trim your budget so that you can survive the game, of course not every other movie are going to be a big blockbuster and earn multi- hundred million or even billions of dollars, but if you target your audience carefully and have a sound budget, you can still survive in Hollywood. And that means China would be a nice place to start, big market, low expenses. Probably the only problem is the government.

A more interesting thought is when will all movies be completely computer generated due to a reasonable price point. No actors on screen. You change characters ethnicity to suit the market. You'd never be able to tell which country made it. Sort of like saturday morning cartoons...who knows where they were made (Japan, Canada, Europe?)
 
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Yep! Why should a family of 4 spend about $10*4=$40 (or more like $15*4=$60) when they could have that same movie On-Demand at home for far less. Press a button on the remote and there it is on your big screen tv.
4986.jpg

Why go to the theater when you basically already have one at home...whenever you want...even in 3D.
This is something tough for theaters to compete against.

http://flavorwire.com/497211/movieg...-is-the-death-of-the-movie-theater-inevitable
Moviegoing Hit a 20-Year Low in 2014. Is the Death of the Movie Theater Inevitable?
"In those first four days of online release, The Interview made $15 million. In the same period, it made $2.8 million in theaters — and even factoring in the limited number of screens showing it (331, about a tenth of initial, wide-release projections), the film’s per-screen average was equally unimpressive (about $5K/screen, or 13th place for the weekend). Even if you factor in the “safety concerns” that prompted its initial ousting from the major chains, the message was clear here: given the choice between seeing a major, well publicized (too well, ultimately!) studio release in a theater or in the comfort of their own home, the vast majority of moviegoers said, “Home, please.” It’s a controllable environment, and a more comfortable one — and it’s cheaper by a mile. The major theater chains know this, and they’re terrified of it."

March 2015

What's beyond mind-boggling is how even with the death of the movie theater being almost inevitable...and with only 1/4 of the population of China...we are STILL ahead of them! WTF???



A more interesting thought is when will all movies be completely computer generated due to a reasonable price point. No actors on screen. You change characters ethnicity to suit the market. You'd never be able to tell which country made it. Sort of like saturday morning cartoons...who knows where they were made (Japan, Canada, Europe?)

Indeed, it's quite stupid to pay 40+ dollars in cinema while you can simply wait a few months and get it on DVD with half the cost. And you don't need to endure the unpleasantness with other in the cinema and have your own screen with the comfort of your own home.

I guess the reason why US is ahead is because of the "Hype" and "Togetherness" in contrast to people in China goes to the movie for the movie itself. And we spend and are willing to spend on that bit whenever some movie, either they are household name, or simply hyped up by the critics. Chinese are not willing to do that, again, they go to the cinema simply to watch a movie, it make no different for them if they are watching them at home, or in cinema.

And about the CG movie. I hated those, people tend to use too much CG these day to cut corner and to save money. CG is good only when you are not expecting it, not when you saw the whole movie is based on CG.......Yeah, it save you heaps of money, but it negate the point of making a movie, it would probably wiser if you go make animation if saving money is that important lol
 
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Indeed, it's quite stupid to pay 40+ dollars in cinema while you can simply wait a few months and get it on DVD with half the cost. And you don't need to endure the unpleasantness with other in the cinema and have your own screen with the comfort of your own home.

I guess the reason why US is ahead is because of the "Hype" and "Togetherness" in contrast to people in China goes to the movie for the movie itself. And we spend and are willing to spend on that bit whenever some movie, either they are household name, or simply hyped up by the critics. Chinese are not willing to do that, again, they go to the cinema simply to watch a movie, it make no different for them if they are watching them at home, or in cinema.

And about the CG movie. I hated those, people tend to use too much CG these day to cut corner and to save money. CG is good only when you are not expecting it, not when you saw the whole movie is based on CG.......Yeah, it save you heaps of money, but it negate the point of making a movie, it would probably wiser if you go make animation if saving money is that important lol

Even Blu-ray and DVDs are on the same "out" route as CD music.
I figured a good test would be "Force Awakens". Right now I can pick up my remote and within 10 seconds outright purchase it using FIOS On-Demand for $21.99 (most movies allow you a 24 hour rental too for even less) and have it start up instantly on my tv in the comfort of my home.

Here's a web page confirming the price.
https://www.verizon.com/Ondemand/Mo...kens-plus-Bonus-Material/VUBM0000000014449101

I guess the reason why US is ahead is because of the "Hype" and "Togetherness" in contrast to people in China goes to the movie for the movie itself. And we spend and are willing to spend on that bit whenever some movie, either they are household name, or simply hyped up by the critics. Chinese are not willing to do that, again, they go to the cinema simply to watch a movie, it make no different for them if they are watching them at home, or in cinema.

Well you have more insights than I do. But the US tends to have advances that brings things into your living space at home to achieve a wider audience (eg. big arcade games units moved to consoles for more marketshare...video arcade centers (other than the under 10 yr old crowd at Chuck-E-Cheeze) in the US are now long dead...not in China though)
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The death of the video arcade center. Play at home with a console...next up on the death list...theaters/cinemas.

And about the CG movie. I hated those, people tend to use too much CG these day to cut corner and to save money. CG is good only when you are not expecting it, not when you saw the whole movie is based on CG.......Yeah, it save you heaps of money, but it negate the point of making a movie, it would probably wiser if you go make animation if saving money is that important lol

Computer graphics (in the future) will advance so far that you will have a hard time determining if it is real or fake. A company will setup cameras and laser measurers to do a super high definition capture of an environment and then put it all into bytes. You then as a director can edit the environment easily if there is something you don't like. Some building should be smaller...some lightpost should be moved...etc.

Right now it is not that great...but in the future..
 
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Indeed, it's quite stupid to pay 40+ dollars in cinema while you can simply wait a few months and get it on DVD with half the cost. And you don't need to endure the unpleasantness with other in the cinema and have your own screen with the comfort of your own home.

I guess the reason why US is ahead is because of the "Hype" and "Togetherness" in contrast to people in China goes to the movie for the movie itself. And we spend and are willing to spend on that bit whenever some movie, either they are household name, or simply hyped up by the critics. Chinese are not willing to do that, again, they go to the cinema simply to watch a movie, it make no different for them if they are watching them at home, or in cinema.

And about the CG movie. I hated those, people tend to use too much CG these day to cut corner and to save money. CG is good only when you are not expecting it, not when you saw the whole movie is based on CG.......Yeah, it save you heaps of money, but it negate the point of making a movie, it would probably wiser if you go make animation if saving money is that important lol

Force Awakens is now $5.99 on Verizon Fios On-Demand for a 24hour window.
Now I can watch it with the kids.

Edit: All done!
 
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Force Awakens is now $5.99 on Verizon Fios On-Demand for a 24hour window.
Now I can watch it with the kids.

Edit: All done!

Yeah, they got cheap really quick, but I am an outlaw and I simply download them online :) lol
 
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If sustained, China would make more than $10bn in 2016, closing in on the US 2015 total of $11bn. .

Doesn't look like this is going to happen.

The US is over $10B.

Not sure if China has passed $7B yet. You may only be up slightly from last year's $6.7B.

Still amazed the US is ahead as watching movies in a theater is slipping in popularity.
 
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http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/china-box-office-flatlines-2016-957831

China Box Office Flatlines in 2016

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Courtesy of Sony Pictures
Stephen Chow's 'The Mermaid' earned $526.8 million in China in February, before the market began to soften.
After expanding 48 percent to $6.78 billion in 2015, it is projected to grow just 4.5 percent this year.

The year began with projections that China was on the verge of becoming the world's largest movie market, but 2016 might end up being remembered as the year the country's film sector fell back to earth.

For over a decade, China's box office has expanded at least twice as fast as the country's overall economy — from 2003 to 2015, year-over-year growth averaged 35 percent or more, according to state media regulators. The Chinese market's huge performance in 2015 — box-office revenue grew 48 percent to $6.78 billion — and an even bigger first quarter this year (50 percent growth; the territory's first half-billion-dollar movie, Stephen Chow's The Mermaid), left analysts hurrying to bump their forecasts of China's ascendance to early 2017.

But the second quarter delivered a surprising correction: a 4.6 percent year-on-year decline, the territory's first full-quarter slide in half a decade. And the downward trend has only deepened in the second half of the year. From July 1 to Dec. 15, China's box office contracted 10.5 percent compared with the same period in 2015, according to Beijing-based box-office monitor Ent Group.

Thanks to the huge first quarter, box office for the year so far — Jan. 1 to Dec. 15 — is still up 5 percent. But the remaining two weeks could erode that bulwark a little further.

Legendary Entertainment's Matt Damon-starring co-production The Great Wall has injected some much needed energy into the marketplace, opening to $67.4 million last weekend. Local fantasy adventure Mojin: The Lost Legend, however, earned even more during roughly the same window last year. That film debuted to $92 million and went on to earn $255.7 million — a total The Great Wall won't match.

Factoring in the remaining releases of 2016, Ent Group forecasts that China's full-year 2016 growth rate will land at 4.5 percent — way below the 30 percent China's media regulators had targeted.

The forces behind the slowdown have been a regular subject of debate — and hand-wringing — throughout the year. Most industry observers converge around a combination of factors: weaker local films, a crackdown on box-office fraud, cutbacks in last year's generous ticket subsidies from online platforms trying to build market share, overall weakness in the Chinese economy and increased consumer discernment among China's new moviegoers (for a more detailed look at the causes of the slowdown, see here).

Hoping to escape the ignominy of a full-year decline — and the political heat that would come with it — China's regulators turned to Hollywood for help late in the year.

First, they relaxed their usual blackout on foreign-film imports during the summer blockbuster season. For years, regulators have boosted local films by keeping Hollywood imports out of the market during most of July and August. This year, several Hollywood titles were allowed in — Paramount's Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Out of the Shadows on July 2, Warner Bros.' The Legend of Tarzan on July 19, and Universal's The Secret Life of Pets on Aug. 2.

Even more striking, in late fall, officials discreetly loosened their infamous quota on foreign film imports. Under the terms of a trade deal negotiated in 2012, foreign studios usually can release just 34 films in China each year (on revenue-sharing terms). But regulators were wiling to let this lever go rather than countenance the threat of a full-year decline. By mid-November it was clear that at least 38 foreign titles would be brought in, with Warner Bros.' Sully and 20th Century Fox's Miss Peregrine’s Home for Peculiar Children scoring early December dates, along with Japan's anime smash hit Your Name. In past years, December was reserved as a local-movie-only blackout period.

A spokesperson for China's film bureau denied to local media that the quota had been breached, saying that the additional titles were "cultural exchange projects." Insiders describe this characterization as a face-saving exercise — however it was described, more movies were brought in.

Hollywood's year in China has been slightly rosier than the local industry's as a whole. The first half of 2016 seemed to spell trouble — imported films saw only 5 percent growth year-on-year. But thanks to the lighter hand taken by regulators, the second half has improved. Revenue from imported titles — most of which are U.S. studio films — is up 18.9 percent from July 1 to Dec. 15. Imported titles also have claimed 43.5 percent market share at the Chinese box office thus far (Jan. 1 to Dec. 15), up from 38.4 percent in 2015.

China's year-end box office total is usually released on Jan. 1. This year's tally will be met with less fanfare, and more scrutiny.
 
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Another sector where China will surpass america! Future truly belongs to China! :china:

Not this year. Sales are only up 4.5%. They need to be up over 50% to pass the US.
With over 4+ times the population China should have passed the US long ago.

In a few days the final tally will be in. 2016 was not the blockbuster in the US as was 2015...but we are still over $10B.
 
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love ip man movies.... will no.4 be released soon?
 
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Another sector where China will surpass america! Future truly belongs to China! :china:
Come on, not so fast. Don't let this get into your head.

China won't overtake the US box office this year, it will take a few more years based on current trends.
 
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http://www.screendaily.com/news/hol...ocktitle=ASIA-BOX-OFFICE-NEWS&contentID=41584
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Hollywood plots China box office audit amid fraud concerns

MPAA reacts to ongoing questions about the accuracy of Chinese box office reporting.

The Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA), the lobbying group that represents the six major Hollywood studios, is plotting an audit of China’s box office.

The MPAA has hired an accounting firm to audit sales of selected films amid ongoing concerns about the accuracy of Chinese box office figures, according to a report from Bloomberg.

In recent years, the burgeoning Chinese box office has faced accusations of fraud.

In March 2016, the distributor of Ip Man 3 had its licence temporarily suspended for fabricating more than 7,600 screenings of the film, which amounted to $8.6m in box office receipts.

In March this year, Chinese authorities continued their crackdown on box office fraud in the country, punishing more than 300 cinemas for fraudulent activity.

The crackdown on box office fraud was cited as one reason that growth of the overall China box office declined sharply in 2016, with figures plateauing after years of substantial increases.

The results of the MPAA audit could come as soon as the third quarter of 2017.

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