China's booming Silicon Valley-like community

[tower9]

Hello, @tower9, can you post pictures of what you said here :

This is the Songjiang District of Shanghai which is a suburban area. This cluster of mid-rise residential buildings are a typical suburban area in China.

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/J77RDK/17...-residential-compound-in-songjiang-J77RDK.jpg

Wuhan city suburbs

That's an American style suburb. A very tiny portion of China's population lives in this type of suburb. These houses would easily be about $3-5 million USD.

 

[beijingwalker]

That's an American style suburb. A very tiny portion of China's population lives in this type of suburb. These houses would easily be about $3-5 million USD.

Depends on where those houses are, Wuhan is not that expensive, but an apartment in Beijing, Shanghai, Shenzhen.. worth more than most houses in US, but build a big multi storey house in the countryside or the outskirts are very cheap in China. The value of a house in China is not the house, it's the land which the house was built on.

 

[tower9]

Depends on where those houses are, Wuhan is not that expensive, but an apartment in Beijing, Shanghai, Shenzhen.. worth more than most houses in US, but build a big multi storey house in the countryside or the outskirts are very cheap in China. The value of a house in China is not the house, it's the land which the house was built on.

But people earn a lot less in Wuhan.

Bottom line is that a very tiny fraction of China's population lives in a US style suburb. So to post those suburbs as typical is not accurate.

 

[beijingwalker]

But people earn a lot less in Wuhan.

Bottom line is that a very tiny fraction of China's population lives in a US style suburb. So to post those suburbs as typical is not accurate.

Could be true, but that can also change sooner than you know, Shanghai didn't have even one subway line until 1990's, now it has the world longest.

 

[tower9]

Could be true, but that can also change sooner than you know, Shanghai didn't have even one subway line until 1990's, now it has the world longest.

Yeah, it's possible it might change soon. Very few Chinese neighborhoods have the relaxed and beautiful feel that many American neighborhoods have. It'd be interesting to see how China's residential areas change.

 

[Paul2]

Who needs to live in a suburb outside of a city if you can live in a village in a city? http://news.sznews.com/content/2019-01/23/content_21368961_0.htm

 

[Mista]

For East Asians, convenience and dynamism are still generally preferred over tranquility quite unlike the West. The photo of Wuhan above is more like a wealthy area within a city rather than US-style suburbs, as I can see tall buildings in the surrounding area.

Japan's suburbs and smaller towns are a better alternative than US style suburbs for China. It's more efficient and environmentally-friendly, especially for a country with more than a billion people.

Something like this, suburbs in Tokyo:

There's a city in Japan called Toyama City and it was developing into a suburban sprawl like the US. The result was more pollution due to more cars and higher budget expenses for the city as amenities (electricity, water, police, hospital, fire stations etc) spreads out and gets less efficient. The authorities build a light rail line and came up with a compact city plan to densify the city, and carbon emissions dropped drastically.

 

[tower9]

For East Asians, convenience and dynamism are still generally preferred over tranquility quite unlike the West. The photo of Wuhan above is more like a wealthy area within a city rather than US-style suburbs, as I can see tall buildings in the surrounding area.

Japan's suburbs and smaller towns are a better alternative than US style suburbs for China. It's more efficient and environmentally-friendly, especially for a country with more than a billion people.

Something like this, suburbs in Tokyo:

There's a city in Japan called Toyama City and it was developing into a suburban sprawl like the US. The result was more pollution due to more cars and higher budget expenses for the city as amenities (electricity, water, police, hospital, fire stations etc) spreads out and gets less efficient. The authorities build a light rail line and came up with a compact city plan to densify the city, and carbon emissions dropped drastically.

Japan is so orderly and clean. I don't know when China will ever get to Japan's level, will probably have to wait until everyone over 30 is dead.

 

[beijingwalker]

Japan is so orderly and clean. I don't know when China will ever get to Japan's level, will probably have to wait until everyone over 30 is dead.

Maybe never, US is not as clean as Japan, but it doesn't stop them to be a super power. every country has their own ways to achieve greatness.

 

[vi-va]

Japan is so orderly and clean. I don't know when China will ever get to Japan's level, will probably have to wait until everyone over 30 is dead.

I don't think China should be orderly and clean to Japan's level. It's not possible and China should NOT pursue that goal, imo.

Maybe I am wrong, please correct me. The Japanese mentality is the main reason for their order and cleanness. And that mentality will kill the vitality of Chinese society. China is loose in daily life, enjoy the life and hard working. The Japanese are way too orderly and I don't want my country be like that.

I would praise the current very dynamic Chinese society, as well as prosperity, hardworking spirit, passionate, wild and eager for fortune. That makes a great nation. While the Japanese mentality is inward, less passionate, little dream which I strongly disagree and in-appreciate.

 

[beijingwalker]

I don't think China should be orderly and clean to Japan's level. It's not possible and China should NOT pursue that goal, imo.

Maybe I am wrong, please correct me. The Japanese mentality is the main reason for their order and cleanness. And that mentality will kill the vitality of Chinese society. China is loose in daily life, enjoy the life and hard working. The Japanese are way too orderly and I don't want my country be like that.

I would praise the current very dynamic Chinese society, as well as prosperity, hardworking spirit, passionate, wild and eager for fortune. That makes a great nation. While the Japanese mentality is inward, less passionate, little dream which I strongly disagree and in-appreciate.

Japanese are sticklers and conformists, good as followers but suck as leaders. can be seen through Japan US relationship.

 

[vi-va]

Japanese are sticklers and conformists, good as followers but suck as leaders. can be seen through Japan US relationship.

With Japanese mentality, there is no way China can be world leader, and I would rather die if we gave up that dream.

All I want is a great nation, as great as Tang dynasty.

 

[tower9]

I don't think China should be orderly and clean to Japan's level. It's not possible and China should NOT pursue that goal, imo.

Maybe I am wrong, please correct me. The Japanese mentality is the main reason for their order and cleanness. And that mentality will kill the vitality of Chinese society. China is loose in daily life, enjoy the life and hard working. The Japanese are way too orderly and I don't want my country be like that.

I would praise the current very dynamic Chinese society, as well as prosperity, hardworking spirit, passionate, wild and eager for fortune. That makes a great nation. While the Japanese mentality is inward, less passionate, little dream which I strongly disagree and in-appreciate.

I think being a clean person, not littering and taking pride in your home's appearance, your neighborhood's appearance and your own appearance are basic standards for any decent person. I don't see how this is not achievable for China as long as the population is educated. I don't think it will have any effect on China's dynamism. Look at how clean Singapore is, it hasn't dented their dynamism.

Maybe never, US is not as clean as Japan, but it doesn't stop them to be a super power. every country has their own ways to achieve greatness.

The US overall is much cleaner than China. It has much less people as well of course.

 

[beijingwalker]

The US overall is much cleaner than China. It has much less people as well of course.

Really, check the New York subway. Some part of New York city is very dirty, many homeless people and they really really stink. but anyway, China is getting better year on year, but I never expect China become that spotless like Singapore or Japan, China is big country with even bigger dreams.

 

[tower9]

Really, check the New York subway. Some part of New York city is very dirty, many homeless people and they really really stink. but anyway, China is getting better year on year, but I never expect China become that spotless like Singapore or Japan, China is big country with even bigger dreams.

The only parts of the US that are more dirty than China are some slums and ghettos in the large cities of the US. Like in NYC, Philadelphia, San Francisco, Los Angeles.

But when you compare 99% of the rest of the country, the US is still way cleaner, more orderly and beautiful than China is. Just look at any small town. Many of China's small towns are run down and depressing looking, and there is trash, bricks everywhere. While in the US, the small towns are picturesque, like a glimpse of heaven.