China's 294 megatons of thermonuclear deterrence

[gambit]

How you can grow the potatoes without any farmlands left?

USA has 18% of arable lands, while China has 14-15%, since China has 4 times of more population, thus our per capita is much less.

But after an nuclear armageddon, 18% vs 14-15% is not much of difference, so expect both side have few survivors after the nuclear winter.

No. Cultivated land is not the same as arable land...

Chinese Geography: Readings and Maps | Asia for Educators | Columbia University

Viewing the map showing the U.S. and China superimposed, it can be seen that China has only a slightly larger land area, 3.69 million square miles compared to the 3.68 million square miles of the United States. However, while approximately 40% of the U.S. land can be cultivated, only 11% of China's land is arable. Much of the arable land in the United States, of course, is actually not used for farming but instead is used for pasture or has been developed for other uses.

 

[IronsightSniper]

How you can grow the potatoes without any farmlands left?

USA has 18% of arable lands, while China has 14-15%, since China has 4 times of more population, thus our per capita is much less.

But after an nuclear armageddon, 18% vs 14-15% is not much of difference, so expect both side have few survivors after the nuclear winter.

Hydroponics, aeroponics, etc. There's also plenty of arable land outside of the midwest, which is, admittedly, where most of it is, but not all of it. In Northern California, for example, some of the most fertile land in the entire world (it seriously is), can grow potatoes, grapes, oranges, etc. Without knowing exactly how much damage the Yellowstone Supervolcano would do (in my defense, all I know about it is that if it erupts, the whole world is a goner), I'd say Northern California would be a major supplier of foods.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

No. Cultivated land is not the same as arable land...

Chinese Geography: Readings and Maps | Asia for Educators | Columbia University

It doesn't matter, the implosion of the Supervolcano is expected to be hundred times more powerful than 10000 nukes, you won't have any farmlands left anyway.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Hydroponics, aeroponics, etc. There's also plenty of arable land outside of the midwest, which is, admittedly, where most of it is, but not all of it. In Northern California, for example, some of the most fertile land in the entire world (it seriously is), can grow potatoes, grapes, oranges, etc. Without knowing exactly how much damage the Yellowstone Supervolcano would do (in my defense, all I know about it is that if it erupts, the whole world is a goner), I'd say Northern California would be a major supplier of foods.

US and China have some very different geographic areas, US has more plain which is better for farming, while China's land has far more mountainous area, while it is not good for farming, but more resistant against the nuclear attack, you need more nukes to destroy a city from the mountainous area than a city from the plain/steppe area.

Thus in a nuclear exchange, US probably requires several times more of nukes to destroy China's infrastructure than China to destroy US.

With more mountainous areas, China has used this geographic advantage to build its 3000 miles underground nuclear tunnel to protect its land based nukes from any preemptive strike.

 

[IronsightSniper]

It doesn't matter, the implosion of the Supervolcano is expected to be hundred times more powerful than 10000 nukes, you won't have any farmlands left.

The ironic thing is that the best soil for agriculture comes from volcanoes!

But yes, after double checking, an eruption of Yellowstone would cause an ice age that would last for years on end. The much smaller volcano, Mount Tambora in Sumatra, erupted in 1816, which caused "A Year without a Summer". Ash of the eruption was found in Southern China and India.

Yellowstone on the other hand, is obviously a much larger volcano, and there's no doubt in my mind that:

1. The U.S. nuking the 3 Gorges is committing a massacre
2. China nuking Yellowstone is committing a genocide

 

[below_freezing]

News for you, buddy. I was on the F-111 for 4 yrs. The only models I did not touched was the FB and the Australian C. When the 'Vark was retired, the Russians (not Soviets) sighed a great relief. If there is a shooting war between US and China, you can bet your life that at least 1/4 of China's nuclear delivery capability will be rendered either junk or severely damaged to near junk by US conventional means alone, leaving our nuclear forces for reserves.

Unlikely, you couldn't even catch Saddam's stone age Scuds in a flat desert, good luck trying to catch modern ICBM TELs that can go underground in the most heavily forested and mountained terrain on earth and alternatively, in the biggest continuous urban areas in the world.

 

[j20blackdragon]

H-6K for "round the clock" bombing of Vietnam.

 

[marshall]

Not much of them could reach the U.S., though, which again, is not relevant as what they have that could reach the U.S. is more than enough to 'discourage' a war.

My advice is, don't believe every unverified claim you read. That 3000 nukes fantasy has its roots in an American study done by an American professor and his students. That is the same sort of ridiculous study as what Colin Powell presented at the UN when he used a university paper by some random student to justify non-existent Iraqi WMDs. It's all speculation and wishful guesstimates. You might as well speculate that India has around 3000 nukes because it needs that to counter China's supposed 3000 nukes. I find it to be retarded logic.

 

[marshall]

There seems to be some dispute over China's tunneling technology and ability. Watch the entire following video to understand China's 45-year-long history of constructing massive underground complexes and judge for yourself.

Pay particular attention at 7:00 in the video. Note that the 2,500km Underground Great Wall (e.g. complete network is 5,000km) was only built recently between 1999 and 2009. The video highlights the specification of "larger tunnels" and the use of "advanced technology" to build it.

At 12:42 in the video, we see "large TELs moving thru Tunnels."

Chinese Nuclear Tunnels:The Underground Great Wall:The DongFeng 21D - YouTube

This film is a patchwork of videos that describe the 5000km Underground Great Wall. As I have said repeatedly, I have never disputed the EXISTENCE of this underground network. I dispute the EXTENT of the type of tunnel required to house and transport mobile ICBM TELs that are larger than the largest 18-wheeler truck. To serve their purpose as underground shelter against unprovoked nuclear 1st strike, such tunnels would need to be at least 400 feet underground within granite rock, be largely waterproofed, have reinforced gravel roadbed and as large as a 2-lane highway tunnel. China takes upwards of 10 years to construct highway tunnels of less than 15km and here you are claiming they can construct many thousands of such tunnel on a schedule that is 100 times faster.

First of all, the video is full of UNVERIFIED claims that insinuate their source to be from official sources when they are not. For example, the bit about 2350 "verified" warheads. That source was not official and was a quote from some self-proclaimed insider blogged by a Hong Kong paper in the 1990s. Claims of a plan to double the nuclear stockpile in 10 years, another unverified claim by some self-described insider. About the claim of 2500km of tunnel constructed between 1999-2009 to the quality that is needed, no official source was given for this claim and I'm sure it is the same superfluous unverified nonsense posing as fact.

China's South-to-North Water diversion project has received some attention recently with the completion of the underground tunnel constructed beneath the Yellow River for the Eastern branch of that project. The Western branch hasn't begun construction yet for a critical reason. That would require construction of tunnel through nearly 100kms of mountain that would take over 20 years to build. How do you explain this when China can supposedly build thousands of kilometers of the same sort of tunnel with whatever advanced tunneling technology described? See what I mean? It doesn't make sense. The Western route water diversion is a critical strategic national asset that would benefit most of northwestern China and yet the government has been putting it off? As I've already said, I call BS on this one...yet again. Until China's so-called advanced tunneling technology can perform the same sort of miracles on its civilian tunnel construction, the claims of thousands of kilometers of tunnel built to the required quality standard needed to survive preemptive nuclear 1st strike and serve as underground transport conduits for huge mobile TELs will remain in the realm of fantasy and American right-wing neocon propaganda.

The video was produced by Zachary Karber of Georgetown University, the same university that began this theory that China has thousands of nukes. Here is an interesting link about how these Georgetown "analysts" used Internet sources and military blogs like this one to come to their conclusions. In other words, guys like you who want to hammer ridiculous ideas as fact are simultaneously the sources for the same nonsense. It doesn't help that China doesn't have enough weapons grade uranium and plutonium to begin with to produce more than 700 warheads as confirmed by official sources.

http://www.thebulletin.org/web-edition/features/the-defensive-nature-of-chinas-underground-great-wall

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Go China Best country in world

 

[Martian2]

United States gives up on intercepting Chinese ICBMs

There were two important components of U.S. ballistic missile defense against China. Now, they have both been canceled. The United States has given up on neutralizing incoming Chinese thermonuclear warheads.

The Boeing Airborne Laser (ABL) was canceled last year, because it required two minutes to shoot down an unprotected (e.g. non-spinning and non-ablative armored) ballistic missile at an effective range of only 50-100km.

There is a problem in bringing Chinese ICBMs during the boost phase within the ABL's puny 50-100km range. It is impossible to fly a large aircraft near the Chinese coastline without being shot down. Never mind the idea of flying a large aircraft into the interior of the Chinese mainland.

Reference: Lights Out For The Airborne Laser | AVIATION WEEK

Now, the SBX has also been canceled. In the past, I have criticized the SBX as a fantasy and that it would never work in practice. In theory, if your opponent does nothing then the SBX might work. However, Chinese ballistic missiles, sea-skimming anti-ship missiles, and torpedoes will quickly destroy the large SBX target.

The concept of the SBX looks good on paper if China doesn't attack the SBX. However, in a real war, China would destroy the SBX in the opening minutes. A barrage of 50 ballistic missiles with MARV (maneuverable reentry vehicle) warheads alone would virtually guarantee the destruction of the SBX.

Without the SBX, the United States cannot track incoming Chinese DF-31A and DF-41 ICBMs. Being blind, the United States would lack the information to direct its ground-based interceptors (GBI) to their targets.

Let's assume that China does not attack the SBX (which is obviously ridiculous), U.S. missile defense against incoming Chinese thermonuclear warheads still would not work. According to the diagram, the kill vehicle on the GBI will attempt an intercept near the end of the mid-course phase.

By that time, the MIRVed warheads on the Chinese ICBMs would have separated. It is mathematically impossible for the United States to build three GBI missiles for every 3-MIRVed DF-31A and ten GBI missiles for every 10-MIRVed DF-41 Chinese ICBM.

Also, the U.S. GBI missiles are not reliable. Under ideal test conditions (e.g. clear weather, single target, prepositioned sensors, no decoys, lack of multiple multi-angled flight trajectories, special pre-launch preparation for high-profile test, etc.), half of the intercept tests have failed.

Reference: Ground-Based Midcourse Defense

Apparently, common sense has finally sunk in at the Pentagon and they canceled the SBX.

SBX-1 at Pearl Harbor, Hawaii

MDA Slashes $1B from Budget; SBX Shelved

"MDA Slashes $1B from Budget; SBX Shelved
Feb 13, 2012
By Amy Butler abutler@aviationweek.com
THE PENTAGON

The U.S. Missile Defense Agency’s funding request of $7.75 billion includes a major departure for the agency’s testing regime: shelving the massive Raytheon Sea-Based X-Band (SBX) radar.

MDA has long used the radar, which is mounted on a large, floating platform, for providing targeting and discrimination data during flight tests in the Pacific region.

Officials will now use the AN/TYP-2 radars, also made by Raytheon, to support this testing as well as future deployments there, one MDA official says. Additionally, the agency has Upgraded Early Warning Radars and the Cobra Dane system to aid in sensor support for testing. The early warning radar in Clear, Alaska, is being upgraded to a more advanced configuration with completion slated for 2016.

SBX funding, which was at $176.8 million in fiscal 2012, sharply decreases to a steady $9.7 million annually through fiscal 2017.

The White House in budget documents suggests that the SBX will be maintained in a “limited test support” role, saving “at least $500 million over five years while also retaining the ability to recall it to an active, operational status if and when it is needed.”

MDA officials are not providing a press briefing on their budget Feb. 13 along with the rest of the Pentagon; instead, a five-page summary of its budget was released.

In it, the agency says it will complete preliminary designs for the Precision Tracking Space System (PTSS), a satellite constellation designed to provide midcourse tracking of warheads as they travel through cold space toward their targets. PTSS is also optimized to help interceptors destroy targets earlier in flight.

Based on MDA’s request, funding should increase from $80.7 million in fiscal 2012 to $297.3 million in fiscal 2013, with another roughly $1.2 billion through 2017.

One sensor effort that appears stalled, however, is the Airborne Infrared (ABIR) project, which aims to use a UAV-mounted infrared system to provide early tracking data of ballistic missiles after they are fired. No funding is provided for this project through 2017.

Another account, dubbed “advanced remote sensor technology,” however, is slated to receive roughly $150.5 million through 2017. MDA’s documents do not outline what technologies are included in this account.

The agency appears to still be committed to development of the SM-3 IIB interceptor, which is slated for fielding around 2020. This yet-to-be-designed missile is intended to enable earlier interception of medium-range and intermediate-range ballistic missiles. Funded at $13.4 million in fiscal 2012, the agency is proposing to raise spending to $224.1 million in fiscal 2013, with another $1.7 billion to follow through 2017.

MDA’s classified “special programs” are listed as requiring $1.6 billion through fiscal 2017.

MDA plans to maintain 30 Ground-Based Midcourse Defense Interceptors (GBIs) in Alaska and California and continue upgrading the missiles. Additionally, five more GBIs are slated to be built for “enhanced testing, stockpile reliability and spares” for a total of 57 in the entire fleet.

Also in the request is funding for 29 Raytheon SM-3 Block 1B missiles as well as 36 Terminal High-Altitude Area Defense weapons."

 

[Martian2]

Jane's: "China is developing and testing a multi-MIRVed DF-41 ICBM"

Since 1986, according to Jane's Defence, China has been developing the DF-41 ICBM (which is capable of carrying 10 MIRVs).

DF-41 seen on a public road. Look carefully at the unique double-ring with multiple horizontal bars on the end of the DF-41 canister. It is the same design in both the top and bottom pictures.

In the latest update from Jane's Defence, we learn that China has been busy in "developing and testing" a 10-MIRVed DF-41. Also, Jane's is reporting two ABM (anti-ballistic missile) tests (probably the mid-course GBI interceptor) in 2010 and a new ABM test in September of 2011.

At some point, China will finish testing its DF-41 ICBM and it will completely change the strategic picture between China and the United States. Once the DF-41 is deployed, any American attempt to protect its cities will be pointless.

With only 100 DF-41 ICBMs, China can target 1,000 cities. The population of the targeted country will be reduced to zero when you include the nuclear fallout. If China chooses to build 200 DF-41 ICBMs then it can target 2,000 cities.

The deployment of 100 DF-41 ICBMs will force America to stop interjecting itself in China's core interests (e.g. Taiwan reunification, South Tibet, and South China Sea) or risk annihilation.

Russia successfully used its thermonuclear weapons to deter the United States and annexed 20% of Georgia with impunity. When China acquires a credible Russian-caliber threat to obliterate the United States, we will probably see an American withdrawal from Asia.

China's continued development of its ABM (or mid-course ground-based interceptors) capability demonstrates the intent to neutralize any Indian missile threat to China's eastern cities. Geographically, any Indian ICBM must pass over Tibet in its trajectory toward eastern China. China will simply shoot down the Indian ICBM(s) and completely annihilate all Indian cities with Chinese thermonuclear weapons.

I don't think any Indian leader is crazy enough to actually shoot an atomic warhead at a Chinese city. However, China is clearly hedging its bets. Better safe than sorry.

One additional factor is that even if an Indian atomic warhead reaches a Chinese city, the casualties may be pretty low. China has built nuclear bunkers under its major cities, such as Beijing.

Reference: Underground City (Beijing) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"While the [nuclear-bunker] complex has never been used for its intended purpose, it has been maintained by city officials...."

Executive Overview: IHS Jane's Weapons: Strategic

"Executive Overview: IHS Jane's Weapons: Strategic
1/24/2012

Recent strategic events

It seems inevitable that the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) and the Russian Federation (RF) will remain locked in disagreement over the questions surrounding Ballistic Missile Defence (BMD) for some months to come. The United States (US) have continued with their bilateral agreements with Poland, Romania and Turkey, and are believed to be discussing possible BMD options with Japan and South Korea (ROK).

Nuclear weapons

The present nine nuclear states, China, France, India, Israel, North Korea, Pakistan, RF, UK and US, need to consider making public the size of their nuclear weapon stocks. These figures should include what each may call strategic, tactical or theatre, as well as partially assembled warhead components. Whilst the RF and US provided some figures for the New Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (New START) agreement in 2011, these still only provide an outline rather than a complete declaration.

Missile developments

The last six months has seen more missile developments around the world. There have been further reports that China is developing and testing a DF-41 ICBM, and that this missile will have several warheads and sufficient range to reach the east coast of the US. China is also developing a DF-16 as a replacement for the DF-15. The new DF-16 missile is believed to have a maximum range of around 1,500 km, but may be developed in the future with a longer range to replace the DF-21.

Ballistic missile defence

The increasing role to be played by China in BMD has started to be seen. Following on from the Anti-Satellite (ASAT) test in 2007, China tested what were believed to be two Anti-Ballistic Missile (ABM) interceptors during 2010, and this was followed by a further test in September 2011.

Arms control treaties

The role of arms control treaties is extremely difficult to define, as there tend to be two equally valid interpretations of the process. There is the view that arms control treaties improve communication and understanding between nations, reducing the risk of war and reducing the cost of any preparations in case war should break out. The contrary view is that treaties provide a false sense of security, and that individual governments will provoke a crisis or war whenever they think that they can gain a significant advantage.

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[Martian2]

A small window to neutralize India

The Indian Threat

At some point in the future, India will successfully detonate a crude hydrogen bomb. Once India crosses that red line, China must take immediate action to stop India from deploying hundreds of thermonuclear warheads and holding Chinese cities hostage.

The past cannot be used as a guide to estimate the length of time required for India to miniaturize its future hydrogen bombs. Though it required 25 years between China's first 3.3 megaton blast in 1967 and the development of a W-88 class warhead, this timeline cannot be applied to India. India has access to incredibly powerful modern supercomputers, which can greatly shorten the time to test a new design.

China and India are on a collision course. At some point in the future, China will free the Chinese Tibetan mongoloids living in Sikkim and South Tibet (see below). However, Indians are aggressive and nasty imperialists. They will desire to reclaim their colonies in Sikkim and South Tibet.

China must not permit imperialist India the opportunity to develop a thermonuclear arsenal to threaten Chinese civilization and to enslave our fellow Chinese brothers and sisters in Sikkim and South Tibet.

There are two necessary components for an ICBM with a thermonuclear warhead. There is the rocket/missile delivery vehicle and the fusion warhead. China cannot stop India from building missiles. However, China can stop India from building thermonuclear warheads.

Order of Battle

India has a million-man army. It'll take all day to kill or capture all of them. Therefore, China's opening move should be a neutron bomb detonation (see below) above all major Indian military bases. The fireball and destruction from a neutron bomb are relatively small, but it is powerful enough to eliminate the Indian Army.

Just like the United States takeover of Panama, Chinese paratroopers will land and assume control of all major Indian military bases. Now, China has effective control of India. Like the United States in Afghanistan, Chinese military convoys can drive out on patrols.

The search and removal of all uranium, plutonium, and thorium from India

Without uranium, plutonium, or thorium, it is impossible to build a thermonuclear warhead. China should send in multiple teams of expert geologists to survey every square mile of India. Every deposit of uranium must be mined and transferred to China.

Thorium can be transmuted in a nuclear reactor into uranium. Thus, all thorium deposits must also be mined and removed. China must also search and remove all existing Indian stockpiles of plutonium.

China will compensate the Indians and pay market prices for the removed uranium, thorium, and plutonium.

To reduce Indian resentment, China should build roads, hospitals, and dams while the Chinese geologists are surveying and mining fissile material in India under the protection of military convoys.

Politics

The application of neutron bombs to Indian military targets is not a violation of China's NFU (no first use) pledge. China's NFU pledge does not apply to nuclear weapon states like India. Also, China only attacked legitimate military targets. No civilians were harmed.

China can invoke George Bush and recite the American policy of pre-emptive strikes against grave threats to China. Specifically, there are three justifications.

1. For decades, India has harbored the terrorist leader Dalai Lama. India and the Dalai Lama are responsible for the terrorist deaths of innocent Chinese men, women, and children during the Tibetan riots of 2008. Paraphrasing George Bush again, "any country that harbors a terrorist is a legitimate target of Chinese military power."

2. For decades, India has colonized and imposed its imperialist rule over Chinese people in Sikkim and South Tibet. Such action is intolerable. Today's military action is necessary to liberate Chinese citizens from the yoke of alien Indian repression.

3. It is in the interest of all countries of the world that a rogue state is not permitted to develop weapons of mass destruction. India has repeatedly refused to sign the NPT, which virtually all nations in the world has done. Therefore, to safeguard all countries in the world, China is in the process of neutralizing India's ability to threaten everyone with thermonuclear weapons.

Conclusion

When India detonates a thermonuclear bomb and crosses the Chinese red line, there is very limited time to permanently defang India. China cannot afford to take the risk of another Nehru. It is unacceptable for India to develop a full-fledged thermonuclear arsenal and possess the capability to annihilate all Chinese cities with the push of a button. If another Nehru were in charge, he would probably push the button to spite China.

Once China has removed all uranium, plutonium and thorium from India, the Indians will never pose a mortal threat to all Chinese. The PLA can withdraw to China and the liberated territories of Sikkim and South Tibet.

Everyone will live in peace.

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Sikkim is populated by Chinese people. Take a close look at the picture. Do they look like Chinese or Indians to you? China will eventually free the Chinese people in Sikkim from Indian tyranny. (Source: TRAVEL 2 SIKKIM: Sikkimese people and its culture and tradition.)

South Tibet/Arunachal Pradesh is also populated by Chinese people. Once again, I ask you to take a close look at the photograph. Do they look Indian at all to you? China must liberate our fellow brothers and sisters from alien Indian despotic rule. (Source: Chinese Media Call for integration of Northeastern States of India with China | NagaJournal - Breaking News | NE India News | Naga News | Photos | Articles | Folktales)

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Freedom Network - williambova.net

"China Test-detonates Kiloton Neutron Bomb
U.S. likely knew about surface explosion
By David M. Bresnahan
WorldNetDaily.com

China has detonated at least one neutron bomb above ground with the knowledge and perhaps even the co-operation of the U.S.

Photographs of the secret test in late 1995 or 1996 have been provided to WorldNetDaily through a U.S. intelligence source who cannot be identified. The photographs have been tested and evaluated by several sources who have concluded they are genuine.

The pictures show what is alleged to be the detonation of a neutron bomb above what appears to be an orchard, somewhere in China. The photos were most likely taken from an airplane, although some sources believe they could have been taken by satellite. The possibility that they were taken by a U.S. spy satellite was not ruled out.

The disclosure of the secret test, made possible through U.S. technology, comes at a sensitive time because China Premier Zhu Rongji is currently visiting the U.S. in efforts to ease concerns about the U.S. relationship with communist China.

"Attached are two deliberately degraded, but still very good imagery of a possible/probable atmospheric or open air, above ground, test of an Enhanced Radiation Device (neutron bomb) (EHRD) in the PRC (People's Republic of China), supposedly in the late 1995 or 1996 time frame," detailed the description that came with the photos. The source has access to satellite high resolution, multi-spectral imagery and other intelligence photos.

The source who provided the pictures is known to WorldNetDaily and has proven to be reliable. His background has been checked independently and has been verified. He is who he claims to be. To protect him and his viability as a continual source for information, his name and location cannot be revealed.

The first photograph was taken less than a microsecond after the detonation, and the second was taken within a millisecond or two of the first.

"These images are very rich in the IR (infrared) spectrum, both reflected and absorbed, so some things appear very dark and some seem very light -- both unnaturally so in the normal visible spectra. Please note also that to have taken these images one must have had considerable foreknowledge, or intelligence, of the planned event well beforehand," commented the source.

He believes there is a likelihood that the pictures were taken by a U.S. spy satellite of the KH type. This would mean that the U.S. knew in advance that the test would take place and the location of that test.

WorldNetDaily sent copies of the pictures to the man who originated the idea of the neutron bomb, retired nuclear physicist Sam Cohen. He confirmed that he believes the photographs to be genuine.

Cohen said the photographs appear just as they should, and that it would take someone with very sophisticated knowledge of nuclear physics to fake such a photograph. Other military experts were also consulted and they too confirmed that there is no reason to suspect that the photos are not real.

Additional copies were also sent to high-ranking members of the intelligence community with requests for comments. Absolutely no comment has been received. The request was made by the intelligence source who provided the pictures.

Cohen said it is likely that the device was a low yield neutron bomb of approximately one-kiloton in size. It would have been dropped from a plane at an altitude of approximately 10,000 feet. The explosion should have taken place in the area of 3,000 feet above the ground to have the optimum effect of destroying life without damaging property.

"There would have been zero effect on the pilot or crew," Cohen told WorldNetDaily. "I don't even think the airplane would have felt a shudder at that low yield and at that especially low yield regarding blast that comes out of a neutron bomb."

Cohen, and a different military source familiar with such tests both agreed that one test above ground is not enough. It is expected that this was one of at least two tests. A previous underground test by China was dismissed by U.S. officials as improperly conducted.

Cohen and others agreed that U.S. technology has enabled China to develop their nuclear capabilities, and that technology was not stolen from the U.S. It was cooperatively provided they all agreed.

What appears to be a defect in the fireball in the pictures is actually purposely created to tailor the effect of the bomb. Cohen said he first proposed this very technology 35 years ago.

Cohen put together a study group of other nuclear physicists working with him for the government and determined that a neutron bomb could be tailored to produce a pattern. His group found that advanced, discriminate, tailored effects of battlefield nuclear warheads with a very low yield could be designed.

Because of lingering requirements related to top secret information, Cohen was unable to provide the details of how such bombs can be tailor-made, but he said it is possible. He said the photographs show just such a possibility.

"What you're seeing in this picture [Photo 1] is a fireball. It's pretty hot," Cohen told WorldNetDaily. "Initially when the fireball is formed it is white hot. It is not in the infrared region. It's at the far end of the visible region approaching ultraviolet. I say this having witnessed many a test, and, boy, are things bright.

"If you were to look at it with the naked eye from the very beginning, you would be flash blinded, but good. You'd be out of commission for a long time, and you would suffer a little bit of eye damage, but not enough to blind you.

"The area around a nuclear shock turns extremely white. It's like a thousand suns were beaming down. The whole landscape become eerie (as seen in the second photo It lasts a number of seconds and fades in intensity as time goes on. That fireball just glows and glows. At the beginning it's the hottest, then it gradually begins to cool down. Then it starts rising and we get the mushroom cloud and all that sort of stuff," explained Cohen.

This photo was taken within a few hundredths of a microsecond of the detonation of the device. It was most likely taken from an airplane, but it could have been shot from a satellite. The fireball can be seen at its brightest, and a uniquely designed pattern is also very easily seen.

This second photograph was taken approximately a millisecond after the first. The dome of the fireball can be seen, along with the specially created pattern of neutrons impacting the ground.

Above ground tests of neutron bombs are not only useful but necessary. Without such tests, military leaders will not know exactly what to expect from such a weapon until it is used. The size of the bomb and the ideal height for detonation can only be determined from a test.

Cohen said he estimates the size of the fireball in the pictures to be about 200 to 300 feet across. He believes it is a good example of what to expect from a one-kiloton, low yield neutron bomb. The photos came without technical information, so Cohen and others who evaluated the pictures were unable to provide conclusive details.

"We have the fireball and off to one side we have this haze," Cohen continued to describe. "There's very little doubt in my mind that this haze was caused by radiation escaping from the bomb. Neutron bombs emphasize radiation, prompt radiation." He said it would take a specially designed bomb to direct radiation more to one side than to another.

"You've got to think multi-spectral across the entire spectrum, so you're looking at everything from UV, visible, to infrared as you look at these pictures," explained one military source who declined to be named.

"What we're seeing here (in the second photo) as the fireball is rapidly cooling down, we're seeing secondary atmospheric effects that just haven't been observed before," the source suggested.

"The first photograph is probably in the hundreds of microseconds region of the event. Therefore you're seeing it before the actual effects have hit the ground. That may be a stretch, I don't know," he added to explain the dark shadow area in the first photograph, which then becomes extremely white in the second picture.

"We understand how they work, but we've never had a good understanding of their effect," commented Cohen about the frustration of the U.S. scientific community. "We were never allowed to test these things in the atmosphere. All the neutron bomb tests that we did were underground. The military was dying to know just exactly what these effects might be. I think that's exactly what happened over in France, that the military wanted to know what these effects were, so they snuck off to the south Indian Ocean and detonated this thing.

The military source believes the U.S. has full knowledge of the above ground test conducted by France in 1979, and that the U.S. cooperated in that test. Cohen was in France at the time and suggested that French scientists find a way to conduct an open air test.

The U.S. government has known about the Chinese test and most likely has the data from that test. All sources agreed that is why no mention has been made."

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Tech-Ex: Neutron bomb inventor Samuel Cohen dead at 89

"Neutron bomb inventor Samuel Cohen dead at 89
Friday, December 03, 2010

Samuel Cohen, the inventor of the neutron bomb, which he called "the only nuclear weapon in history that makes sense in waging war," has died. He died on Nov. 28, two weeks after a cancerous tumor was removed from his stomach, at the age of 89.

Before inventing the neutron bomb, Samuel Cohen was also involved in the development of one of the two atomic bombs the U.S. dropped on Japan during WWII, "Fat Man," the more complex plutonium weapon dropped on Nagasaki. While those atomic bombs and later nuclear bombs did substantial damage over a wide area, as well as irradiating people and structures, while dropping considerable radiative fallout in its wake, the neutron bomb was different.

The neutron bomb was designed to produce neutrons pass through objects, leaving them pretty much undamaged. People and animals were not so lucky. The neutrons would cause lethal damage to the nuclei of cells, killing combatants. However, the range of the device was limited, so that neighboring civilians could escape unscathed. There would also be little or no residual radiation.

Cohen recently told the New York Times that "It's the most sane and moral weapon ever devised. It's the only nuclear weapon in history that makes sense in waging war. When the war is over, the world is still intact."

As true as that was, concern over the neutron bomb perhaps validating nuclear weapons was widespread. President Ronald Reagan eventually ordered 700 such devices, as a way of deterring any Soviet attack across Western Europe, but those were eventually dismantled when the Soviet Union disintegrated. Other countries were thought to have built neutron bombs, as well, but it is unclear if they have any operational ones left.

In his memoir, Cohen said the inspiration for the neutron bomb came from a visit to Seoul, South Korea, in 1951. The city had been devastated during the Korean War. He later said, in his memoir, "If we are going to go on fighting these damned fool wars in the future, shelling and bombing cities to smithereens and wrecking the lives of their inhabitants, might there be some kind of nuclear weapon that could avoid all this?"

Samuel Cohen is survived by his wife Margaret; three children, sons Paul and Thomas and daughter Carla Nagler; as well as three grandchildren."

 

[HongWu]

^ First point, those people are not Chinese. They are just Mongoloid. Not all Mongoloids are Chinese. Except for the Tibetan Buddhists in Tawang, I think people living in present-day northeast india are closer to Burmese.

Secondly, we don't need to wait until india detonates a hydrogen bomb to deal with them. As soon as india comes to South China Sea and starts drilling in disputed waters, we bomb New Delhi into rubble. Meanwhile, we forge an alliance with the Maoists and NE separatists. The domestic unrest forces in india should take care fo the rest.

A re-partitioned hindustan is the only safe outcome to secure China's position as undisputed #1 Asian superpower. Two tigers cannot share the same mountain.

An additional benefit of a major subcontinent war is afterwards China can forcibly implant Chinese companies into india to extract wealth in the form of privately-held gold hordes.

 

[DARKY]

A small window to neutralize India

The Indian Threat

At some point in the future, India will successfully detonate a crude hydrogen bomb. Once India crosses that red line, China must take immediate action to stop India from deploying hundreds of thermonuclear warheads and holding Chinese cities hostage.

The past cannot be used as a guide to estimate the length of time required for India to miniaturize its future hydrogen bombs. Though it required 25 years between China's first 3.3 megaton blast in 1967 and the development of a W-88 class warhead, this timeline cannot be applied to India. India has access to incredibly powerful modern supercomputers, which can greatly shorten the time to test a new design.

China and India are on a collision course. At some point in the future, China will free the Chinese Tibetan mongoloids living in Sikkim and South Tibet (see below). However, Indians are aggressive and nasty imperialists. They will desire to reclaim their colonies in Sikkim and South Tibet.

China must not permit imperialist India the opportunity to develop a thermonuclear arsenal to threaten Chinese civilization and to enslave our fellow Chinese brothers and sisters in Sikkim and South Tibet.

There are two necessary components for an ICBM with a thermonuclear warhead. There is the rocket/missile delivery vehicle and the fusion warhead. China cannot stop India from building missiles. However, China can stop India from building thermonuclear warheads.

Order of Battle

India has a million-man army. It'll take all day to kill or capture all of them. Therefore, China's opening move should be a neutron bomb detonation (see below) above all major Indian military bases. The fireball and destruction from a neutron bomb are relatively small, but it is powerful enough to eliminate the Indian Army.

Just like the United States takeover of Panama, Chinese paratroopers will land and assume control of all major Indian military bases. Now, China has effective control of India. Like the United States in Afghanistan, Chinese military convoys can drive out on patrols.

The search and removal of all uranium, plutonium, and thorium from India

Without uranium, plutonium, or thorium, it is impossible to build a thermonuclear warhead. China should send in multiple teams of expert geologists to survey every square mile of India. Every deposit of uranium must be mined and transferred to China.

Thorium can be transmuted in a nuclear reactor into uranium. Thus, all thorium deposits must also be mined and removed. China must also search and remove all existing Indian stockpiles of plutonium.

China will compensate the Indians and pay market prices for the removed uranium, thorium, and plutonium.

To reduce Indian resentment, China should build roads, hospitals, and dams while the Chinese geologists are surveying and mining fissile material in India under the protection of military convoys.

Politics

The application of neutron bombs to Indian military targets is not a violation of China's NFU (no first use) pledge. China's NFU pledge does not apply to nuclear weapon states like India. Also, China only attacked legitimate military targets. No civilians were harmed.

China can invoke George Bush and recite the American policy of pre-emptive strikes against grave threats to China. Specifically, there are three justifications.

1. For decades, India has harbored the terrorist leader Dalai Lama. India and the Dalai Lama are responsible for the terrorist deaths of innocent Chinese men, women, and children during the Tibetan riots of 2008. Paraphrasing George Bush again, "any country that harbors a terrorist is a legitimate target of Chinese military power."

2. For decades, India has colonized and imposed its imperialist rule over Chinese people in Sikkim and South Tibet. Such action is intolerable. Today's military action is necessary to liberate Chinese citizens from the yoke of alien Indian repression.

3. It is in the interest of all countries of the world that a rogue state is not permitted to develop weapons of mass destruction. India has repeatedly refused to sign the NPT, which virtually all nations in the world has done. Therefore, to safeguard all countries in the world, China is in the process of neutralizing India's ability to threaten everyone with thermonuclear weapons.

Conclusion

When India detonates a thermonuclear bomb and crosses the Chinese red line, there is very limited time to permanently defang India. China cannot afford to take the risk of another Nehru. It is unacceptable for India to develop a full-fledged thermonuclear arsenal and possess the capability to annihilate all Chinese cities with the push of a button. If another Nehru were in charge, he would probably push the button to spite China.

Once China has removed all uranium, plutonium and thorium from India, the Indians will never pose a mortal threat to all Chinese. The PLA can withdraw to China and the liberated territories of Sikkim and South Tibet.

Everyone will live in peace.

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Sikkim is populated by Chinese people. Take a close look at the picture. Do they look like Chinese or Indians to you? China will eventually free the Chinese people in Sikkim from Indian tyranny. (Source: TRAVEL 2 SIKKIM: Sikkimese people and its culture and tradition.)

South Tibet/Arunachal Pradesh is also populated by Chinese people. Once again, I ask you to take a close look at the photograph. Do they look Indian at all to you? China must liberate our fellow brothers and sisters from alien Indian despotic rule. (Source: Chinese Media Call for integration of Northeastern States of India with China | NagaJournal - Breaking News | NE India News | Naga News | Photos | Articles | Folktales)

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Freedom Network - williambova.net

"China Test-detonates Kiloton Neutron Bomb
U.S. likely knew about surface explosion
By David M. Bresnahan
WorldNetDaily.com

China has detonated at least one neutron bomb above ground with the knowledge and perhaps even the co-operation of the U.S.

Photographs of the secret test in late 1995 or 1996 have been provided to WorldNetDaily through a U.S. intelligence source who cannot be identified. The photographs have been tested and evaluated by several sources who have concluded they are genuine.

The pictures show what is alleged to be the detonation of a neutron bomb above what appears to be an orchard, somewhere in China. The photos were most likely taken from an airplane, although some sources believe they could have been taken by satellite. The possibility that they were taken by a U.S. spy satellite was not ruled out.

The disclosure of the secret test, made possible through U.S. technology, comes at a sensitive time because China Premier Zhu Rongji is currently visiting the U.S. in efforts to ease concerns about the U.S. relationship with communist China.

"Attached are two deliberately degraded, but still very good imagery of a possible/probable atmospheric or open air, above ground, test of an Enhanced Radiation Device (neutron bomb) (EHRD) in the PRC (People's Republic of China), supposedly in the late 1995 or 1996 time frame," detailed the description that came with the photos. The source has access to satellite high resolution, multi-spectral imagery and other intelligence photos.

The source who provided the pictures is known to WorldNetDaily and has proven to be reliable. His background has been checked independently and has been verified. He is who he claims to be. To protect him and his viability as a continual source for information, his name and location cannot be revealed.

The first photograph was taken less than a microsecond after the detonation, and the second was taken within a millisecond or two of the first.

"These images are very rich in the IR (infrared) spectrum, both reflected and absorbed, so some things appear very dark and some seem very light -- both unnaturally so in the normal visible spectra. Please note also that to have taken these images one must have had considerable foreknowledge, or intelligence, of the planned event well beforehand," commented the source.

He believes there is a likelihood that the pictures were taken by a U.S. spy satellite of the KH type. This would mean that the U.S. knew in advance that the test would take place and the location of that test.

WorldNetDaily sent copies of the pictures to the man who originated the idea of the neutron bomb, retired nuclear physicist Sam Cohen. He confirmed that he believes the photographs to be genuine.

Cohen said the photographs appear just as they should, and that it would take someone with very sophisticated knowledge of nuclear physics to fake such a photograph. Other military experts were also consulted and they too confirmed that there is no reason to suspect that the photos are not real.

Additional copies were also sent to high-ranking members of the intelligence community with requests for comments. Absolutely no comment has been received. The request was made by the intelligence source who provided the pictures.

Cohen said it is likely that the device was a low yield neutron bomb of approximately one-kiloton in size. It would have been dropped from a plane at an altitude of approximately 10,000 feet. The explosion should have taken place in the area of 3,000 feet above the ground to have the optimum effect of destroying life without damaging property.

"There would have been zero effect on the pilot or crew," Cohen told WorldNetDaily. "I don't even think the airplane would have felt a shudder at that low yield and at that especially low yield regarding blast that comes out of a neutron bomb."

Cohen, and a different military source familiar with such tests both agreed that one test above ground is not enough. It is expected that this was one of at least two tests. A previous underground test by China was dismissed by U.S. officials as improperly conducted.

Cohen and others agreed that U.S. technology has enabled China to develop their nuclear capabilities, and that technology was not stolen from the U.S. It was cooperatively provided they all agreed.

What appears to be a defect in the fireball in the pictures is actually purposely created to tailor the effect of the bomb. Cohen said he first proposed this very technology 35 years ago.

Cohen put together a study group of other nuclear physicists working with him for the government and determined that a neutron bomb could be tailored to produce a pattern. His group found that advanced, discriminate, tailored effects of battlefield nuclear warheads with a very low yield could be designed.

Because of lingering requirements related to top secret information, Cohen was unable to provide the details of how such bombs can be tailor-made, but he said it is possible. He said the photographs show just such a possibility.

"What you're seeing in this picture [Photo 1] is a fireball. It's pretty hot," Cohen told WorldNetDaily. "Initially when the fireball is formed it is white hot. It is not in the infrared region. It's at the far end of the visible region approaching ultraviolet. I say this having witnessed many a test, and, boy, are things bright.

"If you were to look at it with the naked eye from the very beginning, you would be flash blinded, but good. You'd be out of commission for a long time, and you would suffer a little bit of eye damage, but not enough to blind you.

"The area around a nuclear shock turns extremely white. It's like a thousand suns were beaming down. The whole landscape become eerie (as seen in the second photo It lasts a number of seconds and fades in intensity as time goes on. That fireball just glows and glows. At the beginning it's the hottest, then it gradually begins to cool down. Then it starts rising and we get the mushroom cloud and all that sort of stuff," explained Cohen.

This photo was taken within a few hundredths of a microsecond of the detonation of the device. It was most likely taken from an airplane, but it could have been shot from a satellite. The fireball can be seen at its brightest, and a uniquely designed pattern is also very easily seen.

This second photograph was taken approximately a millisecond after the first. The dome of the fireball can be seen, along with the specially created pattern of neutrons impacting the ground.

Above ground tests of neutron bombs are not only useful but necessary. Without such tests, military leaders will not know exactly what to expect from such a weapon until it is used. The size of the bomb and the ideal height for detonation can only be determined from a test.

Cohen said he estimates the size of the fireball in the pictures to be about 200 to 300 feet across. He believes it is a good example of what to expect from a one-kiloton, low yield neutron bomb. The photos came without technical information, so Cohen and others who evaluated the pictures were unable to provide conclusive details.

"We have the fireball and off to one side we have this haze," Cohen continued to describe. "There's very little doubt in my mind that this haze was caused by radiation escaping from the bomb. Neutron bombs emphasize radiation, prompt radiation." He said it would take a specially designed bomb to direct radiation more to one side than to another.

"You've got to think multi-spectral across the entire spectrum, so you're looking at everything from UV, visible, to infrared as you look at these pictures," explained one military source who declined to be named.

"What we're seeing here (in the second photo) as the fireball is rapidly cooling down, we're seeing secondary atmospheric effects that just haven't been observed before," the source suggested.

"The first photograph is probably in the hundreds of microseconds region of the event. Therefore you're seeing it before the actual effects have hit the ground. That may be a stretch, I don't know," he added to explain the dark shadow area in the first photograph, which then becomes extremely white in the second picture.

"We understand how they work, but we've never had a good understanding of their effect," commented Cohen about the frustration of the U.S. scientific community. "We were never allowed to test these things in the atmosphere. All the neutron bomb tests that we did were underground. The military was dying to know just exactly what these effects might be. I think that's exactly what happened over in France, that the military wanted to know what these effects were, so they snuck off to the south Indian Ocean and detonated this thing.

The military source believes the U.S. has full knowledge of the above ground test conducted by France in 1979, and that the U.S. cooperated in that test. Cohen was in France at the time and suggested that French scientists find a way to conduct an open air test.

The U.S. government has known about the Chinese test and most likely has the data from that test. All sources agreed that is why no mention has been made."

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Tech-Ex: Neutron bomb inventor Samuel Cohen dead at 89

"Neutron bomb inventor Samuel Cohen dead at 89
Friday, December 03, 2010

Samuel Cohen, the inventor of the neutron bomb, which he called "the only nuclear weapon in history that makes sense in waging war," has died. He died on Nov. 28, two weeks after a cancerous tumor was removed from his stomach, at the age of 89.

Before inventing the neutron bomb, Samuel Cohen was also involved in the development of one of the two atomic bombs the U.S. dropped on Japan during WWII, "Fat Man," the more complex plutonium weapon dropped on Nagasaki. While those atomic bombs and later nuclear bombs did substantial damage over a wide area, as well as irradiating people and structures, while dropping considerable radiative fallout in its wake, the neutron bomb was different.

The neutron bomb was designed to produce neutrons pass through objects, leaving them pretty much undamaged. People and animals were not so lucky. The neutrons would cause lethal damage to the nuclei of cells, killing combatants. However, the range of the device was limited, so that neighboring civilians could escape unscathed. There would also be little or no residual radiation.

Cohen recently told the New York Times that "It's the most sane and moral weapon ever devised. It's the only nuclear weapon in history that makes sense in waging war. When the war is over, the world is still intact."

As true as that was, concern over the neutron bomb perhaps validating nuclear weapons was widespread. President Ronald Reagan eventually ordered 700 such devices, as a way of deterring any Soviet attack across Western Europe, but those were eventually dismantled when the Soviet Union disintegrated. Other countries were thought to have built neutron bombs, as well, but it is unclear if they have any operational ones left.

In his memoir, Cohen said the inspiration for the neutron bomb came from a visit to Seoul, South Korea, in 1951. The city had been devastated during the Korean War. He later said, in his memoir, "If we are going to go on fighting these damned fool wars in the future, shelling and bombing cities to smithereens and wrecking the lives of their inhabitants, might there be some kind of nuclear weapon that could avoid all this?"

Samuel Cohen is survived by his wife Margaret; three children, sons Paul and Thomas and daughter Carla Nagler; as well as three grandchildren."

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