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ChinaIndia first broke the Tacit that's why PLA made tent

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Tuesday’s flag meeting failed to reach a consensus with the Chinese delegation asking the Indian Army to stop building bunkers and digging trenches in Ladakh’s Phuktsey sector and India maintaining that the PLA’s been building a wall in the same sector.

What added a new dimension to the whole crisis was the Chinese allegation that there is civilian movement in the Chimmer sector — people allegedly cross the LAC to smuggle goods.

Defence minister AK Antony on Wednesday said: “We will take all required steps to protect our integrity. Negotiations are underway at every level to resolve the differences with China peacefully.”

source: China stands firm, India sits still - India - DNA

so the claim of India building a post in the disputed territory is now being told was in response to china fortifying at the same area by building a wall.

What added a new dimension to the whole crisis was the Chinese allegation that there is civilian movement in the Chimmer sector — people allegedly cross the LAC to smuggle goods.

This was the justification given by the Chinese side for their build up.
 
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I think the red line is win win too. any broke the status quo is unaccepted without talk on table, keep status quo and talk to solve boundary problem.

Sources said that the Indian Army officer also pointed out that China is constructing a wall near the Line of Actual Control in Phuktsey sector of Ladakh. “However, Chinese Army officer denied any such construction but assured that the matter would be looked into”, sources added.

source: DAILY EXCELSIOR

“The Chinese Army officer alleged that Indian army is constructing bunkers and digging trenches in Phuktsey sector of Ladakh near the LAC. He asked Indian Army to stop such constructions immediately”, sources said.

Sources said that the Chinese Army during the flag meeting has also alleged that in Chimmer sector of Ladakh there is civil movement on Indian side. “He alleged that Indian civilians are smuggling goods in this sector and are conducting illegal trade across LAC.”
The Chinese Army officer also alleged that Indian nomads in Chimmer sector are grazing their cattle in Chinese territory and staying there during summers. They asked Indian Army to stop such trans LAC activity.
 
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India is revisiting their old and silly way of 1962.

This is Forward Policy v2.0。

don't just post comments like the above it will only derail the discussion serves no other purpose.
 
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The tacit agreement to maintain balance is that both are patrolling inside this area yet none should build a permanent base let alone several bases inside the area - like what China and India did in the past decades. So the peace was maintained.

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There is no such a thing as “invading India”, because the region is disputed in the first place, god darn it!! :hitwall: Is that 82 IQ so low for this kind of basic understanding?

Elements of sneaky Indian army started itching for 1962-type “forward policy” in May, 2008 (when China was busy at pre-Olympics) , when India first broke this tacit agreement by installing several permanent structure military bases INSIDE this area!

When the sneaky India saw China kept quiet about it, it started building another permanent structure, a military runway INSIDE this area again, during 2008 summer when China was busy at the Olympics, and landed the first Indian fixed wing military aircraft on this runway in Nov 2008!

Since then India repeatedly and periodically landed il-76 military transporters on it and started to build another permanent structure INSIDE this area recently.

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A few points if you could just clarify, in order of you mentioning them (apart from the emotional outbursts)

I understand both your countries had an agreement to not build permanent structures inside the so called 'red' and 'green' lines, i.e. between your differing perceptions of LAC. That's well and good. but the protest right now is over an already completed permanent structure, namely 'Raki Nala' if I'm not mistaken. these take a significant amount of time to build. why wasn't a firm complaint lodged earlier, or similar protest made when being constructed?

why wait for it to be finished, then mount this provocation? do you expect Indians to bulldoze their permanent structure just because you played mahjong and watched it being built, then made this move after it was completed? Perhaps clarification is needed on exactly what structure(s) and when they were built, to resolve the central issue in this standoff- if indeed this is the primary motive (which I doubt).

Secondly, you talk about the 'military runway' which probably refers to what's labelled as 'Advanced landing ground' in the map below. hope your eyes are not failing you, and you realize that this air strip/landing ground is well to the west of China's perceived LAC (the red line), hence not claimed by you. unless of course you're changing your stance now and are claiming the entirety of Indian administered Ladakh (or nearly one half of the J&K state under their control).

But this is not your government's position, which maintains the red line or thereabouts as the furthest extent of their claim, and Aksai chin area of ladakh as being legitimately theirs since the surprise attack in 1962 brought it within their fold. so assuming you're a sane person, I think you made a genuine mistake here in reading the map, overlooking the fact that this landing strip does not fall under disputed areas between perceived LACs, but well within Indian-administered ladakh.


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and finally, please provide sources regarding 'several' il-76 transporters being landed on the strip or other permanent structures being built in the area between perceived LACs. conjecture and unfounded claims do not go far to prove any point.

Hopefully, the previous observations will dispel the oft repeated notion of this being a 'repeat of forward policy'. It clearly isn't. Nehru was shortsighted and overly confident five decades ago, but expecting their army to be the same unprepared, deer-in-headlight pacificsts today is nothing short of foolish.

And in the greater scheme of things, who is employing 'forward policy' is clear to see. where is the focus of your peoples' and media's attention, in the east or out west? Is the downstream half of the yangtze or yellow river located here, where most of your citizens and economy are concentrated?

The main reason for all this is just paranoia over proximity to your vital infrastructure, which connects two provinces overshadowed by the prospect of unrest breaking an enforced, fragile harmony. best to deal with that issue at it's core rather than offloading it onto neighbours under the guise of 'forward/backward/sidewards policy' accusations. pushing forward boundaries of empire to an unreasonable extent has never been a trait of South Asians, and neither of the Chinese until second half of last century.

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Edit: Forgot to add possible solution. the other poster was reasonable in saying you should accept a midpoint between all your disputed areas, equidistant from the respective claim/perception lines, make that the international border for every sector and call it a day. a 63-year long day.
 
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The British were very shrewd. They drew lines gifting away Manasarovar and Kailash to the chinese.
 
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How about exchange Manasarovar and Kailash with Arunachal?The answer clearly be no way,for I think Indian want all the good things.
 
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How about exchange Manasarovar and Kailash with Arunachal?The answer clearly be no way,for I think Indian want all the good things.

Ask CCP first. When British reached Tibet , they dont find any Han Chinese or any china govt representative their.
 
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How about exchange Manasarovar and Kailash with Arunachal?The answer clearly be no way,for I think Indian want all the good things.

If you can make the people in Arunachal to speak Chinese then you have a chance otherwise just forget it, people there are more Indians than the Indians themselves. India has many thousand years of historical reasons to claim Kailash than your once upon a time mapping of Chinese admiral of a few islands.

Other option for you is start worshiping Kailash then you have a reason to retain it.
 
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Ask CCP first. When British reached Tibet , they dont find any Han Chinese or any china govt representative their.
You can go Antarctica, and declare that whole Antarctica belong to you for you can't find any man
 
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If you can make the people in Arunachal to speak Chinese then you have a chance otherwise just forget it, people there are more Indians than the Indians themselves. India has many thousand years of historical reasons to claim Kailash than your once upon a time mapping of Chinese admiral of a few islands.

Other option for you is start worshiping Kailash then you have a reason to retain it.
Britain made you guys speak English,even you communicate with people in your own country.you are not able to have a domestic language in common on your own land,how dare occupy other lands.
 
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This thread is a yak pucky at best.

There are mechanisms in place by agreements signed by both the governments. If India was doing anything illegal then the mechanisms were supposed to be evoked and concerns raised via proper military and diplomatic channels. Indian tents were raised when Chinese refused to remove their camp, when after Indian raised her concerns both diplomatically and militarily.

If you are caught rough then don't invent excuses after two weeks. If you want to act bully then admit you are the aggressor then throw those agreements away and talk straight.
 
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Britain made you guys speak English,even you communicate with people in your own country.you are not able to have a domestic language in common on your own land,how dare occupy other lands.

Do you know our land is called a sub continent, you just mentioned one of the reason for it.
 
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How about exchange Manasarovar and Kailash with Arunachal?The answer clearly be no way,for I think Indian want all the good things.

India is not thinking about land. We would not exchange Arunachal Pradesh because of its people i bet you already know how they believe in India. They are proud to be Indian.

When they believe in being a part of India how can we abandon them?

However India is ready to exchange unpopulated areas for a peaceful solution to the border issue.

Britain made you guys speak English,even you communicate with people in your own country.you are not able to have a domestic language in common on your own land,how dare occupy other lands.

Correction you are wrong however let me not get in to the language issue. India is multi lingual and each state has its own official language and that is used in official matters related to the states affairs.

And Hindi is used in the affairs of the central government.
 
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Most likely the PLA didn't cross the LAC at all but the Indians are howling as usual and beating up war drums. They need some spanking like 1962 otherwise they won't stop whining.

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How big is the space between the red and the green line in Sq.Km?
 
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