China Wins First Orders for Plane, Breaking Airbus-Boeing Grip

[Guest]

Yeah right, pure "JEALOUSY" in full display, keep it up boy

can help to give you a thank, I love the image.

 

[somebozo]

Yeah right, pure "JEALOUSY" in full display, keep it up boy

why don't you take your valuable opinion to GoI which can even get copy paste right so far??

 

[Brotherhood]

This is what i hate about China.This aircraft looks just like the new 787.Another Chinese commercial aircraft looks just like the DC-9.I read somewhere that China is also producing an exact copy of the C-130 transport.The exact copy of the An-12 is in active service for a long time.I simple cannot understand why on earth they just keep copying instead of designing something on their own.


The exact copy of the DC-9 which i mentioned is called ARJ-21 and only Chinese airlines have ordered them.No offence to Chinese members but it appears that no one outside China is interested except for some African countries.

Wow, do they all look alike, two wings and a tail?

 

[Lankan Ranger]

Iran may buy 100 China's C919 passenger aircrafts

 

[BigTree.CN]

I think it is still too early for Chinese to celebrate!

We haven't built any of those crafts yet. In fact, i am a little concerned with that the progress of the project.

No fundamental breakthrough has been made yet, the authority is already beginning to brag about orders they've got. That is so not the way we Chinese should conduct ourselves, we need to focus more on things like the engine, composite material, avionics. When all of these are done, there will be plenty of orders from airlines.

I don't want to see the future Chinese big aircrafts are full of foreign stuffs.

 

[Lankan Ranger]

Comac releases C919 specifications

The Commercial Aircraft Corp of China (Comac) has released the specifications of its Comac C919 narrowbody jet.

The aircraft will have a length of 38.9m, wingspan of 35.8m and height of 11.95m, says Comac in a report released at Airshow China at Zhuhai.

It will have a cabin width of 3.9m and a height of 2.25m between the cabin floor and ceiling.

The aircraft will seat 168 in an all-economy configuration or 156 in a mixed configuration.

Comac says it applied to the Civil Aviation Authority of China for a type certificate for the C919 on 28 October. It aims to conduct first flight in 2014, followed by entry into service in 2016.

Zhuhai10: Comac releases C919 specifications

Comac announces launch C919 order for up to 100 jets

The Commercial Aircraft Corp of China (Comac) has announced a launch order of up to 100 aircraft for its C919 narrowbody.

Chinese carriers Air China, China Southern Airlines, China Eastern Airlines, Hainan Airlines, Chinese lessor CDB Leasing Company (CLC) and GECAS are the launch customers, says Comac at Airshow China 2010 in Zhuhai.

Half of the 100 orders are firm while the remaining are options, says Comac general manager Jin Zhuanglong.

Air China, China Southern and China Eastern have ordered up to 20 C919s each, he adds. He did not give a detailed breakdown for the remaining orders.

GECAS says it has ordered up to 10 aircraft, half of which are firm orders.

"Today is a very important milestone for us. The order shows that our product has been accepted by the market," says Jin.

The C919 is scheduled to have its first flight in 2014, with entry into service in 2016. The joint definition phase is ongoing, and is scheduled to wrap up early next year following a design review at the end of this year.

Comac says it aims to complete its detailed design work in 2012, before first flight in 2014.

Zhuhai 10: Comac announces launch C919 order for up to 100 jets

 

[Last Hope]

China is now-a-days going on top iin every industry !!
Good work boys !!

 

[aristocrat]

whoaaa while boeing is busy buying steel from china,china comes out with its own airliner.I think the americans perception was that manufacturing in china will be limited to low tech stuff.With liitle more investment by china Boeing and airbus are gonna face some serious competition .

 

[SpArK]

Well done China.. Nice Jet. Hope some orders will be coming from private airliners from here too ...soon.

 

[Chogy]

I have been in the airline biz for many years. I don't know anything about this aircraft, but from an economic standpoint, there are certain fundamental operating parameters that are absolutely critical for a jet to be a success.

#1 by far is fuel economy. A passenger jet can look nice, but if the fuel flow per passenger/seat-mile is even 3% greater than the competitor, it will cost a large airline hundreds of millions of dollars of lost revenue per year.

Example: The MD-80 (stretched DC-9) is a very popular jet, but also fairly old. It carries about 140 people. Fuel flow in cruise is ~ 6,200 pounds per hour. The new 737-800 carries 160 people, and fuel flow is ~ 4,400 pounds per hour. The savings in fuel are enormous. To get this efficiency requires some extremely advanced engines. There isn't much left in terms of lowering aerodynamic drag - what we see today is about as good as it's going to get.

#2 is maintenance. These jets get used HARD. It is typical for one to fly 10 to 14 hours a day, 7 days a week, for months on end. The maintenance needs to be infrequent, and simple to execute.

It is too early to tell with this jet until more is known.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

I have been in the airline biz for many years. I don't know anything about this aircraft, but from an economic standpoint, there are certain fundamental operating parameters that are absolutely critical for a jet to be a success.

#1 by far is fuel economy. A passenger jet can look nice, but if the fuel flow per passenger/seat-mile is even 3% greater than the competitor, it will cost a large airline hundreds of millions of dollars of lost revenue per year.

It is too early to tell with this jet until more is known.

Chogy,

if the procurement costs and fixed costs are low, and assuming it meets those parameters you rightly mentioned, then it would definitely be worth procuring. Correct me if i'm wrong --- one reason for Singapore Airways' success (apart from good marketing) is the fact that it inducts and keeps in its inventory only the newest aircrafts. From a purely accounting perspective, that means that the value of their assets is higher not to mention the costs of repair and maintenance to international standards would be kept low --perhaps because they fly more internationally than domestically --and it is the short domestic flights which cause the most stress and decrease the overall service lives of the aircrafts the fastest. Correct me if i'm wrong

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

This is what i hate about China.This aircraft looks just like the new 787.Another Chinese commercial aircraft looks just like the DC-9.I read somewhere that China is also producing an exact copy of the C-130 transport.The exact copy of the An-12 is in active service for a long time.I simple cannot understand why on earth they just keep copying instead of designing something on their own

Talk about being all high and mighty!



how many different domestic made civilian and military aircrafts does hindustan produce exactly??

I think Brotherhood did a good job answering your post though so i wont delve into it further

 

[Ganga]

Talk about being all high and mighty!



how many different domestic made civilian and military aircrafts does hindustan produce exactly??

I think Brotherhood did a good job answering your post though so i wont delve into it further

Don't try to make this an India China thread.I was just expressing my viewpoint.If you don't believe then do some research on your own and you will understand.Frankly speaking i do not care what China makes .But i hate it when people just reproduce an already existing machine and give it another name.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Don't try to make this an India China thread.I was just expressing my viewpoint.If you don't believe then do some research on your own and you will understand.Frankly speaking i do not care what China makes .But i hate it when people just reproduce an already existing machine and give it another name.

first of all, there are only subtle similarities between those 2. Ok, why dont you go review Brotherhoods post?

Secondly, (and again, i don't want to delve into this too far) -- even if it were an exact carbon copy who cares? It's helluva lot cheaper, and meets all practical purposes. Everything from R&D to fabrication created thousands of jobs. Win-win scenario from every perspective you look at it.

by the way, india copies a lot of things too ---from pharmaceuticals to even TV shows (Big Brother?)






do you hate that too?

 

[Chogy]

Chogy,

if the procurement costs and fixed costs are low, and assuming it meets those parameters you rightly mentioned, then it would definitely be worth procuring. Correct me if i'm wrong ...

You're not wrong. It's an enormously complicated industry, with razor-thin margins. Airlines (and aircraft makers) can fail on seemingly minor issues. Creative bookkeeping helps.

Douglas (Makers of the famous DC-3 through DC-9) ultimately failed because their product could not compete with Boeing and Airbus after they became McDonnell-Douglas.

I was wondering about the engines. From the other thread:

GE, Safran

Comac is working with overseas suppliers on the C919, including CFM International Inc., a venture between General Electric Co. and Safran SA that has won a $10 billion engine contract. Other suppliers include Honeywell International Inc., United Technologies Corp. and Parker Hannifin Corp.

So it appears to be a solid step forward, but it is not a 100% Chinese effort. Nothing wrong with this; SNECMA engines power the 737-800. Rolls-Royce powers many 777 jets. It is the nature of the business to use proven components, and makes economic sense. The hard part is grabbing enough market share, and to do that, the airplane must be proven both reliable and economically viable in a cut-throat industry.