China will receive 91pc revenues from Gwadar port for 40 years

[Sanchez]

91：9？ I guess that is the ratio of Chinese money to Pakistani money put into the Gwardar projects！In any ways I think 85:15 or 80:20 should be more reasonable，even if Chinese invested all the money instead of loans.

I felt strange that the contract was “leaked” by a high rank official of Pak government！

CPEC‘s fate is in the hands of Pakistani people. If it fails it’d be Pak‘s fault on account of all kinds of instable elements or interferences. And it’d be economic loss to Chinese but it‘s not that big money to China！

 

[Samlee]

Here Are A Few Points
1.Even If We Consider The Time Sensitive Goods As 1% Of China's Total Exports This Means $30 Billion Dollars That Can Go Through CPEC.FYI China Has Already Built A Link From East Coast Linyi(Eastern China) To Gwadar


http://en.people.cn/n3/2016/0510/c98649-9055546.html


2.Running A Port Is Not Like Building A house or running a shop, it needs a huge investment along with a number Of Liabilities. Hence, If From The Net Income Pakistan Gets Around 10% Without Having Spent A Single Penny, It’s Great Indeed. A Strategic Resource Would Be Developed With Someone Else’s Money But Will Ultimately Remain Pakistan’s Hands

3.Has It Occured To You That With The Passage Of Time Production Costs Are Rising In Eastern Coastal China.This Is Why Factories Are Relocating To Western Regions.

http://www.ibtimes.com/china-promot...expensive-coastal-regions-move-inland-2370602

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/28/...ush-for-chinese-factories-to-move-inland.html


Now The Problem With These Regions Were That They Did Not Have A Cost Effective Access To Sea.This Is Where Gwadar Port Comes Into Play.So Now You Can See CPEC As Part Of A Bigger Game plan.A Part of CPEC Is Being Built In China and A Part In Pakistan

4.Pakistan May Not Be Earning Much From Gwadar Port But They Will Be Earning From Toll Taxes and Transit Fees From Motorways and Railways.

5.As A Result Of Chinese Policy Of Relocating Industries To Less Developed Interior and Western Regions,Both Xinjiang and Tibet Have Been Experiencing Double Digit Growth.This When There Only Export Markets Right Now Are Russia and Central Asia.Imagine The Growth When They Get Cheap Access To Sea.They Grow and We Grow With Them

6.Karakoram Highway Is Being Transformed Into An All Weather Road.90% Of The Work Has Already Been Done On This

7.Be Specific What Part Of CPEC Is Ahsan Iqbal Hiding?????


I Can Elaborate More Points If You Want

9 Pages And Still No Indian Has Responded.Knowledge Check Kar Bhai Ki

 

[Pakistani E]

Hypothetical scenario:

Let's say I have 60+ acres of Land in Canada. It is located in the heart of the Logging industry but it is still under-developed and has poor connectivity and infrastructure.

I have a friend who's company expertise's in the Logging industry who agrees to lease the land from me for certain amount of time to build, manage etc all the sufficient requirements to get the land producing goods. I sign an agreement with him and will get the land back from him after 20 years with everything built up. Within that time-frame however, he agrees to provide me with 9% of all profits from this land.

From my point of view, this is a brilliant scenario to find myself in. A piece of land that is not producing any great revenue, is not connected and build up with infrastructure will get all that and I will not have to pay a penny on it. While at the moment, not only is it not giving me any profit, I am also having to pay maintenance costs/taxes etc nor do I have the capital to invest in this barren land.

In this situation, I will gladly take the 9% revenue. All day and every day. And I consider myself slightly business savvy. Have I been fooled by my friend?

 

[Thevarr]

Defeat??????????????......we've been winners since August the 14th 1947 when a Muslim minority was able to dismember, rip, tear and spread open wide the legs of mother india to create Pakistan from conquered indian territory and there is nothing indian kind can ever do to get that conquered territory back again bangladesh is 6× smaller than Pakistan and the bengalis have 0 in common with us. They are situated within indian territory. Their independence was inevitable.

The doubts you are conjecturing with regards to CPEC is EXACTLY the same doubts and dismissals indians expressed as to why Pakistan would NEVER EVER become a nuclear weapons state with or without Chinese assistance. indianisms all failed then. Just as then so is now

PS You are right, CPEC & becoming a nuclear weapons state are 2 different things. Becoming a nuke power was FAR FAR more difficult than CPEC being successful. With the billions the Chinese superpower is pouring into Pakistan every year, the success of CPEC is all but guaranteed

You know you must be doing something VERY right when an enemy who yearns for the destruction of the Pakistani race and nation is all of sudden concerned with our economic well being and calling us a "colony" of China

Make sure to come back ....and re read this post in 10 years

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Make sure to come back ....and re read this post in 10 years

I am glad you said that because indians said EXACTLY the same a day BEFORE Pakistan tested their nukes back in May 1998. The rest is history..........

 

[qamar1990]

China trades 1 Trillion Dollar in 1 year
9% of 1 Trillion = 90 Billion Dollars for Pakistan

Seems reasonable

not all of that trillion is coming through pakistan.. maybe a small fraction.

 

[qamar1990]

Hypothetical scenario:

Let's say I have 60+ acres of Land in Canada. It is located in the heart of the Logging industry but it is still under-developed and has poor connectivity and infrastructure.

I have a friend who's company expertise's in the Logging industry who agrees to lease the land from me for certain amount of time to build, manage etc all the sufficient requirements to get the land producing goods. I sign an agreement with him and will get the land back from him after 20 years with everything built up. Within that time-frame however, he agrees to provide me with 9% of all profits from this land.

From my point of view, this is a brilliant scenario to find myself in. A piece of land that is not producing any great revenue, is not connected and build up with infrastructure will get all that and I will not have to pay a penny on it. While at the moment, not only is it not giving me any profit, I am also having to pay maintenance costs/taxes etc nor do I have the capital to invest in this barren land.

In this situation, I will gladly take the 9% revenue. All day and every day. And I consider myself slightly business savvy. Have I been fooled by my friend?

9 percent is too low
should be more like 15-20 percent.

 

[Pakistani E]

9 percent is too low
should be more like 15-20 percent.

You are right of course. But we have nothing much to negotiate with. Beggars can't be choosers.

 

[qamar1990]

You are right of course. But we have nothing much to negotiate with. Beggars can't be choosers.

lmao true bro shame on us

 

[313ghazi]

Well that's a rubbish return. I can't believe the idiots agreed to it. I accept that the Chinese are investing all the money, but we are providing the opportunity, it might not be 50:50 but it shouldn't be 91:09 either. It's not we fought off a load of opposition to win the contract - the only other alternative was Iran-Afghanistan (or Pakistan).

There were a load of other options, but like always they messed up the deal. It's not like the rest of CPEC is free either, we're going to be paying back loans for the infrastructure! This is what happens when you have the begging bowl out all the time.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Fantastic Deal

China's GDP = 11-12 Trillion USD

Last year, exports and imports via Shanghai Port were valued at 6.9 trillion yuan (US$1 trillion), up just 1.5 per cent from 2015.




Now obviously , the port will take some time to reach that standard but with cooperation and hard work it will get there

Pakistan is quite happy with our Arrangement

9% on the Port
15% on Economic Zones
+Bonus infrastructure upgrades and setup of Economic Centers/Industrial Hub
+ Bonus Chinese companies moving business over to Pakistan

Thank you China

China knows what they are doing

 

[nang2]

9 percent is too low
should be more like 15-20 percent.

9% is too high. should be 0%. check what BOT investment means.

and it is 9% of revenue, not of profit. Chinese are bearing all the loss. It is like 9% of sales tax.

 

[MultaniGuy]

I wonder why some members are questioning this.
Its either something or nothing. Its development or nothing.

Something is better than nothing.

Its a good deal under BOT.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

There are two fold benefits

a) The Power projects (Hydral , Coal , Nuclear) will first of all help existing industries in Pakistan.These industries will become more efficient. Solving Water and Power issues is the biggest social problem.

• Reduction in electricity based curfews on industrial production
• Reduction in Reduced electricity supply to towns
• Increase in water conservation
• More efficiency in Textile industry
• The hydral project being the most important part of this segment

b) The secondary benefit is of course , from Gawadar port 9% and then Economic zones 15% (All Bonus)

• This of course is a longer term objective 3-5 years type project with year to year improvements in numbers includes the port
• Includes greater connectivity between economic zones and port to China

 

[Amir Ijaz]

At L

Do u honestly believe 1 trillion dollars of goods,most of it made in the Far east on Chinese coast,will travel thousands of kilometres(for example,Shenzen to Kashgar is 5,641 km by road),cross into Pakistan through Karakoram pass which is blocked for 6 months in an year,and will further travel 2500 km through Pakistan to reach Gwadar?
For example take the Suez Canal.More goods pass through it than they will from China to Pakistan in decades,and they certainly do not make 90 billion a year.Will Gwadar handle more trade than Suez Canal?

Just ask yourself 1 question-Why is Ahsan Iqbal hiding details of CPEC from public when he said he would share it a few days ago?

At least petrol can pass and we get toll on it.