China warns ASEAN on South China Sea row

[Apóllōn]

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

BEIJING: China warned Southeast Asian nations on Tuesday against “hyping” a dispute over the South China Sea, as it voiced opposition to the row being discussed at a regional security forum.

As the 10-nation Association of Southeast Asian Nations discussed forming a united position on the sensitive issue during a summit in Cambodia, China insisted the dispute should only be resolved directly between rival claimants.

“This South China Sea issue is not an issue between China and ASEAN, but between China and some ASEAN countries,” foreign ministry spokesman Liu Weimin told reporters. “Hyping the South China Sea issue is against the common aspirations of the people and the main trends of the time to seek development and cooperation, and is an attempt to take China-ASEAN relations hostage.”

China claims essentially all of the South China Sea, home to vital shipping lanes and believed to be rich in oil and gas deposits. Taiwan and ASEAN members the Philippines, Vietnam, Brunei and Malaysia also have claims to the waters. China recently angered Vietnam by inviting bids for exploration of oil blocks in contested waters. The Philippines has repeatedly accused China of becoming increasingly aggressive in staking its claim to the waters. As tensions with China have risen, the Philippines and Vietnam have sought to shore up ties with the United States. China’s navy on Tuesday started annual military exercises off its east coast, state media reported, amid tensions over maritime territorial disputes with its neighbours. “According to our annual plan for exercises, the Chinese People’s Liberation Army’s navy will in the coming days hold exercise activities in the waters near the Zhoushan islands,” the ministry said in a statement on Monday. The ministry provided no other details on the war games.

 

[Martian2]

China didn't want to bring out the big warships, Type 054A Jiangkai II frigates and Type 052C Lanzhou-class AESA destroyers.

However, the Filipinos and Vietnamese forced China's hand. They are the only two troublemakers and ASEAN is wise not to become involved in a stare-down with the PLA Navy.

Serious people know you do not confront China without a guaranteed 100% backing from the United States in writing. Otherwise, you'll just stumble into a war where the PLA will crush your country.

 

[Apóllōn]

China launches naval war games - thenews.com.pk

BEIJING: China’s navy will on Tuesday begin annual military exercises off its east coast, state media reported, amid tensions over maritime territorial disputes with its neighbours.

“According to our annual plan for exercises, the Chinese People’s Liberation Army’s navy will in the coming days hold exercise activities in the waters near the Zhoushan islands,” the ministry said in a statement on Monday.

The ministry provided no other details on the war games. But the China Daily said the live fire naval exercises would start on Tuesday and last for six days.

The Zhoushan islands lie in the East China Sea not far from the coastal city of Shanghai. The China Daily said the exercises would not be held in any waters also claimed by another country.

Last week, the ministry announced a ban on shipping and fishing vessels entering the designated exercise area, the paper said. The exercises come after Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda said on Saturday that Japan was considering buying a chain of islands at the centre of its bitter territorial dispute with China and Taiwan.

Those islands in the East China Sea are called Senkaku in Japanese and Diaoyu in Chinese, and are further to the east than the area where the imminent naval exercises are being planned.

China reacted angrily to Noda’s remarks, as both governments reiterated their claims over the islands.

China is locked in similarly tense disputes with Vietnam and the Philippines in the neighbouring South China Sea.

 

[Srinivas]

The plan is simple Divide and conquer. Asean should discuss the SCS issue as it is related to the security of International Shipping lanes. SCS is no longer a problem between China and some ASEAN countries.

 

[Martian2]

The plan is simple Divide and conquer. Asean should discuss the SCS issue as it is related to the security of International Shipping lanes. SCS is no longer a problem between China and some ASEAN countries.

I don't see India sending any warships to help.

Looks to me like it's an issue between China, Vietnam, and the Philippines only.

As I recall, your Indian admiral made it clear India could not compete with China militarily and specifically said that India was not seeking a confrontation with China. Are you disagreeing with Admiral Mehta?

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India-China military gap ‘too wide to bridge’: Navy chief

"India-China military gap ‘too wide to bridge’: Navy chief
August 10, 2009

Admiral Sureesh Mehta, while dismissing the idea of matching China militarily, ‘force for force’, saying the gap was ‘too wide to bridge’, called for ‘harnessing modern technology for developing high situational awareness and creating a reliable stand-off deterrent’ keeping in mind China’s space weapons and cyber warfare capability. At the same time he called for engagement as ‘cooperation with China was preferable to competition or conflict’.

The Indian Navy chief Admiral Sureesh Mehta today warned that contending with a rising China, especially in the light of the outstanding issues between India and China would be one of the ‘primary challenges’ before India. While he dismissed the idea of matching China militarily, ‘force for force’, saying the gap was ‘too wide to bridge’, he called for ‘harnessing modern technology for developing high situational awareness and creating a reliable stand-off deterrent’ keeping in mind China’s space weapons and cyber warfare capability. At the same time he called for engagement as ‘cooperation with China was preferable to competition or conflict’. He said this while addressing the National Maritime Foundation on National Security Challenges.

The Admiral said, “It is quite evident that coping with China will certainly be one of our primary challenges in the years ahead. China is in the process of ‘consolidating’ its comprehensive national power and creating formidable military capabilities. Once that is done, China is likely to be more assertive on its claims, especially on its immediate neighborhood.”

Explaining the challenge further he pointed out China’s space warfare capabilities hinting at the anti-satellite weapons capability that China is known to have as well as its capability for cyber warfare, especially keeping in mind the confidence shortfall between India and China. “Our ‘trust deficit’ with China can never be liquidated unless our boundary problems are resolved. China’s known propensity for ‘intervention in space’ and ‘cyber warfare’ would also be planning considerations in our strategic operational thinking,” he said. (article continues)"

 

[EastSea]

Asean seeks China agreement on South China Sea code

Cambodian PM Hun Sen said the South China Sea code was a key goal of the meeting.

 

[Martian2]

Asean seeks China agreement on South China Sea code

Cambodian PM Hun Sen said the South China Sea code was a key goal of the meeting.

I've already said this before: China will not sign any code of conduct that infringes on Chinese sovereignty over the South China Sea.

Also, a code of conduct is only a piece of paper. ASEAN has no blue water navy to speak of. When the PLA Navy comes for Vietnam, a piece of paper is no defense. I did mention the other worthless piece of paper, the Soviet-Vietnamese Friendship Treaty, in another thread.

Without hard military power, Vietnam is staring down a very large Chinese naval gun barrel.

China's Type 054A 76mm dual-purpose naval gun

 

[dunhill]

I've already said this before: China will not sign any code of conduct that infringes on Chinese sovereignty over the South China Sea.

Also, a code of conduct is only a piece of paper. ASEAN has no blue water navy to speak of. When the PLA Navy comes for Vietnam, a piece of paper is no defense. I did mention the other worthless piece of paper, the Soviet-Vietnamese Friendship Treaty, in another thread.

Without hard military power, Vietnam is staring down a very large Chinese naval gun barrel.

China's Type 054A 76mm dual-purpose naval gun

Is that gun really made in China by the way? If it 100% made in China then I could stand in front of that gun and let Chinese Navy start to shoot me. I'll live due to gun "made in China" caused "jammed" and defected by "Illegal Copy".Most of Chinese troops has died in Viet Nam due to "unlicensed copy" weapons, so 1000 shots equal 1 wounded. Remember?

 

[Martian2]

Is that gun really made in China by the way? If it 100% made in China then I could stand in front of that gun and let Chinese Navy start to shoot me. I'll live due to gun "made in China" caused "jammed" and defected by "Illegal Copy".Most of Chinese troops has died in Viet Nam due to "unlicensed copy" weapons, so 1000 shots equal 1 wounded. Remember?

You're just gibbering and I'm ignoring you, unless you say something serious.

On a professional defense forum, we discuss serious military issues and supplement them with relevant citations. You Vietnamese have set an extremely low standard.

You pretend as if hundreds of Vietnamese marines did not die on Johnson Reef in 1988 at the receiving end of a Chinese frigate's naval gun. Remember now?

 

[EastSea]

I've already said this before: China will not sign any code of conduct that infringes on Chinese sovereignty over the South China Sea.

Also, a code of conduct is only a piece of paper. ASEAN has no blue water navy to speak of. When the PLA Navy comes for Vietnam, a piece of paper is no defense. I did mention the other worthless piece of paper, the Soviet-Vietnamese Friendship Treaty, in another thread.

Without hard military power, Vietnam is staring down a very large Chinese naval gun barrel.

China's Type 054A 76mm dual-purpose naval gun

It's true post of Martian2 boy with imposant photo. 76mm gun looked like canon.

For us it's important that paper is available on table. China will sign or not ? let the game is going on.

 

[dunhill]

You're just gibbering and I'm ignoring you, unless you say something serious.

On a professional defense forum, we discuss serious military issues and supplement them with relevant citations. You Vietnamese have set an extremely low standard.

I am serious so do you? Or you just can not accepting that China's did "Illegal Copy" as I stated above. Like I said, if its could identical that 100% "Made in China" then I will stand in front of that canon.