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CHINA WANTS TO QUESTION AGNI-V LAUNCH AT UN SECURITY COUNCIL


I asked you to quote Mughal literature and not fairy tells on which movies and serials are made. come up with reliable reference. There was no charector named as Jodha bai who was a wife of Akabar.

Present day pakistan is always ruled by outsiders. your king raja dahir was defeated by arabs in 7th century,since then it was ruled by outsiders(arabs,moghuls,british)


Yes, the same raja dahir who gave refuge to prophet Mohammad's family and he was killed by Muslim invader who is a hero of Pakistanis. One who killed prophet Mohamad’s descendants is a hero for Pakistanis and he is hailed like anything in Pakistani text.
 
India can drop out of UN today. UN would continue to operate just fine. Don't get me wrong. India is an important country. And it's importance is about equal to that of Pakistan.

Indeed. That's why you trade so much with India and are nearly colonising Pakistan through your 8-16% loans. Oh now you even have launched a program called Colonising Pakistan to Enrich China, eh?

I'd say Pakistan is a lot more important than India. Just like India was important for the British Empire.

Slaves are important. Very important....and maids too. Aren't they?
 
Who cares what china thinks......in few years india will have 12000KM icbm
 
Pakistan never made a movie about becoming a superpower. India did.
How is this even remotely related to the topic?? Making a movie about becoming a superpower and UN can do without you is related only on one paradise...do you know which one??
 
On topic though, it's interesting that previously Pakistan would constantly object to India's tests and China was content with it as that implied that India wasn't in China''s league. But now, it is China that is reacting while Pakistan realizes that India is out of its league! Now, that is progress.
 
On topic though, it's interesting that previously Pakistan would constantly object to India's tests and China was content with it as that implied that India wasn't in China''s league. But now, it is China that is reacting while Pakistan realizes that India is out of its league! Now, that is progress.

Did it ever occur to you that why would Pakistan contest something which is not directed at them? India already covers the entire Pakistan. As for being out of our league good luck with that. Don't know what made you believe that but hey whatever floats the boat.
 
Actually whenever Pakistan test any arm. Indians start to find comparable chinese system to blame Pakistani technology a copy without any proof.
Whenever indians test any arm.Indians start to find the world best technology and compare it with it to prove it is more better than the best.

I salute indians for their great comparing abilities even when they know that Babur is an improved copy of US Tomhawk missile.



Originally Posted by http://www.anomalous-images.com/news/news245.html
Pakistanis Say They Are Studying U.S. Missile
Tomahawk Reportedly Was Recovered After Raid on Camps in Afghanistan


By Kamran Khan
Special to The Washington Post
Friday, August 28, 1998

KARACHI, Pakistan, Aug. 27—Pakistani scientists and weapons experts are studying components salvaged from an American cruise missile that landed last week in southern Pakistan, security sources said today. They expressed optimism that they could unlock technological secrets that will advance Pakistan's missile program.

Officials said experts associated with Pakistan's civilian and military missile programs were inspecting the guidance system, onboard computer and propulsion system of the Tomahawk missile, which was fired Aug. 20 in the U.S. attack on camps in Afghanistan but apparently fell short of its target.

Some sources indicated that information obtained by examining the missile might be shared with China, Pakistan's ally, but officials refused to comment on that possibility.

A Pakistani official speaking on condition of anonymity said the find was "a jackpot" that included the satellite global positioning system and other technological improvements made to Tomahawks since the 1991 Persian Gulf War. "We have missile experts who would most certainly demonstrate a remarkable job of reverse engineering" and develop technological know-how that Pakistan lacks, the official said.

Pakistan reported earlier this week that it had recovered the missile Saturday near Kharan, about 370 miles south of the targeted camps in Afghanistan. Pentagon officials have declined to confirm that a missile landed in Pakistan or to comment on the implications for Pakistan and China which hope to acquire cruise missiles.

The Pakistani sources noted with some surprise that the missile was largely intact when it was discovered. Sources in Washington said the Tomahawk might not have detonated because the arming mechanism is not activated until minutes before the missile reaches its target.

Retired Lt. Gen. Thomas G. McInerney said he doubted the Pakistani claims. When cruise missiles crash, he said, "its like dropping a Waterford crystal glass. They are designed to do a lot of things, but they aren't designed to bounce. They are very fragile." What did not break apart on impact would probably have been burned by the missile's fuel which would ignite on impact, he said.

U.S. defense officials also scoffed at the notion that the Pakistanis had gained an intelligence windfall, suggesting that the Tomahawk's technology already is widely available and noting that the loss of several such missiles during the Persian Gulf War is not known to have produced any breakthroughs for Iraq.

But a ranking security official in Islamabad, the Pakistani capital, pointed out that restrictions on technological transfers between the United States and Pakistan have been in effect for nearly a decade. Since 1990, when Washington cut military aid because it believed Pakistan had developed a nuclear bomb, information that the Pentagon might readily provide to another nation would have been harder to come by here, he said.

"It is a gift from the God," the official said. "The country that had denied us all sorts of economic and military assistance has suddenly gifted us the weapon of choice from its arsenal."

He voiced a note of caution, however, saying: "This will definitely enhance our knowledge about the latest missile technology, but how much -- it is too early to predict."

Other sources also acknowledged that they were unlikely to extract enough information from the Tomahawk components to be able to reproduce such a missile. They said, however, that their need for the kind of advanced weaponry found in U.S. arsenals is limited, and that they would be happy for even limited gains in missile technology.

"Pakistan is not the global player," one official said, adding that its defense needs are geared more toward dealing with "its arch-rival that lives next door."

Tensions between Pakistan and neighboring India, with which it has fought three wars in the last 51 years, have been high since both nations tested nuclear devices in May. While their nuclear programs have been the focus of world attention since the tests, the rivals' competition to develop more advanced, longer-range missiles has been almost as intense.

Officials declined to comment on whether Pakistan might share any discoveries with China, a close ally that the United States has repeatedly accused of helping Pakistan with its missile program.

Gen. Jehangir Karamat, the Pakistani army's chief of staff who heads the joint chiefs of staff, is currently touring China. A senior official at army headquarters said today that Karamat has been briefed on the initial reports from Pakistani scientists on the Tomahawk missile. "In view of extremely close ties between the two military services," the official said, he would be surprised if the findings were not discussed with Chinese officials.

U.S. government and private cruise missile experts said that while an intact Tomahawk would be of limited benefit to the Pakistanis, it could be of significant help to the more advanced Chinese military.

Of most immediate concern, said K. Scott McMahon, a national security expert with Pacific-Sierra Research Corp., an Arlington-based defense consultant firm, would be the ability of the Chinese to incorporate the missile's radar image into the air defense systems it sells to such nations as Albania, Iran, North Korea and Pakistan. "It would enable the Chinese to enhance their air defense system against what is arguably the most serious missile threat out there," he said. "The air defense implications for the Chinese are something we have to be seriously concerned about."

Experts said the Chinese have the technological know-how to study and to eventually copy the missile's guidance system, which matches photographic images of a target and surrounding terrain against the actual terrain it flies over. It also incorporates a satellite-based global positioning system.

The Chinese also could gain useful knowledge from studying the missile's airframe material, electronics, warhead and turbo-fan engine, experts said.

Staff writers Dana Priest and Bradley Graham in Washington contributed to this report.

© Copyright 1998 The Washington Post Company


i also went even more times on this topic where some indian was trying to prove that Pakistan produce 0% components of babur.

Actually your post blows Pakistani claims out of water
Retired Lt. Gen. Thomas G. McInerney said he doubted the Pakistani claims. When cruise missiles crash, he said, "its like dropping a Waterford crystal glass. They are designed to do a lot of things, but they aren't designed to bounce. They are very fragile." What did not break apart on impact would probably have been burned by the missile's fuel which would ignite on impact, he said.

Anyways this Associated Press video from 1998 crash site makes it clear the tomahawk missile was in bits and pieces.
An eyewitness also confirms the same.

 
This would not make a lot of difference to India. It knows that China will oppose Agni development, as it effects its security.
 
What 5 taboos of Buddhism.
The Five Principles of Peace were first written by Premier Zhou Enlai of China on December 31, 1953.
Source:
http://www.zhouenlaipeaceinstitute.org/en/five-principles-of-peace-2/
More Indian claims :disagree:

The 5 taboos.....
The Five Precepts (Pali: pañcasīlāni; Sanskrit pañcaśīlāni[1]) constitute the basic code of ethics undertaken by upāsaka and upāsikā ("lay followers") of Buddhism. The precepts in all the traditions are essentially identical and are commitments to abstain from harming living beings, stealing, sexual misconduct, lying and intoxication. A precept is a general rule intended to regulate behaviour or thought.

“Five Taboos” in the ancient Buddhist scriptures governing the personal behaviour were given by Gautam Buddha.

gautama-buddha-1.jpg


To be fair, why talk about nuclear proliferation? where did India get its nuclear know-how from?

Republic of India is not having Nuclear proliferation record .
 
China should also use this to get India out of MCTR as well.

China's global clout will certainly play a major role in revoking India's MCTR membership
 
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