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Two Reform Stories, Two Floods

It's the rainy season in many parts of Asia, and over the past month India's Uttarakhand state and China's Sichuan province have been especially hard hit by floods. The contrast between the two holds a development lesson.

The Uttarakhand government announced Tuesday that 5,700 missing are now presumed dead, bringing the death toll from the flash flooding in mid-June to more than 6,000. Around the city of Dujiangyan in Sichuan, some 300 are currently listed as dead and missing.

From those figures you might think that India got the worst of mother Nature's fury, yet the rain in China was considerably more severe—between 800 and 1,150 millimeters in the worst-affected areas, according to the Sichuan Provincial Meteorological Administration. India's National Institute of Disaster Management reported 300 millimeters in the Devprayag area where most deaths occurred.

A caveat: Comparisons of floods are always inexact, not least because of differing topography. Melt water from the Himalayas also added to the disaster in India, and many pilgrims were visiting the area.

Nevertheless, the difference in the number of fatalities is striking. It roughly parallels the development levels of the two regions, with Sichuan residents earning more than $4,000 per year on average, compared to $1,400 in Uttarkhand.

That is no coincidence. A 2005 paper by UCLA economist Matthew E. Kahn showed a strong correlation between poverty and deaths from natural disasters. For instance, a 10% increase in per capita GDP decreases a nation's earthquake deaths by 5.3%. In 2010, earthquakes in the Americas proved this accurate: A magnitude 7.0 quake killed 220,000 in impoverished Haiti, while a much stronger 8.8 quake in Chile a month later only killed 500.

More controversially, Mr. Kahn found that democracy was barely statistically significant as a predictor of deaths from natural disasters. The governmental measures that mattered most were rule of law, control of corruption, voice and accountability, regulatory quality and protection against expropriation. These factors also correlated with deaths from industrial disasters, while income levels were less important.

Other researchers have found that democracy does make a difference. But there is little disagreement that economic development and more responsive government institutions save lives. In India's flooding last month, poor supervision of construction work for a hydroelectric dam is blamed for many of the deaths.

China is still in the middle ranks of development, and the hundreds of children who died in shoddily constructed schools during the 2008 Sichuan earthquake are a reminder that it has plenty of room for improvement. Nevertheless, the story of these two floods suggest Delhi's leaders should feel greater shame. China began its economic reforms 12 years earlier than India and moved faster to deregulate its economy. The survivors in Sichuan are proof that it has paid off.

To recap in Sichuan China there was 800mm to 1150mm rain and caused 300 dead and missing. In Uttarakhand India with only 300mm rain has caused 6000 dead or missing. Despite the rain in Uttarakhand India being 3 to 4 times less intense then in Sinchuan China India sufferd 20 times more casualties.

Review & Outlook: Two Reform Stories, Two Floods - WSJ.com
 
understandably wrong article. journos never get the big picture before mouthing off.

The causalities in india happened because the area was mountainous. valleys were blocked, people were trapped and the landslides did the rest. there was no road connection at all. IAF had to mount one of the largest heli rescue missions in history to get the survivors out. china dint have the same problems as far as i know.

IAF sets a world record with Uttarakhand rescue that saved 20,000 civilians in an astonishing 2,140 missions | Mail Online
 
understandably wrong article. journos never get the big picture before mouthing off.

The causalities in india happened because the area was mountainous. valleys were blocked, people were trapped and the landslides did the rest. there was no road connection at all. IAF had to mount one of the largest heli rescue missions in history to get the survivors out. china dint have the same problems as far as i know.

IAF sets a world record with Uttarakhand rescue that saved 20,000 civilians in an astonishing 2,140 missions | Mail Online


Thats a good point, plus in a situation like I am sure all governments do their utmost to rescue the survivors. Out of respect for the casualties we shouldn't be comparing such issues.
 
To recap in Sichuan China there was 800mm to 1150mm rain and caused 300 dead and missing. In Uttarakhand India with only 300mm rain has caused 6000 dead or missing. Despite the rain in Uttarakhand India being 3 to 4 times less intense then in Sinchuan China India sufferd 20 times more casualties.

Review & Outlook: Two Reform Stories, Two Floods - WSJ.com

The large toll is also because of two more reasons.

1. Steep mountainous terrain (deadly to climb even in normal conditions)
2. It is a pilgrimage site usually very old people visit the site as their last journey.

Am not trying to justify anything here and i agree with economic progress man becomes more and more shielded to natures fury as the article points out.
 
Only Idiots will try to score some brownie points here. Understand first that entire Uttrakhand is situated in Himalayas and entire region is mountainous. Literally all roads/bridges were washed off and there were hundreds of cloud brusts all across the state.
 
understandably wrong article. journos never get the big picture before mouthing off.

The causalities in india happened because the area was mountainous. valleys were blocked, people were trapped and the landslides did the rest. there was no road connection at all. IAF had to mount one of the largest heli rescue missions in history to get the survivors out. china dint have the same problems as far as i know.

I guess you know nothing about Sichuan province, the whole area is like a bowl surrounded by mountains. The area hit was within the same disaster zone as the 2008 Earthquakes 5 years ago.

Ever wondered why people from Sichuan like to eat spicy food? Its because of the hot and damp climate that gets trapped by the geography, eating spicy food help to counter that.

To the indian member trying to justify the ridiculous casualty toll, geography isn't an excuse, lack of planning and inadequate execution is.
 
I guess you know nothing about Sichuan province, the whole area is like a bowl surrounded by mountains. The area hit was within the same disaster zone as the 2008 Earthquakes 5 years ago.

Ever wondered why people from Sichuan like to eat spicy food? Its because of the hot and damp climate that gets trapped by the geography, eating spicy food help to counter that.

To the indian member trying to justify the ridiculous casualty toll, geography isn't an excuse, lack of planning and inadequate execution is.

Many of the causalities are not the local population but the pilgrims who visit the temples there. People who are living in their houses have more chances of survival during a flood rather than people who are travelling through treacherous ghat roads.
 
I guess you know nothing about Sichuan province, the whole area is like a bowl surrounded by mountains. The area hit was within the same disaster zone as the 2008 Earthquakes 5 years ago.

Ever wondered why people from Sichuan like to eat spicy food? Its because of the hot and damp climate that gets trapped by the geography, eating spicy food help to counter that.

To the indian member trying to justify the ridiculous casualty toll, geography isn't an excuse, lack of planning and inadequate execution is.

People with a higher income tend to have a higher standard of planning, zoning, and building code with enforcement of the same.
 
Height of stupidity.
If they want compare then they compare with disaster management not disaster.
 
Another example of India need to build up its infrastructure to anticipate disasters instead of wasting all the money on TOT purchases that it cannot do anything with. Also, TOT could delay arms purchase and create tension with the foreign suppliers.

Height of stupidity.
If they want compare then they compare with disaster management not disaster.

They compare disaster prevention.
 
OMG !!!! Trying to score points on even natural disasters ..... Get a life chinese trollers .
 
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