China vs India flood 2013

[jbond197]

Uttarakhand death toll was high definitely because of lack of planning at the holy site. Most of the places in uttarakhand are not developed to handle the kind of people visit there. This is a real issue and no one should try to push it under the carpet as there are chances it may come back haunting us again. Uttarakhand needs a major revamp. Hope this disaster teaches our administration something and the shameless politicians don't simply ask people to pray to god to escape nature's fury.

I wish no one dies either in China or India if furious floods hits us again in future .

 

[Contrarian]

I think its just comparison for comparison's sake.

Nothing much to offer really. The topography is very different, very different circumstances.

Though ofcourse the point can be made that Uttarakhand's govt was very very lax and ineffective...the Armed Forces saved the day.

 

[faithfulguy]

I think its just comparison for comparison's sake.

Nothing much to offer really. The topography is very different, very different circumstances.

Though ofcourse the point can be made that Uttarakhand's govt was very very lax and ineffective...the Armed Forces saved the day.

How has the arm force saved the day when there are 6000 deaths? Sometimes, its ok to look at the positives as there were many that were saved. But in reality, there should have been better preparedness and infra to prevent all the deaths. New Orleans was already below sea level, a levee broke and there were around 1000 deaths. If New Orleans were in India and the same Katrina hit India, the death toll will be much higher. So the comparison of development level and poverty compare to death toll is valid. India need to develop further to decrease death by natural disaster.

 

[Contrarian]

How has the arm force saved the day when there are 6000 deaths?

Because they are not God who can protect everyone in the blink of an eye.

Had they not been there, it would have been 17000 deaths. There were 17,000 civilians trapped in the mountains. India's, and possibly Asia's largest peace time evacuation was done by ONE agency - the Indian Air Force.

Sometimes, its ok to look at the positives as there were many that were saved. But in reality, there should have been better preparedness and infra to prevent all the deaths. New Orleans was already below sea level, a levee broke and there were around 1000 deaths. If New Orleans were in India and the same Katrina hit India, the death toll will be much higher. So the comparison of development level and poverty compare to death toll is valid. India need to develop further to decrease death by natural disaster.

Ofcourse it is.
No one is saying that there should not have been better planning and management.

But the article makes a comparison where none exists. The topography in the Himalayas make it 10 times more difficult than any other place in the world.

 

[faithfulguy]

Because they are not God who can protect everyone in the blink of an eye.

Had they not been there, it would have been 17000 deaths. There were 17,000 civilians trapped in the mountains. India's, and possibly Asia's largest peace time evacuation was done by ONE agency - the Indian Air Force.


Ofcourse it is.
No one is saying that there should not have been better planning and management.

But the article makes a comparison where none exists. The topography in the Himalayas make it 10 times more difficult than any other place in the world.

Even with the same topography in the US, because of our infra, development and regulations, the death toll would hardly less than 100. This death are cause by bad government and development, less so than the geography.

 

[huskie]

let's show some respect to the victims and stop exploiting the unfortunate disasters for any agenda.

 

[Jackdaws]

Are these official Chinese figures? We don't know how reliable those are - after all it is a communist state which gags its media. For all we know 10x the amount may have died.

 

[nair]

Well Now compare natural disaster?????????????? This is insane!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I dono what is the author trying to prove here? Ok i give him his brownie point.......

 

[cirr]

understandably wrong article. journos never get the big picture before mouthing off.

The causalities in india happened because the area was mountainous. valleys were blocked, people were trapped and the landslides did the rest. there was no road connection at all. IAF had to mount one of the largest heli rescue missions in history to get the survivors out. china dint have the same problems as far as i know.

IAF sets a world record with Uttarakhand rescue that saved 20,000 civilians in an astonishing 2,140 missions | Mail Online

So you think Sichuan province is not mountainous？

The western part of Sichuan，where downfall-induced flood killed hundreds and made millions homeless，is the eastern edge of the Qinghai-Tibetan Plateau。In addition，the Hengduan Mountains，the pics of which can be seem by clicking the link below，also runs south to north in the affected area。

http://baike.baidu.com/albums/127112/127112/1/3206456.html#3206456$

Just tell me if it is mountainous enough for you。

As was the case in India，landslides or geologic hazards were by far the biggest killers in the recent flood。

As far as disater relief capacity and efficiency is concerned，China is streets ahead of India。

 

[cirr]

Are these official Chinese figures? We don't know how reliable those are - after all it is a communist state which gags its media. For all we know 10x the amount may have died.

Your mindless hatred towards China has blinded you。

And you think your inept goverment and silly press tell you the truth，nothing but truth？

LOL。Stop fooling your self。

By the way，the very mechanism of so-called democracy ensures that a swindler whom you call the President or the PM gets elected by a bunch of fools。

 

[Nike]

There is no point to compare death toll was caused by Natural disaster, when disaster happens it is our responsibility to bring help and everything aid measure we can offer for the victims.

 

[Manindra]

Another example of India need to build up its infrastructure to anticipate disasters instead of wasting all the money on TOT purchases that it cannot do anything with. Also, TOT could delay arms purchase and create tension with the foreign suppliers.



They compare disaster prevention.

Where its come defence. India has right to squeeze up maximum gains in a deal if it gain more through TOT then it should gain it. Its not others business. All countries do same. Even without ToT their are several defence deals who was very late with help of our bureaucracy. If someone have problem with ToT clause then simply they quit the tender.
India is not a dictatorial regime which focus only on defence. There are fix share for every sector & defence sector spend their own allotted money not source it from other sector's share. This is simple rule of political administration neither we divert other sector's share in defence neither we outsource defence sector's money to other sectors.
Uttarakhand disaster could be prevented if our bureaucracy are active but due to their neglience & so called environmentolists who force to halt building Dam work this unfortunate disaster happened.

 

[Nan Yang]

Lots of people in Asia drown because of flood because most Asian cannot swim.

Once saw a video of a man clinging to bushes and VERY slowly drifting between two buildings. He could not even move himself towards the window of the building. And people inside the building could not do much except trying to reach out to he with long sticks.

If you could swim you could easily jump in and pull him out. The current was that slow. He eventually drifted out of sight and maybe into the river.

I even read that over half of Singapore National serviceman could not swim.

 

[Nike]

Lots of people in Asia drown because of flood because most Asian cannot swim.

Once saw a video of a man clinging to bushes and VERY slowly drifting between two buildings. He could not even move himself towards the window of the building. And people inside the building could not do much except trying to reach out to he with long sticks.

If you could swim you could easily jump in and pull him out. The current was that slow. He eventually drifted out of sight and maybe into the river.

I even read that over half of Singapore National serviceman could not swim.

Not in Indonesia though

 

[Jackdaws]

Your mindless hatred towards China has blinded you。

And you think your inept goverment and silly press tell you the truth，nothing but truth？

LOL。Stop fooling your self。

By the way，the very mechanism of so-called democracy ensures that a swindler whom you call the President or the PM gets elected by a bunch of fools。

Yes, I can see why someone living a Communist nation would hold such views. I don't blame you.