China uses Pakistan to blunt India's NSG membership bid

[Areesh]

Jab do sheikh baat kar rahe ho toh ghulam khidmat se wasta rakhe , gustaakh.chal bhaag yahaan se.

1 shiekh hai. Doosra bharati landora hai. Chal modi ko bol kai 2 chai banaye. Chal phut.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Let's go by what DPRK tested.That wasn't a TN PRC is playing with fire but PRC is not a fool.Quite a paradox.Oh & btw - DPRK & your bumchum just sealed their fates with the last test.It would be fun to see the US take them out with PRC playing bystander once more .You know what we call bystanders like the PRC .I won't name names .Guess




Jab do sheikh baat kar rahe ho toh ghulam khidmat se wasta rakhe , gustaakh.chal bhaag yahaan se.

If you believe that, then why is India constantly boasting about "surgical strikes" against Pakistan, while the whole world watches India back down time and time again.

 

[Indiran Chandiran]

AP too.

Indian forces were catastrophically defeated at AP, far worse than the western sector.

It was only because China left voluntarily that they still have it today.

Zhomnguo left "voluntarily" because they couldn't hold Tawang for long .They made a wise decision.

 

[Areesh]

AP too.

Indian forces were catastrophically defeated at AP, far worse than the western sector.

It was only because China left voluntarily that they still have it today.

Capturing Tawang was easiest thing in the whole war for China. It was China itself who didn't capture it.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Zhomnguo left "voluntarily" because they couldn't hold Tawang for long .They made a wise decision.

The point is India did not win it back by force, they waited crying until China left on our own, then they snuck in.

India's defeat in AP was far worse than anything in the Aksai Chin region. India literally collapsed in the eastern sector.

 

[Indiran Chandiran]

1 shiekh hai. Doosra bharati landora hai. Chal modi ko bol kai 2 chai banaye. Chal phut.

Thatte kitne bhi bade hi woh xxxx ke neeche ho rehtaa hain.jaise pehle amreeka ke aur phir cheen ke.

 

[Areesh]

Thatte kitne bhi bade ho woh xxxx ke neeche ho rehtaa hain.jaise pehle amreeka ke aur phir cheen ke.

Jis kai bhi hain. Teri tarah baghair tattai ka mulk to nahi hain

 

[Indiran Chandiran]

The point is India did not win it back by force, they waited crying until China left on our own, then they snuck in.

India's defeat in AP was far worse than anything in the Aksai Chin region. India literally collapsed in the eastern sector.

Pray , please explain to me why did Zhonnguo abandon Tawang & is now reclaiming it.Hope CCP isn't smoking what caused those epic wars with the British beginning your century of humiliation.Oh yes , that thing is question was imported from India.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Pray , please explain to me why did Zhonnguo abandon Tawang & is now reclaiming it.Hope CCP isn't smoking what caused those epic wars with the British beginning your century of humiliation.Oh yes , that thing is question was imported from India.

You know India did not even exist until the British created you guys right?

Before that, the subcontinent was filled with hundreds of independent kingdoms.

And you never won your independence with a fight, you begged for it. Same as how you begged to get back AP, and how you are now begging to get the NSG seat.

 

[Nilgiri]

No the accusation is that we TESTED nuclear warheads on Pakistan's behalf.

Which means that any of our large number of thermonuclear tests could have been for Pakistan.

And given the time period, Chinese warheads tended to be around 4-5 megatons a piece, enough to take out a megacity in one shot.

Compare that to India's total arsenal, which has been estimated at only 1 megaton TOTAL.

No intelligence agency world over has picked up on that using the data collated from China's tests.

The only one that stood out was a sudden standard fission test in the middle of only tests the Chinese were doing in the 80s....that rang many alarm bells. It was probably a Pakistani variant of the CHIC-4 design.

Chinese Thermonuclear bombs are not based on the CHIC-4 primary...and no one detected any CHIC-4 based thermonuclear tests either (such a device would have to be developed specifically by the Chinese for the Pakistanis).

You don't get to pick and choose primaries and secondaries for whatever combination you want....and neither would you give the game up by giving a fully mated thermo-design away either....even the Soviets didn't when they were best buddies with Mao.....and the time of the major proliferation from China to Pakistan occured when Pakistan was a strong US ally. You do the natural logic (remembering the Chinese would have kept in mind what Ayub Khan was like for them).....combined with what is needed for deterrence. It was a hedge and provision of minimum deterrence with least chance of long term blowback on the Chinese....a TN design would upset all of that greatly.

Oh and your 1 megaton number is off, you have no idea how many 200kt TN's India has in its arsenal....and you should not be eager to find out.

 

[Pandora]

India can import nuclear technology, but cannot export. Pakistan can neither import -- except from China -- nor export. Sounds like NSG is more important for Pakistan than India, but, in the end, both countries want membership. So why not let both countries in at the same time and end this meaningless drama?

But this is the key stumbling block for India's and Pakistan's membership:



Even though China is raising the issuing on non-NPT states seeking to joining, this issue is very prevalent among other NSG members as well. So if even China allows India and Pakistan in, other countries may still block.

I think it's all BS. The nuclear genie is out of the bottle. NSG members should realize that India and Pakistan will never, ever sign NPT. So why continue with this charade? Time to get realistic.

Bottom line is we are getting what we want regardless. Even if there were multiple options available we would still opt for Chinese option due to its cost effectiveness.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...ar-reactor-in-essex-after-hinkley-deal-appro/

Even UK is opting for Chinese option so whats next?

 

[Indiran Chandiran]

Jis kai bhi hain. Teri tarah baghair tattai ka mulk to nahi hain

Beta, tumhare hote toh ab tak operation Gibraltar part 2 hua hotaa.Woh to ek pathan - ayub khan aur doosra ek mohajir - musharraf hi kar sakte the.Panjabi sirf baaton ke Sher hain.Bakte jao.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

No intelligence agency world over has picked up on that using the data collated from China's tests.

The only one that stood out was a sudden standard fission test in the middle of only tests the Chinese were doing in the 80s....that rang many alarm bells. It was probably a Pakistani variant of the CHIC-4 design.

Chinese Thermonuclear bombs are not based on the CHIC-4 primary...and no one detected any CHIC-4 based thermonuclear tests either (such a device would have to be developed specifically by the Chinese for the Pakistanis).

You don't get to pick and choose primaries and secondaries for whatever combination you want....and neither would you give the game up by giving a fully mated thermo-design.

So you think we tested nuclear weapons for Pakistan, but for some reason, despite having thermonuclear tech for a long time... we decided to only test fission bombs for them, not thermonuclear ones.

If you think so, go ahead with those "surgical strikes" and you'll find out soon enough.

 

[Areesh]

Beta, tumhare hote toh ab tak operation Gibraltar part 2 hua hotaa.Woh to ek pathan - ayub khan aur doosra ek mohajir - musharraf hi kar sakte the.Panjabi sirf baaton ke Sher hain.Bakte jao.

Main bhi munnai muhajir hoon.

Jo bhi hai. Tumharai to lagta hai kahin gum ho gaye hain. Mil kar hi nahi dai rahai.

 

[Indiran Chandiran]

You know India did not even exist until the British created you guys right?

Before that, the subcontinent was filled with hundreds of independent kingdoms.

And you never won your independence with a fight, you begged for it. Same as how you begged to get back AP, and how you are now begging to get the NSG seat.

From trolling , you've degenerated to lying now.please show me when did India beg you for either Tawang or NSG ?

Btw - isn't PRC today the exact shape & size of the Manchu kingdom.The Manchus who overthrew the last Han kingdom - the Mings in the 17 th century & married into the Ming royal family to gain respectability. Are you guys sure it was only a century of humiliation ?