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Before we go to the next stage , first you need to tell me where is your source of this 5 came from?Based on this "5", wouldn't it be 20 years based on your "simple math problem"?

:pop:Carry on please.

China is preparing 5 J-20 2104-2108 in 2016, that is by a report in sinanews

http://mil.news.sina.com.cn/jssd/2016-01-11/doc-ifxnkkuy7894954.shtml

量产型歼-20战斗机目前除了曝光的2101、2102、2103号机,应该还有2104、2105、2106、2107、2108号正在进行最后的组装

However, at this stage, all I can find is 2101, and today is 2017, I don't know if anyone had captured J-20 s/n 2108 fly anywhere In China, maybe I did not look hard enough or maybe I simply just don't care. But as far as I see, China does not make more than 5 a year, at 2016, and since today is 2017, so the LRIP rate for J-20 in 2016 is 1 to 5 (Claimed)

Of course, LRIP cannot stay 5 or 10 a year, it grow by year, hence my projection is 8, which, again, coming from the F-35 timeline. Where the US build 001 to 100 in 7 years time.

They are the system has already fitted on the latest attack sub which is bring build. I know you will be selective in comprehend the info. :enjoy:

lol, do tell me which article and which expert claim China currently operate IEPS system on Sub.

It's not that I selective on info, but there are no info pointing the other way.
 
You need a better place instead of Sina.

Better place? Your "10 per year" is not even with Sinablog, how do I know China is building 10 J-20 a year? Because you said so??
 
You do know the projected LRIP Production of J-20 this year is 5.
Key word 5 "THIS YEAR" btw?Secondly, don't go to Sina,it is an advise, whether you take it or not.
 
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Key word 5 "THIS YEAR" btw?Secondly, don't go to Sina,it is an advise, whether you take it or not.

PROJECTED LIRP Rate this year.

It's ALWAYS CALCUATED by looking at how stuff was last year, Do you even know the meaning of "PROJECTED"?

You can only know how many J-20 China produced in 2017 on Jan 1 2018, today is Jun 9 2017, All I or any people can do is to look at HOW MANY J-20 BEING PRODUCED in 2016 and put an estimation. They Claim they made 5 J-20 (I am only ever seeing 1 by the way) in the whole 2016, so how many you think China can make in 2017 and based on what? May I remind you, you don't just put this number up based on a good feeling.
 
lol F-35 not working properly? Did they tell the UK, Italy, Japan, Turkey about it? Because beside US, Japan, Italy and Turkey are building their own F-35 at the moment.

Like they have other option for a 4.75 gen fighter?

And actually many of the so-called F-35 parnter try to downsize the order as well.

Italy cuts order for F-35 combat jets

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-17042065

Canada's F-35 Decision Poised To Shake Up Fighter Jet Market

http://www.defensenews.com/story/de...ket-israel-italy-eurofighter-rafale/74455726/

http://inhomelandsecurity.com/first-foreign-made-usaf-f-35b-fighter/
https://www.themanufacturer.com/articles/bae-systems-behind-the-scenes-of-the-f-35-fighter/
http://nationalinterest.org/blog/th...ts-very-first-f-35-joint-strike-fighter-21018

You do know F-35 is now in Production stage, not Low Rate Production Stage, there are, at this point, 231 F-35 ALREADY built and another 24 in the pipeline around the world, J-20 is not in the same league....

US has been researching for 6th gen in about 4 years, concept around 7, how long ago did Chinese start 6th Gen Aircraft Project, if at all??

lol, 10 a year. How many year that will take to make it 100? Your answer? 5.....

LOL, aren't Chinese are supposed to be good at maths?

'Price tag is the only thing stealthy about the F-35': scathing new report tears the F-35 to shreds

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/price-tag-only-thing-stealthy-181104453.html

Test Pilot: The F-35 Can't Dogfight Worth a Damn

http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a16248/test-pilot-f35-cant-dogfight/

The F-35 Is a $1.4-Trillion National Disaster

http://warisboring.com/the-f-35-is-...and-attacker-and-unfit-for-aircraft-carriers/

I am actually quite optimistic to suggest F-35 could fix all its mess in 10 years, it may turn out to be it takes decades if ever to fix all the problems listed.
 
Like they have other option for a 4.75 gen fighter?

And actually many of the so-called F-35 parnter try to downsize the order as well.

Italy cuts order for F-35 combat jets

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-17042065

Canada's F-35 Decision Poised To Shake Up Fighter Jet Market

http://www.defensenews.com/story/de...ket-israel-italy-eurofighter-rafale/74455726/



'Price tag is the only thing stealthy about the F-35': scathing new report tears the F-35 to shreds

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/price-tag-only-thing-stealthy-181104453.html

Test Pilot: The F-35 Can't Dogfight Worth a Damn

http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a16248/test-pilot-f35-cant-dogfight/

The F-35 Is a $1.4-Trillion National Disaster

http://warisboring.com/the-f-35-is-...and-attacker-and-unfit-for-aircraft-carriers/

I am actually quite optimistic to give F-35 to fix all its mess, it may turn out to be, take decades if ever to fix all the problems listed.

Yeah, putting out news that 2 to 5 years old and say the whole "mess" is still there.... lol, 5 years ago, Chiense wasn't even have J-20 ready for LRIP. You do realise thing progress, do you?

Try this. There are at this day, 231 F-35 flying ALL OVER THE WORLD, and that is a mess, what do you call when you have a project called J-20 with only 10 or so J-20 flying today?? Which both roughly started the same time??



Yeah :coffee:

You still did not tell me how you come up with 10 a year? If it's just because you said so, why stop at 10? Why not claim they are making 100 J-20 this year lol??

I can drink coffee too, you know?
 
Yeah, putting out news that 2 to 5 years old and say the whole "mess" is still there.... lol, 5 years ago, Chiense wasn't even have J-20 ready for LRIP. You do realise thing progress, do you?

Try this. There are at this day, 231 F-35 flying ALL OVER THE WORLD, and that is a mess, what do you call when you have a project called J-20 with only 10 or so J-20 flying today?? Which both roughly started the same time??




Yeah :coffee:

You still did not tell me how you come up with 10 a year? If it's just because you said so, why stop at 10? Why not claim they are making 100 J-20 this year lol??

I can drink coffee too, you know?
Three of your claimed all against each other, isn't it obvious?
 
Three of your claimed all against each other, isn't it obvious?

Which three??

By the way, I did not claim anything...I put my estimation over how J-20 was produced in 2016 which Sina claim
 
Which three??

By the way, I did not claim anything...I put my estimation over how J-20 was produced in 2016 which Sina claim
"You do know the projected LRIP Production of J-20 this year is 5" , "YOU DO KNOW",Hello? This sound more than an estimation to me. If the production rate would not stay the same, how DO I KNOW and HOW DO YOU KNOW it is 5 this year?Because you saw 5 LAST YEAR?
 
Yeah, putting out news that 2 to 5 years old and say the whole "mess" is still there.... lol, 5 years ago, Chiense wasn't even have J-20 ready for LRIP. You do realise thing progress, do you?

Try this. There are at this day, 231 F-35 flying ALL OVER THE WORLD, and that is a mess, what do you call when you have a project called J-20 with only 10 or so J-20 flying today?? Which both roughly started the same time??




Yeah :coffee:

You still did not tell me how you come up with 10 a year? If it's just because you said so, why stop at 10? Why not claim they are making 100 J-20 this year lol??

I can drink coffee too, you know?

The link I provided is 2017 Mar's news, dont change much comparing to things 2-5 years ago, if you cannot read, I provide the link again:

'Price tag is the only thing stealthy about the F-35': scathing new report tears the F-35 to shreds
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/price-tag-only-thing-stealthy-181104453.html
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/price-tag-only-thing-stealthy-181104453.html
So, you see, after 5 years, the mess is still a mess, judging by this rate obviously I was being quite optimistic to say that it may only take 10 yrs for F-35 to solve their mess.
 
"You do know the projected LRIP Production of J-20 this year is 5" , "YOU DO KNOW",Hello? This sound more than an estimation to me. If the production rate would not stay the same, how DO I KNOW and HOW DO YOU KNOW it is 5 this year?Because you saw 5 LAST YEAR?

I am talking about the projection data coming form the last year production rate, Unless you have proof that last year the Chinese made more than 5 J-20, that projection stand, because Projection is always based on last year production. It does not matter if I said "You Do Know" or "You do not know", I said "You Do Know" hinting at you know about the production last year is at 5, as Sina Claim, but I don't actually believe they did make 5. I saw picture of 2107, BUT 2108 IS NO WHERE TO BE FOUND.

On the other hand, OUT OF NOWHERE, you claim the Production rate is projected to be 10 this year, and I asked you how you come to that conclusion, which is THE QUESTION YOU STILL REFUSED TO ANSWER

That come back to the original question. Even, for argument sake, what you said is correct, by any mean, J-20 is at a production rate of 10 per, How long it would take to get 100 of them? Production level changes, but not 100% change (from 10 to 20 a year) It's acceptable if you are talking about small incremental increase like 5 this year 7 next year, and 10 the next, But what you are claiming is that China can change from 10 this year to a end product of 100 in 5 years, do you know the difference in there? You need to make 10, then 15, then 20, then 25, then 30 per year. You are talking about 300% increase in production rate in 5 years? Do you know how impossible that was?

Let alone most likely China will not be able to make 10 this year alone.

The link I provided is 2017 Mar's news, dont change much comparing to things 2-5 years ago, if you cannot read, I provide the link again:

'Price tag is the only thing stealthy about the F-35': scathing new report tears the F-35 to shreds
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/price-tag-only-thing-stealthy-181104453.html
So, you see, after 5 years, the mess is still a mess, judging by this rate obviously I was being quite optimistic to say that it may only take 10 yrs for F-35 to solve their mess.

Did you actually read the news, or you just quote because you read the title??

Because it said in the news.

Perhaps the article's most cogent point comes on the subject of the price. Lockheed Martin recently announced a plan to bring the price of individual F-35A jets to about $85 million, a similar price to a new F-18 Super Hornet

The title is said because the $85 millions price tag does not come with Maintaining cost and Development cost

The significant costs of developing the plane, maintaining it, and testing it go unreported in these often-cited figures, prompting the following zinger from Grazier: "'Price tag is the only thing stealthy about the F-35

But do tell me which plane you pay for included those cost? The former Captain is not actually saying the aircraft is expensive, they are saying the maintenance and Development cost is hidden from the price tag. At the same time, if China procure a J-20, you don't EVER pay for its maintenance and development??
 
I am talking about the projection data coming form the last year production rate, Unless you have proof that last year the Chinese made more than 5 J-20, that projection stand, because Projection is always based on last year production. It does not matter if I said "You Do Know" or "You do not know", I said "You Do Know" hinting at you know about the production last year is at 5, as Sina Claim, but I don't actually believe they did make 5. I saw picture of 2107, BUT 2108 IS NO WHERE TO BE FOUND.

On the other hand, OUT OF NOWHERE, you claim the Production rate is projected to be 10 this year, and I asked you how you come to that conclusion, which is THE QUESTION YOU STILL REFUSED TO ANSWER

That come back to the original question. Even, for argument sake, what you said is correct, by any mean, J-20 is at a production rate of 10 per, How long it would take to get 100 of them? Production level changes, but not 100% change (from 10 to 20 a year) It's acceptable if you are talking about small incremental increase like 5 this year 7 next year, and 10 the next, But what you are claiming is that China can change from 10 this year to a end product of 100 in 5 years, do you know the difference in there? You need to make 10, then 15, then 20, then 25, then 30 per year. You are talking about 300% increase in production rate in 5 years? Do you know how impossible that was?

Let alone most likely China will not be able to make 10 this year alone.
If we all agree the production rate changes, why 5 this year ?Because you saw 5 last year?
 

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