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China to Russia: You're putting us in a tight spot

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These are testing times for Chinese diplomats.

As they plot Beijing’s course through the international uproar over Russia’s intervention in Ukraine, they are torn between conflicting instincts.

On the one hand is a strong reluctance to stand with the West against Moscow – a strategic partner which never openly criticizes China. But on the other is the cardinal principle of Chinese foreign policy – non-interference in the internal affairs of other countries.

Beijing is not exactly fudging it: Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang said plainly last Sunday, when the first reports of Russian armed intervention in Crimea were coming in, that “we respect the independence, sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine.”

But neither has China condemned Russia’s actions; officials here equivocate when they are invited to join the Western chorus of outrage.

“China is uneasy,” says Bonnie Glaser, an Asia specialist at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington. “They cannot endorse Russia’s actions but they don’t want more tensions with Moscow, so they are not emphasizing their differences.”

It is easy to see why China is so insistent on the principle of non-interference: the government is worried about foreigners meddling in China’s own border provinces, such as Tibet and Xinjiang, where Beijing is unsure of local peoples’ loyalties.

Chinese leaders are especially displeased by the referendum that the Crimean parliament has called for March 16 to choose whether the autonomous region should break away from Ukraine and join Russia.

“That would be like Taiwan’s destiny being decided only by Taiwanese,” says Jin Canrong, a professor of international studies at Renmin University in Beijing. That would be anathema to Beijing, which insists that Taiwan – a self-governing island – is an integral part of China.

“China insists that Crimea’s fate should be decided by all Ukrainians,” explains Prof. Jin. “We will not support a Russian occupation of Crimea.”

“China’s foremost priorities, the first things they think about when it comes to interference, are Tibet, Xinjiang, and Taiwan,” adds Ms. Glaser. “The idea of a part of China deciding whether it wanted to be separate is seen as very dangerous.”

“China always looks at these situations through the lens of how they could impact their own security down the road,” she says.

That concern trumps the hard-line anti-Western rhetoric that some Chinese newspapers have adopted. Global Times, a nationalist tabloid owned by the ruling Communist Party, argued in an editorial this week that “backing Russia is in China’s interests” and that “we shouldn’t disappoint Russia when it finds itself in a time of need” because Moscow “has been resisting the eastward trend of western forces in Ukraine.”

Though this does not seem to reflect government thinking, China has been ambiguous about its attitude to the interim government in Kiev. Asked on Monday whether Beijing recognized the new government, Mr. Qin said guardedly that “judgment needs to be made based on the laws of Ukraine.”

In a telephone conversation with Russian president Vladimir Putin, Chinese president Xi Jinping said that “China believes that Russia can coordinate with other parties to push for the political settlement of the issue,” according to an account of the conversation published by the state-run news agency Xinhua. “China supports proposals and mediation efforts of the international community,” Xi was quoted as saying.

China and Russia, two neighboring giants, have their differences but are usually on the same side in diplomatic battles at the UN Security Council, where both are permanent members, along with the United States, Britain, and France, giving them veto powers.

Russia has used its veto six times since 2007. On five of these occasions, Beijing has cast its own veto alongside Moscow. Tellingly, the only time that China broke with Russia came after Russian troops invaded Georgia in 2008.

“China cannot embrace the Russian position but it doesn’t particularly want to side with the West either,” says Glaser. “So they are sitting on the fence.”

Prof. Jin puts a more positive spin on his government’s predicament. “Because of Taiwan, China would very much hate to see the division of a nation,” he explains, “but on the other hand China needs stable relations with Russia. We will try to balance these two considerations.”

Testing diplomatic times indeed.

China to Russia: You're putting us in a tight spot - Yahoo News
 
The West become rich with chinese Labor force. And China got a ecological disaster by exploiting their own country.

Trading with westerners means destruction.
 
Russia is much more important to China than America is. What is the purpose of NATO? To break up China and Russia into tiny insignificant pieces, so as to establish American hegemony. China knows this. This is why China sides with Russia. China is already dumping US dollars to make sure American sanction won't be able to hurt China.

Russia’s ambassador to Canada says he was surprised no one bothered to speak with him about the crisis in Ukraine before he received a diplomatic dressing-down last Saturday, and added his country can always turn to China if the West follows through on threats of tougher sanctions.


Sanctions against Russia will only hurt the West, ambassador says - The Globe and Mail
 
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This is a terrible distortion of China's position. China is not in a 'tight spot', it has affirmed its respect for Ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity, in accordance with international law. As the same time, there has been no violation of this by any party. Russian intervention is pursuant to its 1997 Partition Treaty with Ukraine, which allows it to station a sizable portion of troops on the Crimean Peninsula. Russia also has a general Responsibility to Protect (R2P) Ukraine, a UN mechanism which allows a state to intervene when there is a serious humanitarian concern. The new Ukrainian's regimes attitude to ethnic and linguistic minorities raises real concerns about whether these minority rights will be safeguarded. Russia, as a neighbor who would be directly affected should ethnic conflict spill over the border, has a pre-emptive right to intervene.
 
China can't pay same for gas as Europe.
Russian posturing about going east are BS. In fact they'd like nothing less. That was one of the reasons they invaded Crimea, as considerable gas and oil deposits were located recently and in accordance to EU policy of diversfying energy imports, ENI and Total both won the contract to exploit blocks.

which allows it to station a sizable portion of troops on the Crimean Peninsula.

lol, that agreement also allows for disarming of Ukraine troops/blocking them in their bases? No? Why are you talking about it then?
 
lol, that agreement also allows for disarming of Ukraine troops/blocking them in their bases? No? Why are you talking about it then?

It doesn't forbid it either. It does allow Russia to take necessary measures, so long as it coordinates with the government of Ukraine. Given that Russia does not recognize the new regime, and that they have no doubt coordinated with the Yanyukovich administration in exile, they have not breached their treaty obligations. BTW, why are you going against the stance taken by your government? India has shared concerns with Russia, and expressed broad understanding for Russia's actions.
 
It doesn't forbid it either. It does allow Russia to take necessary measures, so long as it coordinates with the government of Ukraine. Given that Russia does not recognize the new regime, and that they have no doubt coordinated with the Yanyukovich administration in exile, they have not breached their treaty obligations. BTW, why are you going against the stance taken by your government? India has shared concerns with Russia, and expressed broad understanding for Russia's actions.

Why don't you link us the document in question and prove your point and spare us the 50 cent words with no basis. I predict you won't be able to. As usual. :lol:

Also, not recognizing government of Ukraine is a double edged sword. They can say all is null and void that was agreed under Yanukovitch, but that also means the agreement you talk about. And that means, this was an attack on a sovereign state.

But then again, you're from China. You don't think far enough to notice how you arguments can be used against you.
 
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Why don't you link us the document in question and prove your point and spare us the 50 cent words with no basis. I predict you won't be able to. As usual. :lol:

http://ericposner.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/russia-ukraine-agreement.png

Refer to Article 8, section 4. Keep in mind that there are very few available English translations, and that this excerpt is incomplete. There are probably other sections of the treaty which elaborate on (1) Article 8, section 4 (2) what other necessary measures Russia can take for protection. But nonetheless, Russia's right was affirmed by the CIA:

CIA reportedly says Russia sees treaty as justifying Ukraine moves - latimes.com

"the treaty ... requires the Russian navy, which bases its Black Sea fleet in Sevastopol, to coordinate all military movements on the Crimean peninsula with Ukraine."


EDIT: oh no, you got banned before you could reply. I guess they're cracking down on the false flaggers now.
 
This article represents the voice of the West: "stay away from Ukraine and stop supporting Russia."

While this is China's true voice: "Russia is our partner, supporting them is to support ourselves."

This is a terrible distortion of China's position. China is not in a 'tight spot', it has affirmed its respect for Ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity, in accordance with international law. As the same time, there has been no violation of this by any party. Russian intervention is pursuant to its 1997 Partition Treaty with Ukraine, which allows it to station a sizable portion of troops on the Crimean Peninsula. Russia also has a general Responsibility to Protect (R2P) Ukraine, a UN mechanism which allows a state to intervene when there is a serious humanitarian concern. The new Ukrainian's regimes attitude to ethnic and linguistic minorities raises real concerns about whether these minority rights will be safeguarded. Russia, as a neighbor who would be directly affected should ethnic conflict spill over the border, has a pre-emptive right to intervene.

Attacking China's train station was merely a warning message to China's stance on Ukraine.
 
LOL. another bs western news article. China respects other country's sovereignty not because of fear of separatism from radicals from xinjiang or Tibet trained and supported by CIA. I love how these so called experts like Jim canrong can be so wrong.

This is not China's fight. It doesn't matter whether they stand alongside with Russia or Ukraine, Russia has already made up her mind with the course of action.
 
This article represents the voice of the West: "stay away from Ukraine and stop supporting Russia."

While this is China's true voice: "Russia is our partner, supporting them is to support ourselves."



Attacking China's train station was merely a warning message to China's stance on Ukraine.



China rather take the middle path provide support to Russia but not to alienate the West in anyway.

China can be the key player to broker the deal between the West and Russia and come up with the best solution for all side to live with. China support Russia for protecting ethnic Russian lived in Urkaine and also within the right of the Russia to push back the West encroach into Russia sphrere of influence, China do respect the territorial and soveignty right of Urkaine from breaking apart.
 
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China rather take the middle path provide support to Russia but not to alienate the West in anyway.

China can be the key player to broker the deal between the West and Russia and come up with the best solution for all side to live with. China support Russia for protecting ethnic Russian lived in Urkaine and also within the right of the Russia to push back the West encroach into Russia sphrere of influence, China do respect the territorial and soveignty right of Urkaine from breaking apart.


China backs the weaker side so as to maintain a balance of power, much like how Britain maintained balance of power on the European continent. Currently, the US is more powerful than Russia, with over twice the population, so China backs Russia to weaken American resolve.
 
China backs the weaker side so as to maintain a balance of power, much like how Britain maintained balance of power on the European continent. Currently, the US is more powerful than Russia, with over twice the population, so China backs Russia to weaken American resolve.


Currently we don't live in a cold war era, no nation willing to cut their legs to support other without properly weighting their own interest in the situation. Russia economy is weaker compare to the West but Russia still one of a nuclear power in the planet, same as China economy still heavily rely on trade with both Russia and the West, China in a no win situation to take on either side, stay a middle path, find the best solution for all then China will guarantee their interest in the world will be preserve.
 
Currently we don't live in a cold war era, no nation willing to cut their legs to support other without properly weighting their own interest in the situation. Russia economy is weaker compare to the West but Russia still one of a nuclear power in the planet, same as China economy still heavily rely on trade with both Russia and the West, China in a no win situation to take on either side, stay a middle path, find the best solution for all then China will guarantee their interest in the world will be preserve.


Dissolve NATO, then we can talk about we don't live in a Cold War. :oops:
 
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