China to build the world's largest underground system

[JayAtl]

You must be joking, we in Germany have rail technologies the US can only dream of. Delusional American you are.

we in germany? your premier in china would be displeased. germany have anything because of the americans and american investment .

 

[beijingwalker]

not about India- stay on topic. is there an international forum language that helps you guys undersatnd it pssst- India is exporting its trains to countries that China previously sold cheap, failed trains to.

China to help India run high-speed trains
Economy Bureau

Posted: Saturday, Jan 19, 2008 at 2348 hrs IST


New Delhi, Jan 18 : While Indian Railways will have to wait a while before it can run bullet trains, it is hoping to increase the speed of its normal trains with some help from China.

China has agreed to assist Indian Railways in order to increase the speed of existing trains as part of a memorandum of understanding (MoU).

The MoU signed between the two countries during Prime Minister Manmohan Singh”s visit to China, earlier during the week will also help in cooperation for development of world-class stations, heavy haul operations, development of multi-modal logistics parks and in research and development.

At present, the highest speed an Indian train has logged so far is 150 km per hour by Shatabdi Express between Delhi and Agra. In China meanwhile, the highest speed recorded is 275 km/hr.

The three-year agreement envisages development of rail-related programmes of mutual interest.

see for yourself

 

[beijingwalker]

once you lost your edge,it's very hard for you to catch up again.

China speeds past India's slow train to Himalayas

By Sanjeev Miglani

KATRA, India | Fri Aug 19, 2011 11:26am EDT

(Reuters)- India's struggle to build a railway to troubled Kashmir has become a symbol of the infrastructure gap with neighboring China, whose speed in building road and rail links is giving it a strategic edge on the mountainous frontier.

Nearly quarter of a century after work began on the project aimed at integrating the revolt-torn territory and bolstering the supply route for troops deployed there, barely a quarter of the 345-km (215-mile) Kashmir track has been laid.

Tunnels collapsed, funds dried up and, faced with the challenge of laying tracks over the 11,000 foot (3,352 meter) Pir Panjal range, railway officials and geologists bickered over the route, with some saying it was just too risky.

The proposed train, which will run not far from the heavily militarized border with Pakistan, has also faced threats from militants fighting Indian rule in the disputed region, with engineers kidnapped in the early days of the project.

China built the 1,140-km (710-mile) Qinghai-Tibet line, which crosses permanently frozen ground and climbs to more than 5,000 meters above sea level, in five years flat.

It has also built bitumen roads throughout its side of the frontier, making it easier for Chinese troops to move around -- and mass there, if confrontation ever escalates.

Indians have long fretted about the economic advantages that China gains from its infrastructure expertise. But the tale of India's hardships in building the railway line also shows how China's mastery of infrastructure could matter in the territorial disputes that still dog relations.

Both train networks, China's running far to the north and India's hundreds of miles away in the southern reaches of the Himalayas, reflect the desire to tighten political and economic links with their two restive regions - the Tibet Autonomous region in China's case and Kashmir for India.

But they would also form a key element of military plans to move men and armor in the forbidding region in a time of conflict.

Should India-China relations ever deteriorate to the verge of military confrontation and if riots in Tibet erupt, the People's Liberation Army's mountain brigades can rapidly deploy to the region. Railway and road construction have been China's Himalayan strategy for decades.

"China outstrips India in at least three respects: the ability to execute large and complex projects; rapid implementation; and - importantly - the foresight to embark upon these projects for economic and strategic purposes," said Shashank Joshi, at London's Royal United Services Institute, who has written extensively on India-China ties.

He also said China was also more proficient at concealing its failures because of its closed political system and excellent information management.

On the other hand, India hasn't yet determined its priorities in the region, which shares borders with both Pakistan and China.

"India has to decide what it wants to be. If integrating Kashmir is a top national priority, then the project should have moved on a war footing long ago," said one visibly exasperated military commander in Kashmir.

SIGNS OF STRUGGLE

Here in the lower stretch of the line, workers are struggling to build tunnels through soft mountains to bring the track from the railhead in Udhampur, 25 km (15 miles) away.

Of the seven they built over the past four years, one has collapsed and the other is seeping water. Now engineers have gone back to the drawing board to figure out an alternative route.

"That is the way the project has been undertaken. You tunnel and then you find it is not holding. You then try and skirt around it like a bypass surgery," said Chehat Ram, chief administrative officer of Northern Railway.

The deadline for completion of the project was August 2007, but it has been pushed back to 2017, and even that is seen as an optimistic assessment. Cost estimates have jumped, from 45.5 billion rupees ($1.0 billion) in 2002 to 195.6 billion today.

China, meanwhile, began work last year to build a rail spur that will connect the Tibetan capital of Lhasa with Shigatse, the monastery town that is the seat of the Panchen Lama, the second-most powerful figure in Tibetan Buddhism.

Joshi said China was in a position to bring far greater resources to public sector investment than India. For instance, Indian investment in railways in 2010 was about $9-10 billion. In China, it was $118 billion.

"If the Chinese had to build the Kashmir track, they'd do it faster and better than the Indians - but it might still fail, and they'd plough much more into it.

 

[Götterdämmerung]

we in germany? your premier in china would be displeased. germany have anything because of the americans and american investment .

We have chancelor and she is in Berlin. You mean you have stolen our technology after WWII?

Funny though, you guys build ugly and gas guzzling cars, don't have any train technology but we have all this because of US and US investments. Truly delusional.

 

[isro2222]

How many in china can afford high speed train ticket? i heard people avoiding to use high speed trains due to high ticket cost.... Yet again communist made something just to show to the world they want to be in developed catagory.... Build something for your people which they can afford it first....

 

[Götterdämmerung]

How many in china can afford high speed train ticket? i heard people avoiding to use high speed trains due to high ticket cost.... Yet again communist made something just to show to the world they want to be in developed catagory.... Build something for your people which they can afford it first....

The trains are full. It seems there are enough people who can afford it. What else do you want? There are also slower trains for people who cannot afford the expensive tickets.

 

[beijingwalker]

How many in china can afford high speed train ticket? i heard people avoiding to use high speed trains due to high ticket cost.... Yet again communist made something just to show to the world they want to be in developed catagory.... Build something for your people which they can afford it first....

everyone can.Chinese high speed train is heavily subsidized by the government.

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see those Chinese train photoes again

Beijing south railway station and China's railway development - SkyscraperCity

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but most those photos are not high speed trains,just regular trains in China.but also travels pretty fast though.

 

[beijingwalker]

but what a moment,isnt that the subway system should be talked about on the thread.let's back to the subway.and China's subway develop like crazy,way faster than railways.


check it out,BEIJING's subway.Aiming to the longest in the world.now the longest is Shanghai's.

Beijing aiming for world's longest subway system - SkyscraperCity

 

[patna_ke_presley]

20 years ago India used to be miles ahead of China in terms of railway system due to the well established British colonial industry.and look at it now....

Indian railway is still miles ahead of China railway in managing railways. Recently China railways asked government for 1 Trillion Yuan bailout and China railways tried to keep this as secret. Asking 1 trillion Yuan bailout shows the pathetic management of China railway.

BBC News - China morning round-up: Railway denies bail-out call

Struggling railways ministry seeks RMB800bn bailout

 

[beijingwalker]

Indian railway is still miles ahead of China railway in managing railways.

haha,wow,so India's railway must be so good,congradulations.

and dont worry about China,China has enough money to bail out companies,countries and even contients.

 

[patna_ke_presley]

haha,wow,so India's railway must be so good,congradulations.

and dont worry about China,China has enough money to bail out companies,countries and even contients.

Ha Ha Ha. Its not money but the case of bailout which shows China Railways is making huge losses. Your Railways are building tracks at fast rates but could not make profit.

By the way, we Indians are thankful to China for Railway modernisation. Japanese are also offering their Shinkansen for bullet trains in India on 7 routes.

 

[beijingwalker]

Indian railway is still miles ahead of China railway in managing railways.

To be frank,I m extremely AMAZED by your superior Indian railway managing system,very very efficient,deeply impressed.

 

[patna_ke_presley]

To be frank,I m extremely AMAZED by your superior Indian railway managing system,very very efficient,deeply impressed.

Ha Ha Ha... This is Pakistan Railways. Don't you see the dress of men are wearing along with their caps, Indian men don't wear Shalwar Kameez like this. I see one guy is wearing Sindhi cap.Also lower part of Railways engines is never painted Yellow as seen in the picture. Before posting that you should had done research.

 

[xataxsata]

Its a shame that how openly chinese are trolling and derailing thread but nothing happening.

 

[beijingwalker]

Its a shame that how openly chinese are trolling and derailing thread but nothing happening.

who is trolling and derailing on my thread??I didnt ask you to come