China threatens already fatigued USA

[flowerfan2020]

The US is not on the weaker side, although China is getting stronger. The US has many strengths institutionally that China lacks.

And yes, all of the tensions, escalations and the steps towards a new Cold War are being stoked single handedly by the US. It makes sense, in order to maintain American primacy, it needs to confront China sooner than later. If the US ignored China, ten years from now, it would be far too late.

Also, China is very much alone. Except for having the backing of Russia, Pakistan and Iran, China is surrounded by enemies and US allies from S. Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Vietnam, India, The Philippines, etc.

Trust me, it won't be like this as you think. When real conflict come between U.S and China. All of the U.S allies will try to kick out U.S military out of their base.

 

[Han Patriot]

The difference is that taking on North Korea is a luxury. The US ruling class loves wars, they are addicted to them. Picking on NK and Iran are luxury wars that they can afford.

But if China was really set to end American primacy, they would see it as an existential war. All bets are off in that case.

Yet they have not done so? If Iran is attacked Israel will be bombed, if NK is attacked it will be WWIII. US knows this.

Look at how confident fat boy Kim is.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Trump unleashed COVID on his own people to blame China. How evil can a man get? Look no further.

 

[tower9]

Man, you have the hardest hate-boner I have ever seen for the Chinese government. Let's take a historical comparison: the USSR. Khrushchev didn't send Russia's top scientists to shovel pig shit, and Russia was a lot more technologically advanced than China, yet China today has a much more developed semiconductor industry than Russia. Why is that?

That's an easy question, because Russia has largely been an economic failure since the collapse of the USSR. You need economic vibrancy to support a thriving semiconductor industry.

There is no point comparing China's situation to Russia. China followed the Asian Tigers' path to prosperity and because they are of the same cultural stock and aptitude, China should've been able to replicate and surpass Taiwan/SK/JP's expertise in semiconductors over a decade ago. Mao lost crucial decades toying with his psychotic ideas that he passed for economic policies.

 

[beijingwalker]

History repeated and proved again and again, who dominates the industrial and manufacturing fields, dominates the world, US was an industrial and manufacturing superpower for almost 100 years which enabled it to dictate its terms onto other countries, but not anymore now.

 

[tower9]

History repeated and proved again and again, who dominates the industrial and manufacturing fields, dominates the world, US was an industrial and manufacturing superpower for almost 100 years which enabled it to dictate its terms onto other countries, but not anymore now.

The US still has many technologies that China does not have. That's why the sanctions on Huawei hurt. China has nothing to sanction the US with. Rare earths? Yeah, China has a monopoly on that only because the US doesn't want that environmental pollution. The US has core semiconductor, software, space and aeronautics technology that China lacks and this is why China is constantly on the defensive. If China was truly self sufficient in all of these fields or even surpassed the US, it would happily go tit for tat in any trade or sanction war.

 

[k s ahmed]

Yo guys.
USA can't just attack china. It's not middle East. Russia alone is a pain for usa.
Japan would fight but not for long. I don't know why you are saying all will gang up against china.
And how.effective would that be, we shall see if it happens. On paper ,china and allies are far more effective than USA and allies in the east.
Another question, can USA afford war ? Will people still support war ( even when lied to as usual )?

Space industry - not any more dear

The US still has many technologies that China does not have. That's why the sanctions on Huawei hurt. China has nothing to sanction the US with. Rare earths? Yeah, China has a monopoly on that only because the US doesn't want that environmental pollution. The US has core semiconductor, software, space and aeronautics technology that China lacks and this is why China is constantly on the defensive. If China was truly self sufficient in all of these fields or even surpassed the US, it would happily go tit for tat in any trade or sanction war.

 

[beijingwalker]

The US still has many technologies that China does not have.

That can be true, but China has more things that US doesn't have. that's what matters. Did US solves its toilet paper shortage problem?

If China was truly self sufficient in all of these fields or even surpassed the US, it would happily go tit for tat in any trade or sanction war.

China is a sane country, not a crazy country like US and doesn't have a mad dog president like Trump.

 

[tower9]

That can be true, but China has more things that US doesn't have. that's what matters.


China is a sane country, not a crazy country like US and doesn't have a mad dog president like Trump.

Not really. The US isn't acting crazy, its behavior is completely logical. If the roles were reversed, China would do the same. Actually, China is a more strategic country and probably would've acted earlier to contain the US.

China values the relationship with the US far more than the other way around and it is obvious why. Because China gains far more from it than the US. The US still has many technologies, resources, etc that China needs to learn from. That is why the US can attack China at will and China cannot do the same. This isn't because China is more "civilized", it is because China is the weaker and dependent party. It's really that simple. China has no problems bullying smaller countries when it feels agitated by them. The US is nearly the only country China shows total deference too and it is because of the uneven nature of their relationship.

This may change decades from now if China has solidified technological superiority and it is the US that has to learn from China. But that's only hypothetical.

Yo guys.
USA can't just attack china. It's not middle East. Russia alone is a pain for usa.
Japan would fight but not for long. I don't know why you are saying all will gang up against china.
And how.effective would that be, we shall see if it happens. On paper ,china and allies are far more effective than USA and allies in the east.
Another question, can USA afford war ? Will people still support war ( even when lied to as usual )?

Space industry - not any more dear

Don't underestimate desperation. For a hegemon to lose their throne, that is worse than death itself.

 

[Menthol]

China is on the brink or even already surpassing USA.

Basically it's already on the redline.

Definitely, what China says, USA will not hear it anymore.

What China really needs to do is increasing its defense in every field, not just the military.

Because day by day, USA is going to play harder.


To be economically and technology independent of everything is a must now.

The only thing China will be appreciated by the rest of the world is if China brings benefits to many, whatever from the technology, economy, products, science, etc.

And it's the game of opinion or propaganda right now.

If USA is promoting the cold war, China is promoting peace and friendship all over the world.

 

[k s ahmed]

What is Pakistan going to do in this situation
Suadi and chjna sandwich

Same for India. USA Russia sandwich

Should start another thread on it ?

Understood

Not really. The US isn't acting crazy, its behavior is completely logical. If the roles were reversed, China would do the same. Actually, China is a more strategic country and probably would've acted earlier to contain the US.

China values the relationship with the US far more than the other way around and it is obvious why. Because China gains far more from it than the US. The US still has many technologies, resources, etc that China needs to learn from. That is why the US can attack China at will and China cannot do the same. This isn't because China is more "civilized", it is because China is the weaker and dependent party. It's really that simple. China has no problems bullying smaller countries when it feels agitated by them. The US is nearly the only country China shows total deference too and it is because of the uneven nature of their relationship.

This may change decades from now if China has solidified technological superiority and it is the US that has to learn from China. But that's only hypothetical.



Don't underestimate desperation. For a hegemon to lose their throne, that is worse than death itself.

 

[beijingwalker]

Not really. The US isn't acting crazy, its behavior is completely logical. If the roles were reversed, China would do the same. Actually, China is a more strategic country and probably would've acted earlier to contain the US.

China values the relationship with the US far more than the other way around and it is obvious why. Because China gains far more from it than the US. The US still has many technologies, resources, etc that China needs to learn from. That is why the US can attack China at will and China cannot do the same. This isn't because China is more "civilized", it is because China is the weaker and dependent party. It's really that simple. China has no problems bullying smaller countries when it feels agitated by them. The US is nearly the only country China shows total deference too and it is because of the uneven nature of their relationship.

This may change decades from now if China has solidified technological superiority and it is the US that has to learn from China. But that's only hypothetical.

You overestimate US too much, this coronavirus stripped US naked? it's nothing more than a big fat parasite living off the world now, when crisis hit, US can do nothing but blame shifting, it lacks a key factor is China's ultimate strength, unity and ability of a nationwide mobilisation when facing a crisis. Has US fixed its toilet paper shortage problem so far?

 

[tower9]

You overestimate US too much, this coronavirus stripped US naked? it's nothing more than a big fat parasite living off the world now, when crisis hit, US can do nothing but blame shifting, it lacks a key factor is China's ultimate strength, unity and ability of a nationwide mobilisation when facing a crisis. Has US fixed its toilet paper shortage problem so far?

The US death toll is exaggerated. And this crisis is being manipulated by both parties for their own ends.

 

[beijingwalker]

The US death toll is exaggerated. And this crisis is being manipulated by both parties for their own ends.

I m not saying US death toll, I m just talking about its decline and inability to really take on China and win.

 

[tower9]

I m not saying US death toll, I m just talking about its decline and inability to really take on China and win.

I think you are severely underestimating the US.