China targets ordinary Uighurs with beards, burkas

[$@rJen]

Wow! If India had done this, the Pakistanis would have gone to town lambasting the Hindu infidels!

But then this is in China. So you won't hear even a squeak form the Pakistanis for fear of being wrapped on the knuckles by their 'all weather' friends!!

They don't interfere in Pakistan's internal matters.. that would be their best answer.... i don't know when France and Myanmar interfered Pakistan's internal business

 

[Chronos]

I'm going to take this statement as a compliment, regardless of your original intentions.

it was meant to be. Because Honey badgers are the symbols of being bada$$

The thing is, ultimately it is the Chinese who has to figure this out for themselves. Others calling the Chinese uncivilized here don't have a stellar record of protecting minorities themselves, including India.

oh btw, I am an Indian, am I really in a position to mock China? No.

@Chinese-Dragon I am out, before the guardians of the one and true faith come by and put this heathen in his place

toodles!

 

[$@rJen]

Not true, I have had countless arguments with Pakistani members like KingMamba, and Pak_Sher who for example said this just recently:

Dude even i've seen that replies.. but only 2 or 3 Pakistanis would raise their voice and the rest would go offensive on Indians.

 

[Screambowl]

Nonsense. The Hui Muslims are living quite peacefully in China. Uyghurs are one hell of a troublemaker and such articles are just propaganda piece exploiting the demographic fault lines in China.

Chinese know once they grow up in number, they will make China syria. Or demand their own land.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

oh btw, I am an Indian, am I really in a position to mock China? No.

I have the same idea, I literally never criticize other countries unless they flamed my country first.

Since obviously everyone has their own dirty laundry, and having some smug/boastful foreigners mocking your suffering for political purposes is hardly "constructive" in any way.

Solving problems needs a constructive attitude, this "holier-than-thou" attitude used by various governments and NGO's is not constructive, nor is it intended to be. It's intended to give them a bit of "political capital" back home by lecturing other countries, if they were honest they would admit they couldn't even pronounce my name let alone care about my issues.

 

[$@rJen]

Chinese know once they grow up in number, they will make China syria. Or demand their own land.

Now that's what i call " Bull's Eye"

 

[Developereo]

it was meant to be. Because Honey badgers are the symbols of being bada$$

The thing is, ultimately it is the Chinese who has to figure this out for themselves. Others calling the Chinese uncivilized here don't have a stellar record of protecting minorities themselves, including India.

oh btw, I am an Indian, am I really in a position to mock China? No.

@Chinese-Dragon I am out, before the guardians of the one and true faith come by and put this heathen in his place

toodles!

It's got nothing to do with faith, true or otherwise.

A principled stance in support of basic human rights is all it takes to analyze any situation. We have come a long way as a human civilization, and claims of "internal matter" are no longer acceptable as an excuse to deny human rights.

Support of human rights applies to mistreatment of women and minorities in any country, Islamic, India, China or Western.

You can - you should -- reiterate those principles as a human being, not as an Indian.

 

[Chronos]

I have the same idea, I literally never criticize other countries unless they flamed my country first.

Since obviously everyone has their own dirty laundry, and having some smug/boastful foreigners mocking your suffering for political purposes is hardly "constructive" in any way.

Solving problems needs a constructive attitude, this "holier-than-thou" attitude used by various governments and NGO's is not constructive, nor is it intended to be. It's intended to give them a bit of "political capital" back home by lecturing other countries, if they were honest they would admit they couldn't even pronounce my name let alone care about my issues.

I came back because your post was spot on.

The Indian sanitation crisis is an example. at first I defended the article written by foreign NGO's on this subject. But increasingly, the tone is more patronising.

And these NGO's introduced memes like British foreign aid and the 'space program.' The space program helped in saving tens of thousands people in Odisha. Most of the program is funded on the basis of practical application.

The western right, at least they are blunt on their sense of superiority. Western liberals are more subtle in this, but they carry the same attitude.

Having a read of these western liberal outlets I have come to this conclusion.

 

[Developereo]

I have the same idea, I literally never criticize other countries unless they flamed my country first.

Since obviously everyone has their own dirty laundry, and having some smug/boastful foreigners mocking your suffering for political purposes is hardly "constructive" in any way.

Solving problems needs a constructive attitude, this "holier-than-thou" attitude used by various governments and NGO's is not constructive, nor is it intended to be. It's intended to give them a bit of "political capital" back home by lecturing other countries, if they were honest they would admit they couldn't even pronounce my name let alone care about my issues.

While I agree with you that some external commentators have ulterior agendas which has little to do with the Uyghurs' welfare, it is still important to address the human rights of lawful Chinese citizens.

Should a man continue beating his wife just because some smarmy do-gooder criticizes him?

 

[Chronos]

It's got nothing to do with faith, true or otherwise.

A principled stance in support of basic human rights is all it takes to analyze any situation. We have come a long way as a human civilization, and claims of "internal matter" are no longer acceptable as an excuse to deny human rights.

Support of human rights applies to mistreatment of women and minorities in any country, Islamic, India, China or Western.

You can - you should -- reiterate those principles as a human being, not as an Indian.

The idealist in me says you are a much better person than I will ever be

the jaded realist in me says matters like these will always be subject to foreign relation circuses etc. or the money involved.

 

[Developereo]

The idealist in me says you are a much better person than I will ever be

the jaded realist in me says matters like these will always be subject to foreign relation circuses etc. or the money involved.

I am not talking about how countries behave, but how individuals should view human rights.

We should be fair and even-handed in our evaluation of human rights abuses.

 

[Chronos]

While I agree with you that some external commentators have ulterior agendas which has little to do with the Uyghurs' welfare, it is still important to address the human rights of lawful Chinese citizens.

Should a man continue beating his wife just because some smarmy do-gooder criticizes him?

depends what sort of NGO it is really. Is it like Greenpeace in India where it actively sabotages economic activity or an organisation like Sulabh where they never court publicity and builds toilets for those in the Indian villages who have none?

 

[Developereo]

depends what sort of NGO it is really. Is it like Greenpeace in India where it actively sabotages economic activity or an organisation like Sulabh where they never court publicity and builds toilets for those in the Indian villages who have none?

You are right that some issues are subjective. The balance between economy and ecology is a complex subject, and the whatever equation seems attractive in Western suburbia may not apply in rural developing world.

However, other matters, of human rights, tend to be more universally applicable. While some NGO's may have ulterior motives, the underlying issues should be viewed on their own merit.

 

[Chronos]

You are right that some issues are subjective. The balance between economy and ecology is a complex subject, and the whatever equation seems attractive in Western suburbia may not apply in rural developing world.

However, other matters, of human rights, tend to be more universally applicable. While some NGO's may have ulterior motives, the underlying issues should be viewed on their own merit.

On this issue, I have to be the bigger man and i admit I was wrong on this aspect because of my pre-conceived notions. I am irreligious, so my bias swings that way clearly. But you have made good points. Because my right to believe in a world of no god could be taken away too.

Also I have to take into account I live in New Zealand, a place that guarantees human rights and I find the places pleasant to live in those places i consider leaders in Human tights. so I was sounding a bit hypocritical.

Good conversation

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

While I agree with you that some external commentators have ulterior agendas which has little to do with the Uyghurs' welfare, it is still important to address the human rights of lawful Chinese citizens.

Should a man continue beating his wife just because some smarmy do-gooder criticizes him?

You're right of course, the underlying issue still remains.

However these Western politicians and NGO's trying to get a bit of "political capital" by lecturing us, are actually doing a huge disservice to people and interest groups within China that are trying to solve the problem.

When the "West" backs a certain side (like the Ukrainian government or pro-democracy demonstrators), then that side becomes viewed as Western loyalists, i.e. traitors. And everyone has seen how the West has universally backed the Uyghur "dissenters", which makes their job that much harder.

People on the ground are trying to push through meaningful reforms, and their efforts are destroyed every time the Western politicians and NGO's decide to open their big mouths.