China Taiwan Province (ROC): News, Discussions & Images

[TaiShang]

Showing the colour of your skin？

Wasn't it Deng who said the following?

小朋友不听话，该打打屁股了!

LOL.

 

[bobsm]

Desperate people do stupid things

 

[terranMarine]

OH yeah the little kid is a fan of some Japanese writer about Asian military. LOL his thread of PLA being a paper tiger with reference to Kyle Mizokami is rubbish enough to be deleted.

 

[Raphael]

No, California is a sovereign state under the U.S. Constitution. All states of the Union are sovereign states with rights that cannot be violated by the U.S. Federal government. The Federal government cannot bully California the way the CCP tries to bully Taiwan. You are an ignorant fool.

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I don't think you know what a sovereign state is.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

OH yeah the little kid is a fan of some Japanese writer about Asian military. LOL his thread of PLA being a paper tiger with reference to Kyle Mizokami is rubbish enough to be deleted.

Those Japanese right-wingers are now discussing how to annihilate China in a pre-emptive strike.

LMAO, I can't believe that these guys are serious.

 

[Red Spinifex]

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I don't think you know what a sovereign state is.

I'm sure you don't. If you don't believe me, look it up!

 

[terranMarine]

Those Japanese right-wingers are now discussing how to annihilate China in a pre-emptive strike.

LMAO, I can't believe that these guys are serious.

enough with the paper tiger bedtime stories, even Nihonjin here understands the strength of the PLA.

Kyle Mizokami - I write about things like tanks. | about.me (A freelance writer <- Amateur)
How desperate is the kid here using the following article Why the Chinese military is only a paper dragon - The Week as benchmark to describe the mighty dragon.

 

[Raphael]

I'm sure you don't. If you don't believe me, look it up!

A sovereign state is political entity that has supreme authority over the area it governs, and does not answer to a higher authority. Sovereign states have membership at the UN. Hong Kong, Taiwan, and England are all examples of highly autonomous states/regions that nevertheless do not qualify as sovereign states. So the idea that California is a sovereign state is an astonishing and erroneous assertion.

 

[Red Spinifex]

A sovereign state is political entity that has supreme authority over the area it governs, and does not answer to a higher authority. Sovereign states have membership at the UN. Hong Kong, Taiwan, and England are all examples of highly autonomous states/regions that nevertheless do not qualify as sovereign states. So the idea that California is a sovereign state is an astonishing and erroneous assertion.

And U.S. states share sovereignty with the U.S. central government. State governments do NOT answer to the Federal government in matters pertaining to that state. The U.S. Federal government cannot tell a state government what to do in its own state. Washington cannot "bully" a state. The United States of America is a federation of sovereign states. Look it up! UN membership is clearly not a requirement of sovereignty. Sovereign states obviously existed before the UN existed.

 

[Raphael]

And U.S. states share sovereignty with the U.S. central government. State governments do NOT answer to the Federal government in matters pertaining to that state. The United States of America is a federation of sovereign states. Look it up! Clearly UN membership is clearly not a requirement of sovereignty. Sovereign states obviously existed before the UN existed.

Your very first sentence belies your ignorance of what sovereignty means. Sovereignty can never be "shared" - it is an absolute concept. Administrative regions can have varying levels of autonomy and self-governance, but they can never by sovereign unless they become an independent country.

The fact that the US fought a civil war that confiscated the right for a state to secede is evidence enough that no US state is sovereign at all.

Anyway, stop telling me to "look it up", when you are trying to advance a position totally contradictory to common sense and popular as well as expert consensus. Quote me a section of the Californian state constitution if you're so sure.

 

[Red Spinifex]

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Your very first sentence belies your ignorance of what sovereignty means. Sovereignty can never be "shared" - it is an absolute concept. Administrative regions can have varying levels of autonomy and self-governance, but they can never by sovereign unless they become an independent country.

The fact that the US fought a civil war that confiscated the right for a state to secede is evidence enough that no US state is sovereign at all.

Anyway, stop telling me to "look it up", when you are trying to advance a position totally contradictory to common sense and popular as well as expert consensus. Quote me a section of the Californian state constitution if you're so sure.

What a lot of crap! Look it up! Sovereignty CAN be shared in a federation or a confederation.

A state of the United States of America is one of the 50 constituent political entities that shares its sovereignty with the United States federal government. Because of the shared sovereignty between each U.S. state and the U.S. federal government, an American is a citizen of both the federal republic and of his or her state of domicile.[3] State citizenship and residency are flexible and no government approval is required to move between states, except for persons covered by certain types of court orders (e.g., paroled convicts and children of divorced spouses who are sharing custody).

 

[Raphael]

What a lot of crap! Look it up! Sovereignty CAN be shared in a federation or a confederation.

It's interesting and convenient that you decided to end your excerpt there, because the very next sentence was:

States are divided into counties or county-equivalents, which may be assigned some local governmental authority but are not sovereign.

U.S. state - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You misunderstood what the writer means by "share". Is English your first language? In English, words can take on different shades of meaning. When the writer says each state "shares" sovereignty, he does not at all mean to imply that the states retain any sovereignty themselves (the concept of sovereignty is absolute and indivisible). Rather, sovereignty is relinquished to the US federal government, but each state retains, sovereign-like powers as part of their limited autonomy.

 

[Red Spinifex]

It's interesting and convenient that you decided to end your excerpt there, because the very next sentence was:



U.S. state - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You misunderstood what the writer means by "share". Is English your first language? In English, words can take on different shades of meaning. When the writer says each state "shares" sovereignty, he does not at all mean to imply that the states retain any sovereignty themselves (the concept of sovereignty is absolute and indivisible). Rather, sovereignty is relinquished to the US federal government, but each state retains, sovereign-like powers as part of their limited autonomy.

I don't misunderstand the writer's meaning at all. The states surrender some of their sovereignty to the federal government, thereby sharing it with the federal government. There is nothing "sovereign-like" about state sovereignty. It is you who misunderstand. Your English comprehension is poor. Clearly English is not your first language. I suggest you study the language harder.

 

[Raphael]

I don't misunderstand the writer's meaning at all. The states surrender some of their sovereignty to the federal government, thereby sharing it with the federal government. There is nothing "sovereign-like" about state sovereignty. It is you who misunderstand. Your English comprehension is poor. Clearly English is not your first language. I suggest you study the language harder.

But your very own source contradicts you and unequivocally states:

States are divided into counties or county-equivalents, which may be assigned some local governmental authority but are not sovereign.

Do the people in your life ever tell you that you are too stubborn and obstinate, refusing to recognize the truth even when it is staring you in the face?

 

[Red Spinifex]

But your very own source contradicts you and unequivocally states:



Do the people in your life ever tell you that you are too stubborn and obstinate, refusing to recognize the truth even when it is staring you in the face?

It is the subdivisions of the states that are not sovereign, not the states.