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Your point being? A silly point from you to my pointing out silliness of some other member's post?




What are your views on land reclamation being done by China in SCS?

Do you think that a nation should have the right to make an artificial island and then claim it as its own?

Or if one is to comply with contiguous water clause, build an island after reclamation and keep thee cycle on in perpetuity thereby encroaching on the sea itself?

@greenwood @dy1022

Please read, understand and then speak. Its tiresome when half baked knowledge perpetuates and becomes a rant and a flurry of absurd and baseless comments

http://www.un.org/depts/los/convention_agreements/texts/unclos/unclos_e.pdf
Do you really think that India is "superpower"? Legally annexation of Sikkim, or blockade of Nepal, threat to Bangladesh, and Sri Lanka, incitement to Pakistan?? You say China is a troll?? Do you think China is a what kind of country, swallow your pride, China is not that weak of neighbor. Like "Freedom" 251, indians are black and white upside down...
 
This same foolishness by the Pakistani state has enabled it to become a nuclear weapons state and prevent an enemy that is 8 times bigger than us from ever invading/attacking Pakistan. The way you speak about CPEC is as if india is economically more powerful than america and that the living standards of Indian people are better than Germans/West Europeans.

The CPEC project and presence of Chinese assets/investments now all over Pakistan means that any attack on Pakistan is now an attack on China. In case of Pakistan going to war, the Chinese in the very least would be forced to give us (in substantial quantities) their most advanced conventional weapons systems to be used devastatingly against our enemies.

Pakistan's relationship with China is of massive benefit to Pakistan and helps ensure our survival against potential enemies much more powerful than india.


While you guys (like a lone damsel in distress) have decided to take complete protection of Chinese Man and do whatever needs to be done to keep the China Man happy ....ur calculation that the 8th time bigger country will attack you is totally wrong. Let me correct myself, attack in the conventional sense.

You guys decided to fight a covert war with India. You initiated it since the partition and initially used the same trick you are currently using ( it was USA that time instead of China) to get Shiney toys ....which made you think u can snatch Kashmir from India and so indulged in foolish wars with India....

India will not go for overt war for covert war. Period. Your China man cannot do a shit about the covert war and the premise that China will intervene will fail here.

Few decades down the line...India and China will come to some kind of mutual arrangement and China will share it's booty ( it's acquired damsel) with India......and ...

its the usual story....u see..

@NALANDA Like I said that India aint even the concerned party out there than what has it got to do with NSG thing?[/QUOTE]

China had put it's best moral avatar recently.....The same would get tested when. India will shoe the Chinese reflection in the mirror to the world
 
No, the Philippines, or rather, one mentally unstable adventurer would not have occupied the Zhongye island (not plural). How does that illegal act prove or disprove anything? The problem there is with the enforcement of the law, not recognition of law, per se, or adherence to the rule of law. There is a distinction, and a very broad and clear one at that, nothing refined or sophisticated.

And how does that affect the legality of the McMahon Line?
Oh, you mean to say, the Philippines and India, relied on foreigners to draw a line, and then a sovereign state to steal from another territory, it is legal?
In the disputed waters of the Philippines and Taiwan, for example, the Philippine armed patrol boats "legal" shot Taiwan fishermen in Taiwan waters. Indian people think these are reasonable?
Then, the Philippines and Malaysia in sabah, Malaysia army tough fight back, killing dozens of soldiers in the Philippines. And why can't the Philippines Malaysia to court.
Never use force to the Philippines and China... Maybe we should learn from Malaysia.
McMahon line is British colonists to you, if you admit that India is still a British colony, now then your occupation of southern Tibet is "legal".
 
Oh, you mean to say, the Philippines and India, relied on foreigners to draw a line, and then a sovereign state to steal from another territory, it is legal?
What , China claimed Scarborough Shoal 600 miles from its coast while 100 miles from Philippines . UNCLOS said the archipelago nation like the Philippines have the rights and jurisdiction of its 200 miles EEZ.


Part V, Article 55 of the Convention states:
Specific legal regime of the exclusive economic zone
The exclusive economic zone is an area beyond and adjacent to the territorial sea, subject to the specific legal regime established in this Part, under which the rights and jurisdiction of the coastal State and the rights and freedoms of other States are governed by the relevant provisions of this Convention.


But still China insist it rights as its belongs to then using fake historical claim, pathetic arguments.
In the disputed waters of the Philippines and Taiwan, for example, the Philippine armed patrol boats "legal" shot Taiwan fishermen in Taiwan waters. Indian people think these are reasonable?

They are poaching and tried to ram Philippines coastguard vessels.Its the right thing to do
Then, the Philippines and Malaysia in sabah, Malaysia army tough fight back, killing dozens of soldiers in the Philippines. And why can't the Philippines Malaysia to court.

They never be a soldiers form Arm forces of the Philippines .they are separatist rebels with guns. Malaysia still paying rent or lease to of Sabah to the owner the sultan of sulu.
 
Oh, you mean to say, the Philippines and India, relied on foreigners to draw a line, and then a sovereign state to steal from another territory, it is legal?

No. I do not mean to say that. Either your grip on the language is poor, or you are being mischievous. Both are equally probable.

In the disputed waters of the Philippines and Taiwan, for example, the Philippine armed patrol boats "legal" shot Taiwan fishermen in Taiwan waters. Indian people think these are reasonable?

I do not know what the 'Indian people' think; I know that I think that the Filipino action, in the case of this disputed island, was illegal. Since you are an under-educated oaf, you did not get my argument, and are posturing about nothing.

Then, the Philippines and Malaysia in sabah, Malaysia army tough fight back, killing dozens of soldiers in the Philippines. And why can't the Philippines Malaysia to court.
Never use force to the Philippines and China... Maybe we should learn from Malaysia.

I have no idea how these things fit into the context of UNCLOS and unilateral annexations of open sea space in someone else's feeble mind.

McMahon line is British colonists to you, if you admit that India is still a British colony, now then your occupation of southern Tibet is "legal".

A stupid argument.

We were given independence, legally, and as the sole successor state, from the British colony, first, as a British Dominion, from August 15, 1947 to January 26, 1950, with a Governor-General who represented the Queen of England and a provisional constitution based on the Government of India Act, 1935. After that, we were an independent country, with our own constitution and our own Head of State, but still due to sentiment members of the British Commonwealth.

We inherited all the British colonial positions, legally, not by force.

That includes our commitment to our not-very-intelligent Pakistani friends of their own integrity with respect to the Durand Line, even though it is against the spirit of our warm relations with our friends in Afghanistan.

I realise that these are difficult for you to understand, and have taken extra time and effort to explain slowly and carefully.
 
China blocks India's NSG and UNSC seats, PLAN SSN cruising in india ocean every month.

Let's see what a Weak and Poor india can do in the SCS!

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show it in our shore we will scrap them and sale in per kilo of a low grade steel:woot:
 
Oh, you mean to say, the Philippines and India, relied on foreigners to draw a line, and then a sovereign state to steal from another territory, it is legal?
In the disputed waters of the Philippines and Taiwan, for example, the Philippine armed patrol boats "legal" shot Taiwan fishermen in Taiwan waters. Indian people think these are reasonable?
Then, the Philippines and Malaysia in sabah, Malaysia army tough fight back, killing dozens of soldiers in the Philippines. And why can't the Philippines Malaysia to court.
Never use force to the Philippines and China... Maybe we should learn from Malaysia.
McMahon line is British colonists to you, if you admit that India is still a British colony, now then your occupation of southern Tibet is "legal".

"McMahon line is British colonists to you, if you admit that India is still a British colony, now then your occupation of southern Tibet is "legal" "

"Legal" what? China in 1913 had denied the illegal Mcmahone line, even if Indian admit htat India is still a British colony.

Your point being? A silly point from you to my pointing out silliness of some other member's post?




What are your views on land reclamation being done by China in SCS?

Do you think that a nation should have the right to make an artificial island and then claim it as its own?

Or if one is to comply with contiguous water clause, build an island after reclamation and keep thee cycle on in perpetuity thereby encroaching on the sea itself?

@greenwood @dy1022

Please read, understand and then speak. Its tiresome when half baked knowledge perpetuates and becomes a rant and a flurry of absurd and baseless comments

http://www.un.org/depts/los/convention_agreements/texts/unclos/unclos_e.pdf

The click has any relation with the discussion?

Adaman islands are either British territory, or Myanmar territory, or the local's soverignty.
India has any evidence of finding, managing the islands, before the Dutch and British Eastern Indies Corp. ?

No, the Philippines, or rather, one mentally unstable adventurer would not have occupied the Zhongye island (not plural). How does that illegal act prove or disprove anything? The problem there is with the enforcement of the law, not recognition of law, per se, or adherence to the rule of law. There is a distinction, and a very broad and clear one at that, nothing refined or sophisticated.

And how does that affect the legality of the McMahon Line?

What is the law? In 1970's, there is one law in SCS, 11-dash line. Philippine broke the law.
 
What , China claimed Scarborough Shoal 600 miles from its coast while 100 miles from Philippines . UNCLOS said the archipelago nation like the Philippines have the rights and jurisdiction of its 200 miles EEZ.


Part V, Article 55 of the Convention states:
Specific legal regime of the exclusive economic zone
The exclusive economic zone is an area beyond and adjacent to the territorial sea, subject to the specific legal regime established in this Part, under which the rights and jurisdiction of the coastal State and the rights and freedoms of other States are governed by the relevant provisions of this Convention.


But still China insist it rights as its belongs to then using fake historical claim, pathetic arguments.


They are poaching and tried to ram Philippines coastguard vessels.Its the right thing to do


They never be a soldiers form Arm forces of the Philippines .they are separatist rebels with guns. Malaysia still paying rent or lease to of Sabah to the owner the sultan of sulu.
Would you please explain to international law, England and Argentina disputes over the falkland islands. And the disputes about England and Spain Gibraltar. Finally, Russia and Japan about four northern islands dispute... Don't tell me that the United Nations convention on Marine is only applicable in China.
Disputes over Taiwan and the Philippines, Taiwan fishing vessel is in 20 degrees north latitude, longitude 123 degrees,Pingtung County Taiwan 170 miles east-southeast of local fishing, belongs to the disputed waters here, if you think that is a Philippine waters, so I have the right to think that he is in Taiwan waters. The Philippines soldiers shot directly to the Taiwan fishing boat cockpit, killed a Taiwan fishermen, and then continue to pursue an hour. Eventually entered waters off Taiwan (not disputed waters).
Is this legal?

Why the Philippines not to prosecute Malaysia?? Because really will use war to solve the problem in Malaysia, the Philippines can't annoy Malaysia... And China, has been in the coast guard against the Philippine warship. China is very good humiliate?
 
No. I do not mean to say that. Either your grip on the language is poor, or you are being mischievous. Both are equally probable.



I do not know what the 'Indian people' think; I know that I think that the Filipino action, in the case of this disputed island, was illegal. Since you are an under-educated oaf, you did not get my argument, and are posturing about nothing.



I have no idea how these things fit into the context of UNCLOS and unilateral annexations of open sea space in someone else's feeble mind.



A stupid argument.

We were given independence, legally, and as the sole successor state, from the British colony, first, as a British Dominion, from August 15, 1947 to January 26, 1950, with a Governor-General who represented the Queen of England and a provisional constitution based on the Government of India Act, 1935. After that, we were an independent country, with our own constitution and our own Head of State, but still due to sentiment members of the British Commonwealth.

We inherited all the British colonial positions, legally, not by force.

That includes our commitment to our not-very-intelligent Pakistani friends of their own integrity with respect to the Durand Line, even though it is against the spirit of our warm relations with our friends in Afghanistan.

I realise that these are difficult for you to understand, and have taken extra time and effort to explain slowly and carefully.

"We inherited all the British colonial positions, legally, not by force."

What a stupid pride and arrogant! China didn't never accept the British McMahone line, how can you inherited an illegal occupation. Hey, you can go to rob bank, give the money to your son. Your son will inherite the money, idiot.
 
"McMahon line is British colonists to you, if you admit that India is still a British colony, now then your occupation of southern Tibet is "legal" "

"Legal" what? China in 1913 had denied the illegal Mcmahone line, even if Indian admit htat India is still a British colony.



The click has any relation with the discussion?

Adaman islands are either British territory, or Myanmar territory, or the local's soverignty.
India has any evidence of finding, managing the islands, before the Dutch and British Eastern Indies Corp. ?



What is the law? In 1970's, there is one law in SCS, 11-dash line. Philippine broke the law.

LOL.

Typical ignorance leading to arrogance. Your unilateral declaration of your national interest does not become law. It remains what it is, your own declaration of what you want to see.

The Philippines did not break the law, they occupied territory claimed by another state. This situation was subsequently covered by the UNCLOS, but at the time, it was an occupation by force with no legal foundation. Subsequently, it is subject to UNCLOS, but that also within the dimensions of the reality prevailing. UNCLOS cannot be used to overturn a long-standing and unique position, as China will have argued in its own favour. But UNCLOS can be used to clarify a situation where there are several claimants and none of them has pre-empted a legal clarification and made things out their own way.

This is what China has done; transcribing from the above,
  • claimed territory
  • made no attempt to make the claim tangible, except sending out fishing expeditions with fishermen committed to doing
  • allowed the Philippines to make a rival claim
  • disputed this (through the ROC) after the claim was made
  • failed to resolve this through UNCLOS
  • put on a brave face when the Filipinos went to arbitration/court but still not raised it with UNCLOS

"We inherited all the British colonial positions, legally, not by force."

What a stupid pride and arrogant! China didn't never accept the British McMahone line, how can you inherited an illegal occupation. Hey, you can go to rob bank, give the money to your son. Your son will inherite the money, idiot.

That is for the PRC to take up, with the Government of India. It chose not to do so; it chose force, so now an appeal to law is a bit late.

"We inherited all the British colonial positions, legally, not by force."

What a stupid pride and arrogant! China didn't never accept the British McMahone line, how can you inherited an illegal occupation. Hey, you can go to rob bank, give the money to your son. Your son will inherite the money, idiot.

Incidentally, China was not a party to the demarcation of the borders. China was suzerain power, not sovereign power. And the sovereign power agreed, while the Chinese delegate disagreed. In effect, China inherited the position accepted by the sovereign power, after conquering the sovereign power by force; there was nothing left to be done, and the reference to the Chinese delegate's disagreement is irrelevant.
 
LOL.

Typical ignorance leading to arrogance. Your unilateral declaration of your national interest does not become law. It remains what it is, your own declaration of what you want to see.

The Philippines did not break the law, they occupied territory claimed by another state. This situation was subsequently covered by the UNCLOS, but at the time, it was an occupation by force with no legal foundation. Subsequently, it is subject to UNCLOS, but that also within the dimensions of the reality prevailing. UNCLOS cannot be used to overturn a long-standing and unique position, as China will have argued in its own favour. But UNCLOS can be used to clarify a situation where there are several claimants and none of them has pre-empted a legal clarification and made things out their own way.

This is what China has done; transcribing from the above,
  • claimed territory
  • made no attempt to make the claim tangible, except sending out fishing expeditions with fishermen committed to doing
  • allowed the Philippines to make a rival claim
  • disputed this (through the ROC) after the claim was made
  • failed to resolve this through UNCLOS
  • put on a brave face when the Filipinos went to arbitration/court but still not raised it with UNCLOS



That is for the PRC to take up, with the Government of India. It chose not to do so; it chose force, so now an appeal to law is a bit late.

The Philippine did break the law. The Philippine invaded into Chinese territory. UNCLOS has no rights of arbitrating of territory. Learn UNCLOS, it's more about EEZs delimitation, it's not universal on sea issues. Territory issues still abide by the force or negotiation, it's not late.
 
I realise that these are difficult for you to understand, and have taken extra time and effort to explain slowly and carefully.
India has unique opportunity to act as a mediator and bridge between the US and China at the moment. Many bridges could be mended if there was a proper attempt at bringing the two main parties to the table.
The rest, as you also will agree, is just a propped up set of nations which are acting as vassals, even though that seems like a harsh view, it is a reality.
Through better relations with China, a more meaningful relationship can be built which can bring peace to all nations in the area. There could be a genuine attempt at peace between our nations later with China as a mediator which would not see India as an enemy. There is a natural alliance because three large nations, Russia, China and India could really reshape the way the geopolitical situation in the region and hopefully correct many wrongs in the region and bring the common man some semblance of peace.
India, if it wants to be a diplomatic Juggernaut, needs to move beyond simple calculated risks and foray into deeper waters and try and achieve what is difficult for other nations at the moment. I think India holds a lot of cards at the moment and their aligning themselves so easily for a few exemptions which frankly do not mean much is a folly in my eye. Good diplomacy will do what billions of dollars of military expenditure will not and maybe curb a new arms race that is going to eat all the nations in the region.
I would like your analysis on this line of thought, I may be wrong in my assumptions and would like your opinion sir.
 
While you guys (like a lone damsel in distress) have decided to take complete protection of Chinese Man and do whatever needs to be done to keep the China Man happy ....ur calculation that the 8th time bigger country will attack you is totally wrong. Let me correct myself, attack in the conventional sense.

You guys decided to fight a covert war with India. You initiated it since the partition and initially used the same trick you are currently using ( it was USA that time instead of China) to get Shiney toys ....which made you think u can snatch Kashmir from India and so indulged in foolish wars with India....

India will not go for overt war for covert war. Period. Your China man cannot do a shit about the covert war and the premise that China will intervene will fail here.

Few decades down the line...India and China will come to some kind of mutual arrangement and China will share it's booty ( it's acquired damsel) with India......and ...

its the usual story....u see..

@NALANDA Like I said that India aint even the concerned party out there than what has it got to do with NSG thing?

While you guys (like a lone damsel in distress) have decided to take complete protection of Chinese Man and do whatever needs to be done to keep the China Man happy ....ur calculation that the 8th time bigger country will attack you is totally wrong. Let me correct myself, attack in the conventional sense.

You guys decided to fight a covert war with India. You initiated it since the partition and initially used the same trick you are currently using ( it was USA that time instead of China) to get Shiney toys ....which made you think u can snatch Kashmir from India and so indulged in foolish wars with India....

India will not go for overt war for covert war. Period. Your China man cannot do a shit about the covert war and the premise that China will intervene will fail here.

Few decades down the line...India and China will come to some kind of mutual arrangement and China will share it's booty ( it's acquired damsel) with India......and ...

its the usual story....u see..

@NALANDA Like I said that India aint even the concerned party out there than what has it got to do with NSG thing?





????????...........don't know what you're going on about here. Can't really understand the points you are making. Your post is very incoherent. Pakistan does not need direct Chinese intervention during a war. What we need is TOT of high tech conventional weaponry which we are already getting in substantial amounts. During a war, this will be increased. Contrary to the mainstream media myth which severely downplays our conventional military capability. Much like they did about Pakistan's nuclear weapons capability pre-May 1998. As China along with America are the only 2 superpowers in the world, this works to Pakistan's advantage really well.
 
Do you really think that India is "superpower"? Legally annexation of Sikkim, or blockade of Nepal, threat to Bangladesh, and Sri Lanka, incitement to Pakistan?? You say China is a troll?? Do you think China is a what kind of country, swallow your pride, China is not that weak of neighbor. Like "Freedom" 251, indians are black and white upside down...

See, if your aim is to bait, flame and troll, carry on. But I shall take leave of the nonsense then. However, your interest is to engage in a logical discussion, more than willing here. You have quoted me, I had chosen not to engage with you as your stats do indicate a person usually bereft of any logic and only interested in being a complete dunce.

I had pointed out a silly post by my own country member cautioning him that the topic has no role where India is involved and it shall lead to trolling - something which your posts so far have confirmed. That stupidity invites stupids to troll and derail a great topic for a thread.

However, you quoted my post to post another silly point. And have continued since as your post above. If you are too daft to even understand that I am not interested in a troll fest nor am sitting here to explain my post when you are not even a party to my post, then by all means carry on.

Your above rant is bereft of any logic or base for further discussion. So, please stop quoting me.

Thanks

The click has any relation with the discussion?

What is this thread about? South China Sea and maintenance of peace there in.

What laws are governing the dispute? UNCLOS.

What is the link about? The UNCLOS

Is China a signatory? Yes it is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_parties_to_the_United_Nations_Convention_on_the_Law_of_the_Sea

Is China bound to follow the ruling? Yes as a signatory.

Will it? No idea.

Now are you able to get what the relation of the reference is? Or is it too much for you to correlate? Or you are simply being silly to derail the topic and are here to merely waste time and generally act a buffoon? You can let know so that I can ignore you too.

Adaman islands are either British territory, or Myanmar territory, or the local's soverignty.
India has any evidence of finding, managing the islands, before the Dutch and British Eastern Indies Corp. ?


Yes my dear 'not the brightest student of history'. Please read about the Cholas .... and then just try and post sense and not merely your ignorance .... and stick to SCS
 
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Yes, this is precisely the kind of foolishness I meant. The sort of cleverness that keeps revelling in getting out of serious trouble, without ever bothering to figure out or to think about how that trouble happened in the first place.

  1. If Pakistan had played its cards well, and had not behaved in an idiotic manner in 1947, there would never even have been hostilities.
  2. If Pakistan had not played the 'non-state actor' card in 1947, and fallen in love with the idea, it might not have tried playing the same card every time, in every hour of need,
    1. whether in 1965, in the form of SSG troops sent in to masquerade as ordinary citizens rising up in revolt;
    2. or in 1971, encouraging the Bihari Mussalman and the Bengali Islamist to join and butcher dissident Bangladeshis;
    3. or against the Soviets, joining in and attacking the Afghan state on the grounds of religious rescue of a friendly nation, and arming the mujahedin to the hilt with some of the American arms received, all the while proclaiming piously their complete disinvolvement with events across the border;
    4. or in 1999, pretending blithely that all was well, and that some hot-headed activists had taken completely unilateral and disconnected advice; or in Mumbai, again, butchering civilians in cold blood and absolving themselves of all responsibility;
    5. or by hiding OBL next to their cadet school and being wholly astonished by his detection and execution by an American raiding force which came through and went back without any let or hindrance;
    6. or today, propping up the Taliban with matchsticks on all sides, and again proclaiming even more loudly than on other occasions that they were not involved, that the Taliban leadership may or may not be present in Pakistani cities, but Pakistan had no knowledge about it;
  3. If Pakistan had not practiced militarism as a key factor of their national identity, and
    1. allowed their generals to subvert the process of governance, through the instrumentality of an officer found unfit for front-line service and protected by an extension of his career as well as the unfortunate death of the best candidate for the job; an officer who promoted himself Field Marshal without having displayed any leadership in war;
    2. allowed half of its total existence since independence to pass under military rule;
    3. allowed one war-losing dictator to be succeeded by another;
    4. allowed a sickening sycophant and an obscurantist to kill the legally elected prime minister and take power for himself, and possibly ruining Pakistan's prospects to stay on the civilian path;
    5. tried to adjust the line of control in its own favour, and been hoist by its own petard;
    6. allowed bizarre schemes to be proposed and implemented to correct earlier setbacks, without taking into account a broader and more universal disapproval of the fairly obvious adventuring displayed;
    7. allowed more dictators to come in by supporting the clinging to power of a particularly short-sighted general who had already caused humiliation to the state;
    8. continued to weaken and undermine the civilian leadership, without taking the vital leadership role themselves;
  4. If Pakistan had not displayed unbounded, unlimited aggression towards its neighbours, east or west, and I could add more than 10 examples of this behaviour, then
then there would have been no reason to fear anyone, no reason to think about your neighbour being seven or eight times bigger. There would have been no reason to become a nuclear power. Pakistan wantonly sought out danger and made enemies, to east and to west, and now tries to take credit for provoking war and making war, and then defending herself.



Perhaps that thought, that feeling of inferiority and dealing with shoddy goods is in your own mind, since I never mentioned anything of the kind. Nor did the living standards of Indian people come into my comment: again, probably a private nightmare of your own.

What I did mention was that you are being thrown a fribble, and the long-term consequences of this economic equivalent of a lollipop will cost you a lot. As other smart initiatives of the Pakistani administration has cost a lot.



That is precisely what I am saying. You are well on the way to becoming North Korea. Congratulations on your statesmanship and foresight.



Yes, indeed. Yet another bogey that you are creating, by irritating your former BFF and provoking them at every step. It was these allies, who are still formally your allies, whom Pakistanis used to cite as helping to ensure their survival against India, for instance, and Russia, when Russia had entered Afghanistan and was breathing down the neck of Pakistan. Now you seem to be hinting that these mighty friends are about to be provoked by yet another misadventure, which you will no doubt describe as a bold move for political independence, and you have better friends in place already.

Quem Deus perdere vult, Dementat prius.



You have hit gold. Dani is gold.

He was a scholar in BHU who was insulted and told to go to Pakistan, and he did. There he became their brightest star in history and archaeology.

Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose. As the bloody Sangh Parivar never found out and never will.

The rest you will find beautiful; he is a very high scholar.

There is a wonderful story about his journey to South Korea. His hosts ensured that he was comfortable and left him preparing to retire to bed. In the middle of the night, they heard him shouting and rushed to his room, fearing the worst. They found him holding an ordinary flask of water, on which there was an incription in Korean. "What has happened? What is the matter?" they asked fearfully. "I can read this!", the great man shouted, "I do not know the words, but I know what they sound like!" And he proceeded to pronounce the words, to the utter astonishment of the Korean hosts, who recognised the sounds immediately.

Dani was adept in Brahmi script, and had recognised the Korean script as a variant of Brahmi. He later pieced together his midnight discovery and found that the Korean script had indeed been adapted from Brahmi.

But that was the kind of scholar he was.

You lucky man.

For the rest,

Yes, this is precisely the kind of foolishness I meant. The sort of cleverness that keeps revelling in getting out of serious trouble, without ever bothering to figure out or to think about how that trouble happened in the first place.


Source: https://defence.pk/threads/china-sa...h-china-sea-clash.437956/page-3#ixzz4Da7vdjjJ


On the contrary, If Pakistan did not have nukes and have behaved in the way we have the past 69 years we would have suffered the same fate as Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria and Libya.
The fact that we haven't despite the odds heavily stacked against Pakistan is a miracle in itself.

China's loss = Pakistan's gain


Wrong. Pakistan's gain=China's gain. Hence why China is investing in at least $46 billion in Pakistan and is set to invest in billions more in the coming years and decades. Win win for both Pakistan and China.
 

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