China says to sanction Lockheed Martin over Taiwan arms sale

[antonius123]

Most of the technology concerning RE processing are already in the civilian domain. It's not exactly state secret. It just require the political will to do so. Now if China is that mental to ban RE exports especially to Lockmart the US government will just set up shop in Australia.

Economic 101.

How could be in civilian domain, if they dont produce REM?

The self explanatory graph doesnt agree with you.

Our fellow @kankan326 has explain the 99.9999% purity requirement. Could you name a company outside china supply with this quality?

 

[dbc]

How could be in civilian domain, if they dont produce REM?

The self explanatory graph doesnt agree with you.

Our fellow @kankan326 has explain the 99.9999% purity requirement. Could you name a company outside china supply with this quality?

Under Defense Logistics Agency (DLA) and Department of Energy (DoE) grants, the CIX/CIC process successfully produced high-purity (99.99% or 99.999%) rare earth compounds from material from Round Top and other sources. The work currently underway at our Wheat Ridge pilot plant builds on that expertise and includes the Phase I initial process preparation to separate REEs from other minerals, including targeted Critical Minerals and metals such as lithium.

https://www.globenewswire.com/news-...arth-Separation-and-Processing-Test-Work.html

 

[kankan326]

You are poorly informed, China is not exempt from the Thorium problem. In the US, plans for a portable LFTR liquid fluoride thorium reactor to power military bases is already commissioned- look for Project Pele. Once the concept is refined by the US military the reactor design will be commercially exploited. This should solve our thorium problem. We may even import your thorium in the future.

The disposal of tailings also contributes to the problem. Tailings are the ground up materials left behind once the rare earth has been extracted. Often, these tailings contain thorium, which is radioactive. Generally, tailings are placed into a large land impoundment and stored. In the U.S. strict controls are put into place and permits are required to store tailings. According to Wang Caifeng, China’s Deputy Director-General of the Materials Department of the Ministry of Industry and Information Technology, producing one ton of rare earth elements creates 2,000 tons of mine tailings.

https://thoriumenergyalliance.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/rareearth0310hurst.pdf

Before you say anything, you should know the rare earth materials can be divided into two groups: light rare earth materials and heavy earth materials. US or Australia RE mines mostly belong to light RE mines. What China can weaponize is heavy earth materials.

All you mentioned here are light RE materials.

 

[antonius123]

Under Defense Logistics Agency (DLA) and Department of Energy (DoE) grants, the CIX/CIC process successfully produced high-purity (99.99% or 99.999%) rare earth compounds from material from Round Top and other sources. The work currently underway at our Wheat Ridge pilot plant builds on that expertise and includes the Phase I initial process preparation to separate REEs from other minerals, including targeted Critical Minerals and metals such as lithium.

https://www.globenewswire.com/news-...arth-Separation-and-Processing-Test-Work.html

Still in phase 1; and still in development phase, still far away from mass production.

 

[dbc]

Before you say anything, you should know the rare earth materials can be divided into two groups: light rare earth materials and heavy earth materials. US or Australia RE mines mostly belong to light RE mines. What China can weaponize is heavy earth materials.

All you mentioned here are light RE materials.

It’s amazing good fortune, then, that out in the barren scrub of Far West Texas 85 miles east of El Paso, an unassuming 1,250-tall mountain called Round Top holds the promise of making America largely self-sufficient in these critical minerals. The mountain contains five out of six light rare earths (such as neodymium), 10 out of 11 heavy rare earths (dysprosium, for example), and all five permanent magnet materials. What’s more, Round Top has large deposits of lithium, critical for batteries in EVs and power storage

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jimvin...or-long-thanks-to-this-mountain/#2ea142e728b9

 

[mejikuhibiu]

Cant stop laugh till im farting

 

[dbc]

Still in phase 1; and still in development phase, still far away from mass production.

The US will be fully self sufficient by the end of 2021, two plants come online in 2020 the third and final one next year.

 

[AViet]

Talk is cheap, china has no capability to impose sanction like USA. See what is happening to Huawai.

China has been silent for so long. It only opens its mouth when times come. We will see who blink first soon.

 

[kankan326]

It’s amazing good fortune, then, that out in the barren scrub of Far West Texas 85 miles east of El Paso, an unassuming 1,250-tall mountain called Round Top holds the promise of making America largely self-sufficient in these critical minerals. The mountain contains five out of six light rare earths (such as neodymium), 10 out of 11 heavy rare earths (dysprosium, for example), and all five permanent magnet materials. What’s more, Round Top has large deposits of lithium, critical for batteries in EVs and power storage

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jimvin...or-long-thanks-to-this-mountain/#2ea142e728b9

I didn't say 100% heavy RE mines are in China. Finding the mine is far from they can be used. And the article didn't say how big the reserves are.

I do believe giving enough time US can resolve the REM problem. The problem is, how much time? 5 years? 10 years? I wonder if there is any company that can survive without critical materials for 5 or 10 years.

Give China 5 or 10 years, China will resolve the semiconductor problem too.

The US will be fully self sufficient by the end of 2021, two plants come online in 2020 the third and final one next year.

I doubt that. CIA had tried to steal China's REM technologies for decades. They failed when all CIA spies in China were arrested about 10 years ago.

 

[Beast]

Wait Oshkosh makes shoes? This isn't going to work. Tracking rare earth from source to ultimate destination via a dozen intermediaries who process the raw material into the next component in the value chain for LM is not practical. LM is the integrator it has thousands of international suppliers who themselves directly or indirectly source from China.

LM will need to pay higher price to obtain raw earth from China since they can't directly get it. And China reserve the right to punish those who direct their rare earth supplly to Lockheed Martin. It will hurt Lockheed Martin profit margin.

It must be middle Kingdom alien level technology

Indeed. you think processing rare earth is making shoes? Lol...

 

[antonius123]

LM will need to pay higher price to obtain raw earth from China since they can't directly get it. And China reserve the right to punish those who direct their rare earth supplly to Lockheed Martin. It will hurt Lockheed Martin profit margin.

REM cost doesnt impact much on product price, China need to stop supply/disrupt the supply chain rather than just increase the price.

 

[dbc]

I didn't say 100% heavy RE mines are in China. Finding the mine is far from they can be used. And the article didn't say how big the reserves is.

I do believe giving enough time US can resolve the REM problem. The problem is, how much time? 5 years? 10 years? I wonder if there is any company that can survive without critical materials for 5 or 10 years.

Give China 5 or 10 years, China will will resolve the semiconductor problem too.

Round top is expected to satisfy current levels of US demand for 21 years. The US will be fully self sufficient in 2021. We are sharing the CIX/CIC tech with Australia.

LM will need to pay higher price to obtain raw earth from China since they can't directly get it. And China reserve the right to punish those who direct their rare earth supplly to Lockheed Martin. It will hurt Lockheed Martin profit margin.


Indeed. you think processing rare earth is making shoes? Lol...

Read the whole thread before you vigorously wave your flag.

 

[kankan326]

Round top is expected to satisfy current levels of US demand for 21 years. The US will be fully self sufficient in 2021. We are sharing the CIX/CIC tech with Australia.

Firstly I don't believe US can do it next year. Secondly, if US/Australian companies use Chinese IP to refine REMs, China can sue them. Remember Huawei ban yet? No US technologies could be used for Huawei. Same kind of ban can be applied to US companies.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

Still in phase 1; and still in development phase, still far away from mass production.

If it's just for the military sector they won't need much.

Making the sanction a pointless waste of time.

 

[bolo]

Under Defense Logistics Agency (DLA) and Department of Energy (DoE) grants, the CIX/CIC process successfully produced high-purity (99.99% or 99.999%) rare earth compounds from material from Round Top and other sources. The work currently underway at our Wheat Ridge pilot plant builds on that expertise and includes the Phase I initial process preparation to separate REEs from other minerals, including targeted Critical Minerals and metals such as lithium.

https://www.globenewswire.com/news-...arth-Separation-and-Processing-Test-Work.html

You missed a very important point:
"“This is an important step towards USA Rare Earth’s objective to build the first rare earth and critical minerals processing facility outside China and to bring the Round Top project into full commercial production,”

They are only in phase one testing.