China says Rohingya issue should not be 'internationalised'

[haidian]

China has the power to persuade both parties on a peaceful and timely resolution on this matter. .

That's exactly what China has been doing, check your source again.

 

[UKBengali]

That's exactly what China has been doing, check your source again.

Well not a single refugee from BD has returned yet.

Why can you not control your puppets?

 

[haidian]

Not necessarily.

US-led forces liberated Kuwait from Iraq in 1991 in a span of 45 days, and this war was brilliantly executed on the whole. Vietnam War was a valuable teacher.

Kosovo War (1998 - 1999) also ended well for the victimized entities after intervention from NATO, with liberation of Bosnia and Herzegovina from (former) Yugoslavia.

NATO also enabled Libyan rebels to topple Qaddafi-led regime in Libya without much bloodshed. This operation was also brilliantly executed.

Every conflict is different and respective outcome may vary.

Myanmar didn't invade another country so your examples are off the mark, and Myanmar geographically and ethnically is just same as Vietnam, a place even today will make US poop their pants, any military intervention won't end up well.

 

[LeGenD]

Myanmar didn't invade another country so your examples are off the mark, and Myanmar geographically and ethnically is just same as Vietnam, a place even today will make US poop their pants, any military intervention won't end up well.

Libya did not invade another country either. Yugoslavia did not invade another country either. Both were in the state of civil war.

All US need to do is to cripple Myanmar's ability to fight with precision strikes, and create a buffer zone on the ground - a safe haven for Rohingya Muslims. Problem solved.

Regarding Myanmar geography being tough, don't make me laugh. American war-machine - in its current form - would have no issue conducting operations there, and even in Vietnam. American military hardware is entirely different (and much more capable at present) since the days of Vietnam War. American war-fighting experience is also vastly greater today.

 

[haidian]

Libya did not invade another country either - Your point?
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That's foreign aggression, why US should attack Lybia, a sovereign nation? It's just an example of imperialist aggression, invading a nation under false pretext and you mentioned that as credit for US?

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

If the US Navy was to bomb Myanmar using a couple of aircraft carriers, what could you do?
USN attacks for 48 hours, devastates Myanmar and then leaves.

You are still a developing country and way behind US global power.

Good luck to Bangladesh and Donald Trump then.

Maybe if you are successful then everyone will forget the fact that the entire world was laughing at the USA in the UN a few days ago. Except Bangladesh I guess?

By the way, China fought directly against the USA during the 1950 Korean War, pushing them into the longest retreat in US military history. And then we fought directly against the USSR during the Sino-Soviet Split in the 1960's.

We are more than capable of fending off any invasion, I don't think Bangladesh or Myanmar can claim the same.

 

[haidian]

Libya did not invade another country either. Yugoslavia did not invade another country either. Both were in the state of civil war.
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US repeatedly accues China of oppressing her people and violating human rights and being an evil regime in almost everything, do you believe that US also has the right to invade China? As they used those accusations to invade Lybia.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

China is on the wrong here imo. What is happening in Myanmar is objectively atrocious and unacceptable. It is also much more than an "internal matter".

China has the power to persuade both parties on a peaceful and timely resolution on this matter. The fact that Myanmar is actually a strategic partner means that China has even more powers than diplomatic persuasion towards them to solve this. It has the power to pressure the situation.

I have to disagree, China successfully solved the Kokang issue in Myanmar without internationalising it. Now Myanmar recognizes the Kokang as legitimate Burmese citizens.

China is trying to do the same thing again, but there are other players in the world trying to stop it (USA + Bangladesh), by turning it into an international issue, and putting the Myanmar government in a position where they cannot back down without losing face. Which is a very stupid thing to do.

Needless to say, this approach has failed and the Rohingya are paying the ultimate price for it.

 

[LeGenD]

That's foreign aggression, why US should attack Lybia, a sovereign nation? It's just an example of imperialist aggression, invading a nation under false pretext and you mentioned that as credit for US?

My points (and examples) are in the context of "brilliantly executed operations" - in earlier posts.

From moral standpoint, I was vocal against interventions of NATO in Libya and Iraq. These were blatant violations of the sovereignty of Libya and Iraq - no ifs and buts.

On the other hand, Libya and Iraq turned into international flashpoints due to ill-advised set-of-actions of their respective regimes. Situation in Myanmar is taking a similar turn.

 

[Dante80]

I have to disagree, China successfully solved the Kokang issue in Myanmar without internationalising it. Now Myanmar recognizes the Kokang as legitimate Burmese citizens.

China is trying to do the same thing again, but there are other players in the world trying to stop it (USA + Bangladesh), by turning it into an international issue, and putting the Myanmar government in a position where they cannot back down without losing face. Which is a very stupid thing to do.

Needless to say, this approach has failed and the Rohingya are paying the ultimate price for it.

I actually agree with you. China is trying to do the same thing again.

What I said in my post is that China has the power to persuade both sides (especially Myanmar) to reach a peaceful resolution. Quoting this as a simple bilateral matter though is a priori wrong, and Bangladesh has every right to not view this as one (especially since it is the entity that has to handle the fallout of what happened in Myanmar (whether the government of Myanmar is responsible for this or not - or at what point - is an irrelevant matter imo..and a toxic one at that).

It is both logical and expected that other actors will want to join the subject and influence it accordingly, simply to serve their own interests instead of seeing the objective truth restored. This is how the game works, and it is highly hypocritical.

It is for this exact reason that China (which as I explained above has the influence and pressure capabilities to solve this promptly) has to act fast, and make their Myanmar allies in the upper echelons of the regime unhappy.

Because them being happy means the Rohingyas will keep on suffering. You know that this is the objective truth, if you have researched the subject at hand.

 

[haidian]

On the other hand, Libya and Iraq turned into international flashpoints due to ill-advised set-of-actions of their respective regimes. Situation in Myanmar is taking a similar turn.

You are wrong, it's all in the hands of US manipulation, if US still has a slightest sense of morals, why didn't it invade Israel?

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

I actually agree with you. China is trying to do the same thing again.

What I said in my post is that China has the power to persuade both sides (especially Myanmar) to reach a peaceful resolution. Quoting this as a simple bilateral matter though is a priori wrong, and Bangladesh has every right to not view this as one (especially since it is the entity that has to handle the fallout of what happened in Myanmar (whether the government of Myanmar is responsible for this or not - or at what point - is an irrelevant matter imo..and a toxic one at that).

It is both logical and expected that other actors will want to join the subject and influence it accordingly, simply to serve their own interests instead of seeing the objective truth restored. This is how the game works, and it is highly hypocritical.

It is for this exact reason that China (which as I explained above has the influence and pressure capabilities to solve this promptly) has to act fast, and make their Myanmar allies in the upper echelons of the regime unhappy.

Because them being happy means the Rohingyas will keep on suffering. You know that this is the objective truth, if you have researched the subject at hand.

Everyone is trying to serve their own interests here, I don't think anyone believes that politicians like Donald Trump for instance really truly care about what happens to refugees whom he has never met. Especially Muslim refugees in the case of Donald Trump.

China wanted a "win" just like with the Kokang issue, by using diplomatic pressure to reach a compromise with Myanmar. Giving them a face saving escape route that they could play as a "win" for their domestic population.

However, after the USA + Bangladesh have splashed this issue all over the world, turning it into a giant international issue, the Myanmar government now cannot back down without looking like they have lost face.

Imagine what Donald Trump and Bangladesh would say if Myanmar backed down? They would wave it all over the world as their own personal victory (regardless of what actually happens to the Rohingya), while Myanmar would look like it has backed down under US pressure, which is a death sentence for their government, since they would lose the support of the rest of the country.

They have put Myanmar in a corner from which they cannot back down. What kind of diplomacy is this, I don't understand it. They have doomed the Rohingya to improve their own political support base. And they are playing the humanitarian fiddle as if they were actually trying to help them all along, it is obscene.

 

[haidian]

US always has a bigger design when stirring up international crisis, very often the targets are either Russia or China.

 

[Dante80]

Everyone is trying to serve their own interests here, I don't think anyone believes that politicians like Donald Trump for instance really truly care about what happens to refugees whom he has never met. Especially Muslim refugees in the case of Donald Trump.

China wanted a "win" just like with the Kokang issue, by using diplomatic pressure to reach a compromise with Myanmar. Giving them a face saving escape route that they could play as a "win" for their domestic population.

However, after the USA + Bangladesh have splashed this issue all over the world, turning it into a giant international issue, the Myanmar government now cannot back down without looking like they have lost face.

Imagine what Donald Trump and Bangladesh would say if Myanmar backed down? They would wave it all over the world as their own personal victory (regardless of what actually happens to the Rohingya), while Myanmar would look like it has backed down under US pressure, which is a death sentence for their government, since they would lose the support of the rest of the country.

They have put Myanmar in a corner from which they cannot back down. What kind of diplomacy is this, I don't understand it. They have doomed the Rohingya to improve their own political support base. And they are playing the humanitarian fiddle as if they were actually trying to help them all along, it is obscene.

Agreed on all points. Which is why imo China should still act as the mediator, and press on to resolve this matter on the basis of what actually happens to the Rohingya (the exact thing that all other sides politicking about it are ignoring). If you have the power to do the right thing, you do it. China should not - in my humble opinion - be known in the World as yet another power politicking and serving their interests to the detriment of what we all call the objective good (yes, it exists, and any person using his/her logic can find it).

And if China succeeds in this, the self-serving congratulations of uninvited extras will ring hollow. Both to the ears of the Rohingya and to that of the thinking world. And I'm saying this with a straight face, while knowing that I myself am pretty cynical as far as geopolitics are concerned.

Just my take on this. Cheers..C:

 

[Species]

Everyone is trying to serve their own interests here, I don't think anyone believes that politicians like Donald Trump for instance really truly care about what happens to refugees whom he has never met. Especially Muslim refugees in the case of Donald Trump.

China wanted a "win" just like with the Kokang issue, by using diplomatic pressure to reach a compromise with Myanmar. Giving them a face saving escape route that they could play as a "win" for their domestic population.

However, after the USA + Bangladesh have splashed this issue all over the world, turning it into a giant international issue, the Myanmar government now cannot back down without looking like they have lost face.

Imagine what Donald Trump and Bangladesh would say if Myanmar backed down? They would wave it all over the world as their own personal victory (regardless of what actually happens to the Rohingya), while Myanmar would look like it has backed down under US pressure, which is a death sentence for their government, since they would lose the support of the rest of the country.

They have put Myanmar in a corner from which they cannot back down. What kind of diplomacy is this, I don't understand it. They have doomed the Rohingya to improve their own political support base. And they are playing the humanitarian fiddle as if they were actually trying to help them all along, it is obscene.

Either you are not familiar with the realities or you are just asking too much from Bangladesh.

We didn't even shoot a bullet when Myanmar repeatedly breached our airspace, trusting China's leadership on this issue, we could have made it something even 'more than internationalized' at that time. China took the responsibility but failed to deliver, more than 1 year has passed and not a single refugee has returned to Myanmar. You can't expect us sitting idle and bear the brunt of refugee inflow forever.

When refugees are crossing the international boundaries, the issue is bound to be internationalized.