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China satellite navigation starts services to Asia

it has the limited ability to send and transmit short messages(sms service), more than just tourism, its meant as a life saving measure, for instance a lost fishing ship, tht has lost its propulsion, can transmit a short sos to the government.

Galileo has this also. I wonder if there are any intellectual property disputes in regard to this and if this is the reason China was kicked off the programme without reimbursement.
 
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Beidou has something better than GPS,though I don't quite understand how this part works.

1. independent - we are our own boss!
2. text messages enabled
3. GPS compatible ( not vice versa)
4. more accurate and wider coverage in Asia Pacific (no blind spot as claimed)
5. estimated $multi-billion/year business
 
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Galileo has this also. I wonder if there are any intellectual property disputes in regard to this and if this is the reason China was kicked off the programme without reimbursement.

no, the reason china left(this is well documented) was because china did not get what it was promised, Europe invited china as a way to snub the US, but then relation got better and Europe started to withhold tech that was suppose to be shared equally, china got sick of this non-sense(it didnt get what it paid for) and decided to go its own way, and possibly as a snub(or security since u cant jam one without jamming the other) to Europe decided to use the same transmit bands and since the way the bands are distributed internationally based on first come first serve, china will get there first and have priority over the European system. the SMS service isnt exactly hard to implement, heck give me a micro controller ill built you a sms device that talks to other similar systems.
 
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The US government can track you using GPS as well. In fact, it's perfectly legal for the US government to stick a GPS tracker on your car and follow you without a warrant.

People who are paranoid of governments wouldn't use GPS anyway.
Do you even know how GPS tracking works?

How does a GPS tracking system work?
A passive GPS tracking system will monitor location and will store its data on journeys based on certain types of events. So, for example, this kind of GPS system may log data such as where the device has traveled in the past 12 hours. The data stored on this kind of GPS tracking system is usually stored in internal memory or on a memory card, which can then be downloaded to a computer at a later date for analysis. In some cases the data can be sent automatically for wireless download at predetermined points/times or can be requested at specific points during the journey.

An active GPS tracking system is also known as a real-time system as this method automatically sends the information on the GPS system to a central tracking portal or system in real-time as it happens. This kind of system is usually a better option for commercial purposes such as fleet tracking or monitoring of people, such as children or elderly, as it allows a caregiver to know exactly where loved ones are, whether they are on time and whether they are where they are supposed to be during a journey. This is also a useful way of monitoring the behavior of employees as they carry out their work and of streamlining internal processes and procedures for delivery fleets.

Real-Time GPS Tracking
Real-time vehicle tracking systems rely on both the Global Positioning System (GPS) satellites and a cellular system. A GPS tracking module continuously picks up the vehicle's precise coordinates, which determines the real-time location of the vehicle that's being tracked. Using a cellular data service such as GPRS, the tracking coordinates are immediately transmitted onto a secured server by pinging the device.
To sum it up for the American system...

A GPS receiver works for the user -- YOU. It does not send any data anywhere/anyone. Only to you via its display. The American GPS satellite does not have real time 2-way communication with your receiver and this is verifiable because there are plenty of commercial GPS receivers on the market and anyone of them will expose such a feature if found.

Real time GPS monitoring is not even 2-way communication, as explained by the two sources above. The GPS receiver in this situation does not work for you but for someone else. You may know about it like how a UPS/Fedex driver know or you may be ignorant about it like how a criminal is being surreptitiously monitored by the police. The GPS receiver/tracker execute a 1-way communication with the GPS satellites to establish the current location. Then it execute another 1-way communication path through another system to upload its current location.

Passive tracking mean the tracking device remembers its location points, allowed by its memory capacity, and upload that entire history ONLY WHEN IT HAS ACCESS TO THAT OTHER COMMUNICATION PATH/SYSTEM.

Active tracking mean the tracking device must have a constant lock on that other communication path/system in order to constantly update its many location points. If for whatever reasons it does not have access or it lost that lock, mountains or tunnels or tall buildings, it may be designed to become a passive tracker and upload when convenient, or it may not remember anything at all and just dump the current location into that virtual trash bin.

But no matter which design, a GPS tracker does not use the American style GPS satellites to upload its location points. It must have an alternate communication path/system.

Not so with BDS...

BeiDou Navigation Satellite System ? News
I. About the service performances of BeiDou System
The main service performances of BeiDou System in China and its surrounding areas are as follows:
1. Positioning Accuracy: Horizontally, 10 meters, vertically, 10 meters;
2. Velocity accuracy: 0.2 meters per second;
3. Timing accuracy: one-way 50 ns;
4.Two-way high precision timing and short message communications service can be provided.
A BDS receiver can be designed to work only for you. Or it can be designed to work for you and the Chinese government via that 2-way communication capability built in into the BDS satellites. You may know about that design feature or you may be ignorant of it when you bought it. The manufacturer may be legally obligated to tell you that he is in cahoots with the Chinese government, or he may not be so legally obligated. He may tell you about it in the fine print legalese paragraph inside the user manual but then most likely you will disregard it anyway.

So which government should you really be paranoid about?
 
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it has the limited ability to send and transmit short messages(sms service), more than just tourism, its meant as a life saving measure, for instance a lost fishing ship, tht has lost its propulsion, can transmit a short sos to the government.
But never for any nefarious intent...No sireeeeee...:lol:
 
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The fact stands that the GPS/BDS systems can be used as a method of tracking citizens, passive or otherwise. The government can pull your phone location data from carrier providers without the need to notify you. Concerns of GPS data is just one aspect of the greater discussion on the ability of the government to track you digitally.

There's no paranoia regarding being tracked by the Chinese government, as you already have the expectation of such actions. :laugh:
While for the US, there's the uncertainty on whether you are a target of interest of the government. That's the real paranoia.

Any defense towards supporting government tracking has the same logic: "I'm perfectly innocent, so why would the government want to spy on me?" This line of thinking is more prevalent in the US, as it isn't an Authoritarian state.
 
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Qualcomm adds two new China-bound SoCs to its Snapdragon S4 lineup
Qualcomm's Snapdragon S4 chips are flying off the shelves so fast these days that the company's had to enlist other manufacturing companies just to keep up with the demand. That's not keeping the San Diego-based firm from further expanding its entry-level quad-core lineup, however, as Qualcomm just unveiled the MSM8226 and MSM8626 CPUs plus their QRD counterparts.

Each features an Adreno 305 GPU capable of 1080p video recording and playback and support for up to 13-megapixel shooters. The 28nm silicon also packs dual SIM support, multi-modal radios tuned to Chinese TD-SCDMA, CDMA and HSPA+ networks and has GPS, GLONASS and Beidou on board as well. Aside from the broad frequency coverage, the new radio promises 40 percent power savings and is 60 percent smaller than Qualcomm's older comparable wireless transceivers. Want to know more? PR awaits after the break.
Who knows, maybe Qualcomm and any cell phone manufacturer that use their chips would work with the Chinese government to spy on you!!
FYI, the SMS system of Beidou is not provided free of charge.
 
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no, the reason china left(this is well documented) was because china did not get what it was promised, Europe invited china as a way to snub the US, but then relation got better and Europe started to withhold tech that was suppose to be shared equally, china got sick of this non-sense(it didnt get what it paid for) and decided to go its own way,

Some source please.


and possibly as a snub(or security since u cant jam one without jamming the other) to Europe decided to use the same transmit bands and since the way the bands are distributed internationally based on first come first serve, china will get there first and have priority over the European system.

Frequencies overlap for all nav systems.

Yang%20GNSS%20Spectrum.jpg
500px-Gps_compass_galileo_frequency_allocation_Asimsky_05_2008.jpg

Compass is the Beidou in this graph.

Also

Meanwhile, China and the European Union (EU) have signed a Joint Statement on Space Technology Cooperation that indicates they will try to work out a long-standing dispute over a the overlay of an encrypted BeiDou signal planned for government/military use on the same frequency as Galileo’s proposed Public Regulated Service (PRS).

“Both sides . . . look forward to the resolution of the Galileo/EGNOS and Compass frequency issue under the ITU [International Telecommunication Union] Framework and welcome the agreement for an ITU coordination meeting in December 2012 in Paris,” stated a document signed September 20 as an annex to a broader EU-China summit in Brussels.

http://www.insidegnss.com/node/3245

the SMS service isnt exactly hard to implement, heck give me a micro controller ill built you a sms device that talks to other similar systems.

It was your fellow compatriots that were making it all the rage. i just explained that it is not unique.
 
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The fact stands that the GPS/BDS systems can be used as a method of tracking citizens, passive or otherwise.
Not the American GPS. If you are proven wrong, be man enough to admit it.
 
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The SMS system of Beidou is planned to be having global coverage. While there are other satellite phone system that provide SMS/data as well, they are a standalone system without GPS.
The Beidou is integrated GPS and SMS system. On the system side, it is a single satellite network and on the user side it is a single receiver that provide both functions.
Did Galileo copy that idea? I did a search of the web that turn out no evident of that.
 
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Not the American GPS. If you are proven wrong, be man enough to admit it.

They can easily pull the GPS data from your phones from the carriers and service providers. Isn't that tracking? Logging your GPS location data and transmitting it through other means is still tracking no matter how you look at it.

Unless you're arguing about semantics how it isn't GPS tracking because the device doesn't send the data to the satellites. ??
 
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So how is the pathetic galileo now???

China has no time to waste with EU's in-fights has been already way ahead.

Let's make Beidou a commercial success as well.



Galileo has this also. I wonder if there are any intellectual property disputes in regard to this and if this is the reason China was kicked off the programme without reimbursement.
 
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They can easily pull the GPS data from your phones from the carriers and service providers. Isn't that tracking? Logging your GPS location data and transmitting it through other means is still tracking no matter how you look at it.

Unless you're arguing about semantics how it isn't GPS tracking because the device doesn't send the data to the satellites. ??

Tracking equipment by private companies is different than govt accessing the data to oppress it's people and opposition. that's a fundamental difference...
 
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Tracking equipment by private companies is different than govt accessing the data to oppress it's people and opposition. that's a fundamental difference...

We have something India don't have (and won't have for atleast 15-20 years if ever). All the other talk is irrelevant.
 
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