China’s Bizarre Claims On The South China Sea.

[OrionHunter]

The Chinese military declared recently that China had "indisputable sovereignty" over the South China Sea. Col Geng, (a Ministry of Defense spokesman), remarks were in reaction to a push by the United States, Vietnam and other Southeast Asian countries to challenge China's claims to the whole sea.

Here’s a map of the South China Sea which China claims it has sovereignty over as indicated by the Red dotted line.

The United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) shows the light Blue Dotted line as 200 Nautical Mile Economic Zone for the Philippines, Vietnam, Brunei, Malaysia, China and Indonesia.

The Blue dotted line includes most parts of the Kalayaan Island Group (Spratly) of the Philippines. UNCLOS did not show any territorial rights for China in the West Philippine Sea of the South China Sea which is within Philippines jurisdiction and closer to the Kalayaan Island Group of the Philippines.

The Philippines have recorded six intrusions by china in the West Philippine Sea this year alone.

The question is, why isn’t China adhering to UNCLOS? They are a party to this agreement which the Standing Committee of the National People’s Congress ratified on 15th May1996. In April this year, China countered a previous Philippine diplomatic protest at the United Nations by saying it has indisputable sovereignty over the Spratly. Later it said that China's claim to the islands and nearby geographic features was detailed in a map submitted to the U.N. in 2009 (See above). Vietnam and Malaysia have also filed protests to the United Nations against this Chinese map.

So what’s the problem? …

The Indonesian foreign ministry’s chief maritime law expert, after several fruitless trips to Beijing to try to reach an agreement over the PRC’s EEZ as it related to the Indonesian-administered Natuna Islands, complained that “They tell us this is the national heritage of China…They don’t argue, they just go on talking about Chinese dynasties…We have a great deal of difficulty analyzing what they’re claiming.”

In other words as far as China is concerned, all UN conventions like the UNCLOS are not worth the paper they are written on. What’s important to them is their dynastical heritage which goes back a couple of hundred years! And which they consider law rather than UN conventions. China's historians have also pointed to ancient shards of pottery on atolls as proof that the sea has historically belonged to China! Well, how far can they go back in history?

It’s high time China started behaving like an emerging power and not be needling countries based on its misplaced historical accounts that have no meaning in today’s world.

 

[Tshering22]

China's historians have also pointed to ancient shards of pottery on atolls as proof that the sea has historically belonged to China!

Oh goodness! What a logic! Then according to our Chinese friends, we should border:

- Uzbekistan in the north (Tushara, Uttara Kuru, Madra, Sushena, Gandharva, Takshashila being ancient trade and capital cities to our emperors),

- Han China in the northeast (Mount Kailasha and Lake Manasarovar being holy to all branches of Dharmic faiths),

- Vietnam in Southeast (Champa kingdom bordered the Varman and other subsidiary dynasties),

- Papua New Guinea in the Oceania (Sri Wijaya empire comprised of entire Malaya and to this date hosts Buddhist and mainstream Hindu holy sites as well as local populations of our culture; not to mention the powerful Majapahits),

- And of course, the Haindava Mahasagara ( what is called today as the Indian Ocean in English).

In short: Akhand Bharat.

 

[ChinaToday]

where is the link

 

[beijingwalker]

if history doesnt count and whoever closer to the islands can have them,then the whole world map has to be changed big time,US,UK, France wont let it happen.where is Guam on the world map?

 

[OrionHunter]

if history doesnt count and whoever closer to the islands can have them,then the whole world map has to be changed big time,US,UK, France wont let it happen.where is Guam on the world map?

History doesn't count. EEZs have been clearly demarcated for all littoral countries and ratified by 158 countries under UNCLOS, INCLUDING CHINA!

China being a permanent member of the SC should all the more act with responsibility instead of behaving like a kid who desperately cries for a toy!

 

[OrionHunter]

where is the link

Link? I've written this after spending hours visiting many web sites and reading papers on the subject including the UN treaties on the subject, most notably UNCLOS. You can Google all the info you want. It's all there!

Cheers!

 

[Nomenclature]

History doesn't count. EEZs have been clearly demarcated for all littoral countries and ratified by 158 countries under UNCLOS, INCLUDING CHINA!

China being a permanent member of the SC should all the more act with responsibility instead of behaving like a kid who desperately cries for a toy!

I don't think UNCLOS gives a country the right to extend their EEZs into other countries' territorial waters.

 

[OrionHunter]

I don't think UNCLOS gives a country the right to extend their EEZs into other countries' territorial waters.

Exactly! Article 57 of the UNCLOS treaty lays down the breadth of the exclusive economic zone:

The exclusive economic zone shall not extend beyond 200 nautical miles from the baselines from which the breadth of the territorial sea is measured.


Here's more...PREAMBLE TO THE UNITED NATIONS CONVENTION ON THE LAW OF THE SEA

Cheers!

 

[beijingwalker]

based on that rule,US,Uk and France will lose most of their lands.

---------- Post added at 05:30 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:28 PM ----------

Ancient Chinese maps record the "Thousand Li Stretch of Sands"; Qianli Changsha (千里長&#27801 and the "Ten-Thousand Li of Stone Pools"; Wanli Shitang (萬里石&#22616,[6] which China today claims refers to the Spratly Islands. The Wanli Shitang have been explored by the Chinese since the Yuan Dynasty and may have been considered by them to have been within their national boundaries. [7][8] They are also referenced in the 13th century,[9] followed by the Ming Dynasty.[10] When the Ming Dynasty collapsed, the Qing Dynasty continued to include the territory in maps compiled in 1724,[11] 1755,[12] 1767,[13] 1810,[14] and 1817.[15]

 

[Viva_Viet]

based on that rule,US,Uk and France will lose most of their lands.

UK attack on Farlk Land still recognized as a ilegal occupation by UN.

Ancient Chinese maps record the "Thousand Li Stretch of Sands"; Qianli Changsha (千里長&#27801 and the "Ten-Thousand Li of Stone Pools"; Wanli Shitang (萬里石&#22616,[6] which China today claims refers to the Spratly Islands. The Wanli Shitang have been explored by the Chinese since the Yuan Dynasty and may have been considered by them to have been within their national boundaries. [7][8] They are also referenced in the 13th century,[9] followed by the Ming Dynasty.[10] When the Ming Dynasty collapsed, the Qing Dynasty continued to include the territory in maps compiled in 1724,[11] 1755,[12] 1767,[13] 1810,[14] and 1817.[15]

But you didn't maintain your clam continuously , base on hystory record , when Friench complained CHina about pirate attack in those islands in Quing dynasty , your officers say: it's An Nam sea territory, CHina don't have responsible about it.

That why, CHina dare not to sue VN to international course bcz Quing dynasty gave up the sovreignty right over those isalnds already.

Quing dynasty map did not draw those islands

 

[SinoChallenger]

Oh goodness! What a logic! Then according to our Chinese friends, we should border:

- Uzbekistan in the north (Tushara, Uttara Kuru, Madra, Sushena, Gandharva, Takshashila being ancient trade and capital cities to our emperors),

- Han China in the northeast (Mount Kailasha and Lake Manasarovar being holy to all branches of Dharmic faiths),

- Vietnam in Southeast (Champa kingdom bordered the Varman and other subsidiary dynasties),

- Papua New Guinea in the Oceania (Sri Wijaya empire comprised of entire Malaya and to this date hosts Buddhist and mainstream Hindu holy sites as well as local populations of our culture; not to mention the powerful Majapahits),

- And of course, the Haindava Mahasagara ( what is called today as the Indian Ocean in English).

In short: Akhand Bharat.

Indian was never a country in ancient times. It was always small Hindu kingdoms. Those were put to the sword and inhabitants were enslaved 1000 years ago by Timur and other invaders. Present-day India cannot claim based on ancient Hindu kingdoms.

China is a single continuous country. Spratly Islands have been part of China since Ming and Qing dynasties.

Today, the main island of Spratlys, called Taiping Island, is still under Chinese (Taiwan) control. But Vietnam and Philippines have invaded many of our other islands. They must be taught a lesson by our military!

 

[beijingwalker]

if there is a law,the law should be practiced everywhere in the world,if US,UK,France....all accept this law and give their islands to the countries neighboring those islands,then we may talk about that.that means completely no history be taken account,only based on geographical vicinity.

 

[SinoChallenger]

Please learn to read. Spratly Islands belong to China. We would claim up to 200 nautical miles EEZ from the territorial sea of each island in the Spratly group. Not more than that.

Exactly! Article 57 of the UNCLOS treaty lays down the breadth of the exclusive economic zone:

The exclusive economic zone shall not extend beyond 200 nautical miles from the baselines from which the breadth of the territorial sea is measured.

Here's more...PREAMBLE TO THE UNITED NATIONS CONVENTION ON THE LAW OF THE SEA

Cheers!

 

[golmaal]

Please learn to read. Spratly Islands belong to China. We would claim up to 200 nautical miles EEZ from the territorial sea of each island in the Spratly group. Not more than that.

No it is not belongs to china.. it is a disputed territory.
States staking claims to various islands are- the People's Republic of China,Taiwan, Malaysia, Philippines, Vietnam, and Brunei

 

[OrionHunter]

Please learn to read. Spratly Islands belong to China. We would claim up to 200 nautical miles EEZ from the territorial sea of each island in the Spratly group. Not more than that.

Wrong interpretation. Spratly islands is not a nation or a coastal state and therefore its having an EEZ does not arise. And it lies outside China's EEZ. Period! (Check the map in my opening post).