China, Russia block U.N. council concern about Myanmar violence

[mike2000 is back]

I think Bangladesh can persuade Russia to take a neutral position in UN if vigorous diplomatic initiative is undertaken.Russia is a far away country.It has only business interest in myanmar unlike China which is a direct neighbor and have geo-political and economic interest.Russia also have large business interest in Bangladesh.They are building 12 billion dollar nuclear power plant in Bangladesh as well as supplying billions of dollar worth arms.Russian hydrocarbon giant Gazprom is also present in BD.Russia's geo-political interest mainly lies in Baltic, Black sea, Arctic and northen Pacific.Not in Bay of Bengal or Indian ocean unlike China.But for China, making them neutral is an uphill battle task for Bangladesh nearing impossible in current scenario.

Bengladesh needs Russia far more than Russia needs Bengladesh. So Bengladesh procuring all these weapons and investment from Russia is out of necessity, it doesn't affect Russia much. So Bengladesh has no leverage whatsoever to be honest . So Russia doesn't need to condemn Myanmar to appease Bengladesh at all. Russia will continue supporting the Myanmar government like they have for a while, and that won't affect Russia's relations with Bengladesh at all. So why should Russia change a winning policy?

BD's best bet is UK/Germany and somewhat USA.
UNSC is not that important as long as we can persuade EU and USA to bring back sanction. We also need to pursue west to not to let Burmese army to use Su-Ki as their cover up.
UNSC never imposed any sanction and resolution yet west were able to put that country back to dark ages until Su-Ki came to power.

And to all naysayers, sanction does work. Look how military at least agreed to share power. Without sanction this would not had possible.

The next set of action is Internatioal Crime Tribunal which does not require UNSC but UN general assembly will suffice. I hope that is the direction BD should go instead of beating the bush.

Hmmmm.....looking at what you just wrote. Are you really ready to be accused of being a brainwashed western lapdog?

 

[BDforever]

Hmmmm.....looking at what you just wrote. Are you really ready to be accused of being a brainwashed western lapdog?

You see, every one is focusing on its interest, why shall not we ?
You know BD is recently buying 2 C130J from RAF like other western stuffs purchase
I think now you will see more Bangladesh's global engagement

 

[Homo Sapiens]

Bengladesh needs Russia far more than Russia needs Bengladesh. So Bengladesh procuring all these weapons and investment from Russia is out of necessity, it doesn't affect Russia much. So Bengladesh has no leverage whatsoever to be honest . So Russia doesn't need to condemn Myanmar to appease Bengladesh at all. Russia will continue supporting the Myanmar government like they have for a while, and that won't affect Russia's relations with Bengladesh at all. So why should Russia change a winning policy?

what leverage myanmar have over Russia which Bangladesh don't have? I have already said, Russian interest in both countries are mainly business related.Russia will support more with which it can do more business.And Russia is doing more business with Bangladesh than burma.

 

[TopCat]

what leverage myanmar have over Russia which Bangladesh don't have? I have already said, Russian interest in both countries are mainly business related.Russia will support more with which it can do more business.And Russia is doing more business with Bangladesh than burma.

Burma is a outcast in the western world which itself is a leverage to Russia. Where else Burmese military can go? BD can go anywhere specially we have excellent relationship with west and viewed as western ally.

 

[Banglar Bir]

Burma is a outcast in the western world which itself is a leverage to Russia. Where else Burmese military can go? BD can go anywhere specially we have excellent relationship with west and viewed as western ally.

Agreed,we desperately need to align our Foreign Policy objectives and goals accordingly,shift to look West policy instead of the East and to revert back towards the new emerging tigers.

 

[Homo Sapiens]

Burma is a outcast in the western world which itself is a leverage to Russia. Where else Burmese military can go? BD can go anywhere specially we have excellent relationship with west and viewed as western ally.

Russia will embrace burma forcefully only if western country impose sanction again.Currently Suu kiy is still the darling of western countries and I don't think they will impose sanction as long as junta can deceive them that suu kiy is running the country.So Russia will not get much benefit there.Most of the lucrative deal has gone to China, Japan or western countries.Except for some arms export, Russia gained not much since 2011 in burma.

 

[TopCat]

Russia will embrace burma forcefully only if western country impose sanction again.Currently Suu kiy is still the darling of western countries and I don't think they will impose sanction as long as junta can deceive them that suu kiy is running the country.So Russia will not get much benefit there.Most of the lucrative deal has gone to China, Japan or western countries.Except for some arms export, Russia gained not much since 2011 in burma.

We are in early stage. Once UN and other rights body get into your back, its hard to get it over with. They have great lobby in the west. Just look at Sri Lanka, their economy is in shatter only because they did not allow war crime investigation. China could not bail them out. It is still the west which calls the shot when it comes to economy. If west put sanction then Japanese will ruan away. All chinese investment which were looking for western market will run away also.
The days for cold war is over. Nobody will give you nothing for free. Weapons are expensive toys and we should keep burmese poor to make it weak.

 

[Homo Sapiens]

We are in early stage. Once UN and other rights body get into your back, its hard to get it over with. They have great lobby in the west. Just look at Sri Lanka, their economy is in shatter only because they did not allow war crime investigation. China could not bail them out. It is still the west which calls the shot when it comes to economy. If west put sanction then Japanese will ruan away. All chinese investment which were looking for western market will run away also.
The days for cold war is over. Nobody will give you nothing for free. Weapons are expensive toys and we should keep burmese poor to make it weak.

I very much doubt west will impose sanction again on myanmar solely for Rohingya issue.It will only happen if junta remove Suu kyi from power and go to the old way.Although 'The Hague' option is worth exploring for Bangladesh.

 

[TopCat]

I very much doubt west will impose sanction again on myanmar solely for Rohingya issue.It will only happen if junta remove Suu kyi from power and go to the old way.Although 'The Hague' option is worth exploring for Bangladesh.

More drama will be unfolding in recent future.
1) They are no way in a mood to implement Annan Commission the way it was intended to be. The very reason they are driving out people so that they can keep them out of commission recommendation.
2) They will not allow independent investigator in.
3) ARSA will carry out far more deadly attack. May be this time far more tactical attack than last time.

We have to wait and see at least for month.

 

[Nilgiri]

I think Bangladesh can persuade Russia to take a neutral position in UN if vigorous diplomatic initiative is undertaken.Russia is a far away country.It has only business interest in myanmar unlike China which is a direct neighbor and have geo-political and economic interest.Russia also have large business interest in Bangladesh.They are building 12 billion dollar nuclear power plant in Bangladesh as well as supplying billions of dollar worth arms.Russian hydrocarbon giant Gazprom is also present in BD.Russia's geo-political interest mainly lies in Baltic, Black sea, Arctic and northen Pacific.Not in Bay of Bengal or Indian ocean unlike China.But for China, making them neutral is an uphill battle task for Bangladesh nearing impossible in current scenario.

Bangladesh persuading Russia. LOL.

Good thing you now realise the lost cause of trying it with China. You fork over so much to China and you got this in return lol. But hey you did the same with Pakistan pre-1971 and then India....Chinese definitely deserve their due in the BD-shafting pie.

 

[Secur]

I didn't say you should praise them. I was just surprised to see many of you expected things to be otherwise.

Moreover, why will China or Russia pressure Myanmar over some rohingyas? The Rohingyas are of no concern to them , neither are they important to these countries . So why should China and Russia care or risk their interests with Myanmar government over them? It makes no sense whatsoever.
China and Russia will do what is best for their interests (i.e stand by the Myanmar government) irrespective of what some might think. I see nothing wrong in that. (Geo politically speaking).That's the whole point.

You are absolutely correct, logically.

But still, I expect the world to give two hoots about a humanitarian crisis. But maybe, it is too much to ask, today.

I think back channel talks are happening.The situation is that they can't openly condemn.I think after some time both these countries will eventually release a very measured statement which will contain the words : we are concerned about the situation in mynamar

That's what they are saying now and that's what they will continue to say. What difference does it make? We are still standing at square one while the Rohingyas get murdered, maimed and driven out of their homes.