China resumes talks with Russia on Su-35 purchase

[Abingdonboy]

If the Russians are unwilling to sell China Mig-29Ks due to China's history of IP infringement why would they sell them Su-35s?

 

[Gessler]

Talk is cheap, we have nothing to lose, au contraire it's an window opportunity why we would want to condamn ourself for a close door: We know what Russian want and Russian know what we want...so if there is a compromise a win-win solution, we're more than happy to strke a deal.

Funny chinese smoking a rotten cigar

What happened to all that big-mouthed talk about J-11B, J-16, Silent Flanker, Shenkhoi equipped
with "AESA radars, supercruising engines, thrust-vectoring etc etc" all chinese members boast so much
about? If china wants Su-35, then it means J-11B/J-16 was either unsatisfactory or cancelled

The Russians know what THEY want first. Anyway our Super Sukhoi is far better than Su-35S,
so china can acquire Su-35 to somehow balance it out considering J-10 and J-11A/B are no match
for Super MKI and Rafale anyway.

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First you guys say russian flankers are crap and huge RCS.
Then yo copy Su-27 into shameless J-11
Make a dozen variants out of J-11 and now PLAAF is full of "crappy russian flankers".
You build J-10 in 2000s and claim to have achieved self-sufficiency in building fighters
In 2011 you fly J-20 and claim the chinese industry has surged far ahead of russia
And in 2012, you are again back to square one still looking to buy crappy russian flankers.

chinese talk is even cheaper

 

[Alfa-Fighter]

Talk is cheap, we have nothing to lose, au contraire it's an window opportunity why we would want to condamn ourself for a close door: We know what Russian want and Russian know what we want...so if there is a compromise a win-win solution, we're more than happy to strke a deal.

In short your airforce acknowledge that your plane arent good .....

 

[sancho]

Talk is cheap, we have nothing to lose, au contraire it's an window opportunity why we would want to condamn ourself for a close door: We know what Russian want and Russian know what we want...so if there is a compromise a win-win solution, we're more than happy to strke a deal.

Yes it is an opportunity that China shouldn't miss, just like any other import of weapons or tech would be one, but why are so many Chinese complaining about India, when we take the same opportunities as a chance for us?
At the end of the day, both of our countries are still behind Russia or the west in many fields and to catch up, we will remain dependent on what they offer for quiet some time (India obviously for a longer time than China). We only have different ways to get these advantages, while the result is the same, improving our own industry and forces as fast as possible!

 

[isro2222]

Rafale is far better than su-35.... To me rafale is 4.7 generation while su-35 is 4.5 generation.... Its far smaller than su-35 and the its agile.... Avionics is what quality in rafale i like most (su-35 avionics too good but not as good as rafale).... Rafale is true omni role jetfighters which su-35 lacks.... Rafale is semi-stealth and smaller than su-35 which makes rafale stealthy than su-35.... India already has su-35 (su-30mki (without undercarriage) and super su-30mki (with undercarriage) which will be same capablity of su-35).... Rafale is unique and will make IAF way too strong)....
http://www.aviatia.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Lrafale-vs-su-35.jpg

 

[zzzz]

The Russians know what THEY want first. Anyway our Super Sukhoi is far better than Su-35S,
so china can acquire Su-35 to somehow balance it out considering J-10 and J-11A/B are no match
for Super MKI and Rafale anyway.

Main differences of SU-30SM(Super Sukhoi) comared to SU-35
2 pilots
Bigger RCS
Less powerful engines
No supercruise
Worse t/w ratio
No L-band wing radars

 

[zzzz]

Rafale is far better than su-35.... To me rafale is 4.7 generation while su-35 is 4.5 generation.... Its far smaller than su-35 and the its agile.... Avionics is what quality in rafale i like most (su-35 avionics too good but not as good as rafale).... Rafale is true omni role jetfighters which su-35 lacks.... Rafale is semi-stealth and smaller than su-35 which makes rafale stealthy than su-35.... India already has su-35 (su-30mki (without undercarriage) and super su-30mki (with undercarriage) which will be same capablity of su-35).... Rafale is unique and will make IAF way too strong)....
http://www.aviatia.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Lrafale-vs-su-35.jpg

The main differences of SU-35 comared to Rafale
Bigger load(fuel+weapons)
Much more powerful 400km range radar
L-band anti-stealth wing radars
200km range BVR missiles vs 100km range missiles of Rafale

 

[Agent_47]

The main differences of SU-35 comared to Rafale
Bigger load(fuel+weapons)
Much more powerful 400km range radar
L-band anti-stealth wing radars
200km range BVR missiles vs 100km range missiles of Rafale

Of course it have more load because rafale is a medium fighter and su-35 is a heavy fighter.
better radar than AESA ?
meteor BVR has a range of 200km.

 

[Abingdonboy]

The main differences of SU-35 comared to Rafale
Bigger load(fuel+weapons)
Much more powerful 400km range radar
L-band anti-stealth wing radars
200km range BVR missiles vs 100km range missiles of Rafale

On the weapons and avionics/sensor/radar front the West/French are far ahead of Russia my freind. The Russians (or anyone for that matter) have nothing comparable to the Rafale's SPECTRA suite.

 

[zzzz]

Of course it have more load because rafale is a medium fighter and su-35 is a heavy fighter.
better radar than AESA ?
meteor BVR has a range of 200km.

More powerful radar with greater range not "better than AESA". AESA is different thing.
According to various sources i saw meteor has 100km range. I missed anything?

 

[zzzz]

On the weapons and avionics/sensor/radar front the West/French are far ahead of Russia my freind. The Russians (or anyone for that matter) have nothing comparable to the Rafale's SPECTRA suite.

SPECTRA is the 360 degree sensor suite for Rafale. SU-35 also has its own 360 degree sensor suite. I really dont have any clue how you tested and compared them.

 

[Ammyy]

Main differences of SU-30SM(Super Sukhoi) comared to SU-35
2 pilots
Bigger RCS
Less powerful engines
No supercruise
Worse t/w ratio
No L-band wing radars

Sukhoi 30SM will be russian version of MKIs but for Super 30 they will be totally different ????

 

[TheRafael00000]

Surely good Idea. It will keep India on the run. China must fulfill their Military establishment in Tibet and Taiwan decisively and then should go for Indo-Sino Cold war.

 

[Abingdonboy]

SPECTRA is the 360 degree sensor suite for Rafale. SU-35 also has its own 360 degree sensor suite. I really dont have any clue how you tested and compared them.

The SPECTRA system is simply more advanced than ANYTHING in production right now-this is a fact. In fact the SPECTRA system helped the Rafales score kills on F-22s and it is admitted the F-22s have nothing comparable to the SPECTRA suite. Just because the SU-35 has a 360 degree defensive sensor suite doesn't mean it is comparable or superior to the SPECTRA suite.

 

[Beast]

This new is fake. How many times has russia alway say China want to buy Su-35?? There was even once MOD of PRC needs to come out and verify this fake news. But Russia are stubborn. They are desperate to sell Su-35 and resort all king of cheapshot.

Latest rumour is China offer only $5 for each Su-35. Russian are considering

RusNEWS.CN reports (3-09-12 Beijing time): Reporter Alexi Yafmov reports: The Chinese Department of defence revealed to RusNews that reports by the Russian media regarding the signing of a 48 Su-35 fighter contract between China and Russia are inaccurate.

The Chinese Department of Defense clarified that : "In recent years, China maintained close strategic partnership with Russia and successfully cooperated in numerous domains. Sino-Russian military cooperation is an important part of Sino-Russian strategic partnership that is being carried out smoothly and has continuously yielded results. Reports that "China and Russia agreed on the purchase on 48 Su-35 fighters, however, have no factual basis.

On March 6th, Russian newspaper Kommersant quoted a Russian military insider when supposedly said that China and Russia agreed to sign a contract which will supply the Chinese military with 48 Su-35 fighters. The contract would have a net worth of 4 billion dollars.

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