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China renames a river because it sounds Arabic

What you're saying is not following logic. How does a person praying and not eating pork force Chinese to change their ways to accomodate them? The comparison you make is to a person being forced to eat pork.... being forced to eat pork is invasive. The comparison is not one of equivalence.
Do we demand that you allow pork and alcohol in Mecca? We have the courtesy not to tell you how to run your house, and we ask that you do the same.

This is our traditional dress:
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These are bags of black Salafist laundry:
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What's Chinese about them? Nothing. They look ugly and alien. Several years ago, Islamic fundamentalists in Shadian in Yunnan province formed religious police. They forced the closure of butcher shops and alcohol vendors because they were not halal. They found pork and liquor offensive, so they threatened and shut down businesses. Islamic fundamentalists have a tendency to encroach on the rights of others when given the chance. This is just one of the countless examples of some Muslims abusing the hospitality of the host society. There has also been several instance of Islamic rebellion in China in the past centuries, causing massive casualties.

Islamic is a foreign religion, and thus it should be kept under tight regulation given its violent history in the country. We welcome anyone to do business and travel in China, but we certainly don't welcome your opinion on how we should conduct ourselves within our own country.
 
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Do we demand that you allow pork and alcohol in Mecca? We have the courtesy not to tell you how to run your house, and we ask that you do the same.

What's Chinese about them? Nothing. Several years ago, Islamic fundamentalists in Shadian in Yunnan province formed religious police. They forced the closure of butcher shops and alcohol vendors because they were not halal. They found pork and liquor offensive, so they threatened and shut down businesses. Islamic fundamentalists have a tendency to encroach on the rights of others when given the chance. This is just one of the countless examples of some Muslims abusing the hospitality of the host society. There has also been several instance of Islamic rebellion in China in the past centuries, causing massive casualties.

Islamic is a foreign religion, and thus it should be kept under tight regulation given its violent history in the country. We welcome anyone to do business and travel in China, but we certainly don't welcome your opinion on how we should conduct ourselves within our own country.

China should regulate Islam? Islam should be kept "under tight regulation" by China?

Allah is Lord over all the nations and worlds, including China.

Rules laid down by Islam are above rules made by humans. You can be an enemy against Islam but you cannot win against Islam.

It is He who has sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion, although they who associate others with Allah dislike it.

-Surah At-Tawbah
 
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China should regulate Islam? Islam should be kept "under tight regulation" by China?

Allah is Lord over all the nations and worlds, including China.

Rules laid down by Islam are above rules made by humans. You can be an enemy against Islam but you cannot win against Islam.

It is He who has sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion, although they who associate others with Allah dislike it.
You're spreading hates among regilions, Muslims are currently divided in all over the world and tell me 2.7 billion Muslim in the and tell me how many Muslims obey the law of Allah and sunna @Omar Al-Deek


-Surah At-Tawbah
 
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You guys should rename the camel is not sound arabic at all... you guys debating upon a river name that not event located in arab WTF
 
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China should regulate Islam? Islam should be kept "under tight regulation" by China?

Allah is Lord over all the nations and worlds, including China.

Rules laid down by Islam are above rules made by humans. You can be an enemy against Islam but you cannot win against Islam.

It is He who has sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion, although they who associate others with Allah dislike it.

-Surah At-Tawbah
Muslims are divided and week and tell me how many Muslims of world obey the rules and regulation of Allah and sunna of our prophet @Omar Al-Deek
 
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I went to a Quran study with a bunch of Indonesians once.... everyone in the group was Indonesian except for me...... I was the only non-Indonesian....... and I had a great time!

they were really wonderful people and in my experience Indonesians are wonderful people......

I've never been to Asia and so maybe you would know more than I do..... is it actually true that Muslims in China are being put into camps? and for what are being put into camps? if you know about what's going on..... I ask because you're a little closer so maybe you might know more.......

the street name I don't really care about but I am only concerned about it insofar as it's part of a larger push against Islam within China.... if that is indeed so

Are you Arab living in US ? Arab is also a nice person, all Arab Indonesian friends in my schools are all nice, both boys and girls.

I also have two cousins that are born in US and they are now in Junior High School and elementary grade in US.

Chinese during Cultural Revolution did suppressed Muslims (and all religions), the condition is better after Cultural Revolution policy is stopped but there is restriction remained like the restriction to pray in public building and there is restriction for people under 18 years old to practice their religion, thats why you never see kids inside mosque in any Chinese Muslim video.

1 million Uigyur in camp I believe is a lie but Chinese government did put some Uigyur on Vocational training camp where they cannot pray there and there is doubt about whether the food served there is halal or not, thats why Indonesian delegation who visited the camp ask Chinese government to give only Halal food for the Uigyur being put on camp. I will try to give you Indonesian news who report about Chinese policy in Xin Jiang based on Indonesian delegation who has visited the camp.


An Indonesian Muslim traveler Vlog in China visiting Hui family

 
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China should regulate Islam? Islam should be kept "under tight regulation" by China?

Allah is Lord over all the nations and worlds, including China.

Rules laid down by Islam are above rules made by humans. You can be an enemy against Islam but you cannot win against Islam.

It is He who has sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion, although they who associate others with Allah dislike it.

-Surah At-Tawbah
It's already being regulated, and extremists are being sent for re-education. You think you're the first foreign religion to enter China? Buddhism entered from India, and successful changed itself to suit the native culture. Monks adopted local traditions, norms and changed their religious text into Chinese. As Islam currently stands, it demands others to change for it. In the 1200 years since it spread to China, it made little effort to integrate. It doesn't give, only take. That's why it will always be viewed with suspicion and tightly regulated, Allah or not.

Falun Gong cult had 60 million followers and practioners in China in 1997, and that number is practically non-existent today. If China truly wants a religion gone, it will be gone. Praise be to Buddha!
 
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So you know how many Hindi names of places in Pakistan has been changed to sound more Persian or Arabic? Let's not be hypocritical

Actually only the British names were changed.

There are plenty of places in Pakistan which are named after Sikhs, Hindus, or ancient Aryans.

Salafist Islam is foreign and unnatural to China, much more so than Communism. The evil in China is government giving too much leeway to Wahabists for the past 20 years. At least atheism had its roots in traditional Confucian teachings. With luck, foreign religions that refuse to integrate into Chinese culture will be driven out in a few decades.

You don’t know the difference between Salafi and Wahhabi, yet you feel you are qualified to talk about the subject.

Most Salafis, Wahhabis, Sunnis, Shias, and Sufis are peaceful practitioners of their faith.

You have been fed propaganda by the West against certain sects.

Most terrorists have foreign backed financiers who are not Muslim and serve the political goals of Non-Muslim powers.

Daesh perfectly fits in here, and they are not Salafi, they are Khawarij, which is not a sect of Islam but a different religion.

Salafiyya just means following Islam as practiced by the earliest generations, as followed by the pious predecessors. I don't think there's any harm in people praying five times a day and fasting.

Sheikh Fawzan is one of the most loved and respected Salafi scholars and he speaks out against ISIS http://www.ibntaymiyyah.com/articles/mskitdp-shaykh-salih-al-fawzan-on-the-necessity-of-security.cfm

Not only does he promote fighting them on the physical front but he fights them on the theological front, showing how their theology is false and how Islam doesn't teach terrorism.

I believe Muslims have a right to practice their religion. There's nothing wrong with a Muslim practicing their religion. If we're talking about terrorists, I don't think they should be put in camps. If they are Khawarij, I think they should be killed. But a Muslim having a beard doesn't make him a terrorist. If criminalizing belief in God isn't Satanic, I don't know what is. Communism is clearly a Satanic ideology. Karl Marx was working on behalf of an international Jewish conspiracy to advance the New World Order.

I admire your faith and your principles brother.

Thank you for informing the world about the difference between Salafis and Khawarij, it is a major difference.

Non-Muslims seem willfully ignorant about the differences, and wish to paint Islam or Muslims with this false paintbrush.

There is Shia and sunni Islam and they are attacking each other over it.

This is a gross exaggeration, as there are dozens of Muslim countries (like Pakistan and Turkey) where both get along well and are united in their goals.

KSA and Iranian rivalry is because of secular power struggles and about domination, which has been tinted with a religious tinge.

Erase Islam, so if Islam can erase Chinese culture? The river is in China. China has the right to name what Chinese deem. Haters gonna be haters. fancy such name issue can be raise as a hate crime by you all.

I guess constantinople shall not be named as Istanbul. Since based on your theory, but I have no problem Turkish name it's as Istanbul since they conquer it.

Red Herring.

Islam is a Chinese religion, and Uyghurs/Hui/Gansu Muslims are Chinese.

Therefore it follows logically that Islamic holy figures and religious rights should be acceptable in China.

If they are not, these Muslims are not Chinese citizens and in need of their own countries.

Think logically and choose. You can’t have it both ways.

How about Pakistan? This current culture was also adopted by Islamic spread, it's basically Arabic culture in many aspects like writing and philosophy.

Simply false. Pakistan’s history is much more diverse and multi-faceted than this.

If you are going to post on PDF, take your time to educate yourself about Pakistan.

In your mind US and China are persecuting Muslim, from our perspective both US and Muslim world are pushing religions to us.

If something is good for us, you don't need to push.

So Chinese Muslims are not welcome in China?

You are creating your own separatists, you do not need US.

What a suicidal mindset.

so.... Pakistan should forget about Islam then?

“And hold fast, all of you together, to the Rope of Allaah (i.e. this Qur’aan), and be not divided among yourselves

[Aal ‘Imraan 3:103]

If you don't believe in that verse of the Quran and you don't believe in that part of Islam- which parts of the Quran and which parts of Islam do you believe in? Are you a Muslim? If you don't believe in "Ummah"....... which parts of Islam do you believe in?

If Pakistan doesn't follow Islam, what is even the point of its existence? If Pakistan turns away from Islam, it might as well apologize to India and become a part of India... for Pakistan to negate Islam would be to negate its whole reason for existence.... if following the Quran is a mistake then the very existence of Pakistan is a mistake

He does not speak for all Pakistanis.

We are watching Uyghur situation carefully.

We have many varied points of view in Pakistan, but if this continues and gets worse, Pakistan won’t stay silent.

China should clamp down and educate these Islam-haters, like the ones we see on this forum.

In Turkey they teach Turkic ancient history at school based almost totally on Chinese texts.

False.

But the problem that a lot of Turkish people, who are actually European enslaved by their east/Central Asian Turkic masters and then Turkified, want to claim the great history of Turkic people, as their own, which is leading to their delusion.

Also false. Promoting pseudohistory.

Do we demand that you allow pork and alcohol in Mecca? We have the courtesy not to tell you how to run your house, and we ask that you do the same.

This is our traditional dress:
5709f6693f075237e75b0d02eb4e90ed.jpg


These are bags of black Salafist laundry:
wloxw7.jpg

What's Chinese about them? Nothing. They look ugly and alien. Several years ago, Islamic fundamentalists in Shadian in Yunnan province formed religious police. They forced the closure of butcher shops and alcohol vendors because they were not halal. They found pork and liquor offensive, so they threatened and shut down businesses. Islamic fundamentalists have a tendency to encroach on the rights of others when given the chance. This is just one of the countless examples of some Muslims abusing the hospitality of the host society. There has also been several instance of Islamic rebellion in China in the past centuries, causing massive casualties.

Islamic is a foreign religion, and thus it should be kept under tight regulation given its violent history in the country. We welcome anyone to do business and travel in China, but we certainly don't welcome your opinion on how we should conduct ourselves within our own country.

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So Chinese Muslims are not welcome in China?

You are creating your own separatists, you do not need US.

What a suicidal mindset.

I recommend you to read some books about religions history in China.
Islam is no special in China, if you think you are special then you will be treated specially, but not as you wish.
 
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I think it's very hypocritical how Communist "anti-imperialists" talk all this anti-Western rhetoric..... while simultaneously pushing Western ideology

I am against Western imperialism in fact and not only in rhetoric.... judeo-Communism is in fact a tentacle of Western imperialism

the real center of Bolshevism was not in Moscow but among the Jewish Wall Street bankers in New York who were funding the Bolsheviks
Whatever you believe doesn't really matter, we know we are different from the west, that's enough,you can attack both China and the west and make everyone your enemy, but it's not wise to do so, attacking anything that is non Muslim is actually damaging Muslim image around the non Muslim world.
 
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I recommend you to read some books about religions history in China.
Islam is no special in China, if you think you are special then you will be treated specially, but not as you wish.

Either you accept Islam as part of China or not.

Anyways, your personal opinion matters little.

I’ve seen your previous posts, so I know already you are anti-Muslim.

It’s rather simple. Islam isn’t a religion you can turn off like a light switch.

It is time for Chinese population to come out of isolation and face the world. You can’t make everyone follow one rule like a robot.
 
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It is time for Chinese population to come out of isolation and face the world. You can’t make everyone follow one rule like a robot.
Chinese population are no more isolated than your population, we are open minded, liberal and don't blindly follow anything, that's not the case in religious countries.

China should regulate Islam? Islam should be kept "under tight regulation" by China?

Allah is Lord over all the nations and worlds, including China.

Rules laid down by Islam are above rules made by humans. You can be an enemy against Islam but you cannot win against Islam.

It is He who has sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion, although they who associate others with Allah dislike it.

-Surah At-Tawbah
No laws are above laws made by humans in China, don't put what you believe as a standard to judge others, China doesn't fight Islam, you are fighting China. if you bunch are so faithful how come the world see Muslims enjoy killing each others , how come Iran, Turkey, Arabs and Kurds are all at each other's throats.
You don't issue laws in China, we can take care of our laws by ourselves.
 
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Whatever you believe doesn't really matter, we know we are different from the west, that's enough,you can attack both China and the west and make everyone your enemy, but it's not wise to do so, attacking anything that is non Muslim is actually damaging Muslim image around the non Muslim world.

Opposing Communism is a respectable and legitimate belief. Will you try to control his way of thinking for him?

We have a right to disagree on philosophies here. This is what creates higher level human being, when we can discuss these topics without becoming offended.

China achieved success by absorbing Capitalist policies with a Communist system uniquely suited to China. You were also born out of a unique time and manufacturing capabilities secured China’s monopoly on exports, esp to Western countries.

The tide is shifting now.

The West is in full decline, having also lost its propaganda about being the world’s morality. US claim of being undefeated has been broken in Afghanistan, by simple farmers and herders.

China’s growth depends now on its ability to court the Muslim countries for CPEC. Traditional economic growth has fallen, and China facing strong economic sanctions from the West. You are being blocked in East Asia by all your neighbors, and from India to Southeast Asia by American pawns/allies. China needs Pakistan, Iran, Turkey, CARs to break the ring of encirclement.

Humble yourself. You are not unique in all of history. You are merely men, who want to better their country.

The good thing about China is that it’s ideology can never be exported to other countries, and it does not represent a bloc like Capitalism and Soviet communism did.

There is no pressure on Muslim nations to change to do business with China, and it is a great plus because we have our own history, culture, and civilization in our countries.

Just don’t blotch this opportunity in Xinjiang, Gansu, and with the Hui Muslims, otherwise it won’t come back.

China should regulate Islam? Islam should be kept "under tight regulation" by China?

Allah is Lord over all the nations and worlds, including China.

Rules laid down by Islam are above rules made by humans. You can be an enemy against Islam but you cannot win against Islam.

It is He who has sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion, although they who associate others with Allah dislike it.

-Surah At-Tawbah

You are teaching the concept of religion to Atheists. They won’t understand it.

Our mindsets and beliefs are totally different. We won’t see eye to eye here.

But that doesn’t mean we can’t be friends and allies.

Don’t forget Mao’s strong support for Palestine.

Right now there is one major enemy of all freedom loving people. To protect ourselves, we have to stand united.
 
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Either you accept Islam as part of China or not.

Anyways, your personal opinion matters little.

I’ve seen your previous posts, so I know already you are anti-Muslim.

It’s rather simple. Islam isn’t a religion you can turn off like a light switch.

It is time for Chinese population to come out of isolation and face the world. You can’t make everyone follow one rule like a robot.

I recommend you to read the white paper about Xinjiang by Chinese gov.
It's not my personal opinion.

I'm not anti-Muslim, but I'm against any religions expanding in China.
Clash of civilizations is realty, but if you will not bother us we will not bother you.
 
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Since when changing a name of a river, street or a village in China becomes an international issue and should be approved by foreigners? China changes thousands of names for some places every year and who believes that the government doesn't have the right to do that? Beijing was changed from Beiping by the Chinese government in 1949.

Changing beiping to Beijing is different changing somethings name just because it sound Arabic. it shows Chinese are not ready to except any other culture custom. more importantly Chinese are anti Muslim/Islam .
 
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