China Railway to conduct India high-speed rail study - Xinhua

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Wed Sep 23, 2015 3:19pm IST

China Railway to conduct India high-speed rail study - Xinhua

SHANGHAI

Railway workers clean a coach at a railway yard in the old quarters of Delhi June 19, 2007.
REUTERS/ADNAN ABIDI/FILES

A consortium led by China's national train operator has been chosen to conduct a feasibility study for a 1,200 kilometre-long high-speed rail link between Delhi and Mumbai, the official Xinhua news agency reported on Wednesday.

The consortium includes China Railway's unit, the Third Railway Survey and Design Group, and local Indian firms, the news agency said, without providing names. It did not provide financial details of the award.

The contract was awarded by the High Speed Rail Corporation of India Ltd, a company set up by India's railway ministry, Xinhua said.

Xinhua said India's Ministry of Railways in December invited bids to study the feasibility of high-speed lines between Delhi-Mumbai, Mumbai-Chennai and Delhi-Kolkata. Twelve companies from seven countries including the United States, Germany and France tendered, it said.

A spokesman for India's railway ministry did not immediately respond to Reuters' queries.

In November, an Indian railway ministry spokesman said China would conduct and pay for a feasibility study to link Delhi and the southern city of Chennai.

(Reporting by Brenda Goh; Additional Reporting by Tommy Wilkes in MUMBAI; Editing by Sunil Nair)

China Railway to conduct India high-speed rail study - Xinhua| Reuters

 

[Shotgunner51]

Financially speaking I have doubt on the feasibility of having HSR in any underdeveloped country, especially in countries with severely low income. Since income level, hence affordability of passengers, is crucial to sustainability of such a transport system.

@AndrewJin

 

[Srinivas]

Financially speaking I have doubt on the feasibility. Income level, hence affordability of passengers, is crucial to sustainability of such a transport system.

You people have started 15 years before us and you are hot and kicking, reason why you are working on this project.

When we rise we will do much better than you. Regarding income Indians can afford HSR in certain routes you need not worry about that.

regarding your talk as if you are much advanced than us, because soon you have to eat your own words.

Weak man of Asia and their boasting, for almost a decade we are tolerating these goons on online !

 

[AndrewJin]

Financially speaking I have doubt on the feasibility of having HSR in any underdeveloped country, especially in countries with severely low income. Since income level, hence affordability of passengers, is crucial to sustainability of such a transport system.

@AndrewJin

India's priority may be upgrades of existing railways.
Before China opened the first real high-speed railway, we already had 6 major speed-up campaigns.
In the sixth round speed-up campaign in 2007, some sections of traditional railways accelerated to 250km/h in China.

I think u might remember back in 2007, Shanghainese already could ride a bullet train to nearby Nanjing in less than 2 hours, that was a couple of years before the inauguration of Shanghai-Nanjing Intercity HSR and Shanghai-Nanjing-Beijing HSR. So actually now we have 3 parallel lines from Nanjing-Shanghai operating at 250-350km/h.

Indian railway's problem as fas as I know, it's not just about the speed, which is more important to China when speed has limited our productivity from further increase. U can just search for the monthly deadly train accidents in India, which happen in low speed. Their railway management level, manufarutinrg capacity and subsequent maintenance are decades away.

If India really starts one project, the ill management and maintenance will make their new railway system dangerous as their old one, except that they let others run an independent system without any interference of locals. Even though, local people's deficiency of safety awareness will totally ruin the whole system.

I sincerely advice they first learn how to walk properly.

 

[Jlaw]

Financially speaking I have doubt on the feasibility of having HSR in any underdeveloped country, especially in countries with severely low income. Since income level, hence affordability of passengers, is crucial to sustainability of such a transport system.

@AndrewJin

Very true. That is why no estimate of the cost of the project was mentioned. I cannot imagine how a GDP/capita of $1700/year can support a hsr. @AndrewJin based on the same estimate as China's, how much would a 1200 km hsr cost?

Also the rupee is not a stable currency. If the project does go through the Chinese should be paid with Yuan.

it's best if india stop trying to wear big shoes with small feet.

 

[Nan Yang]

There is one way a high speed train is possible in India is to build it above ground supported by pillars all the way. This way no problems with cows or pedestrians crossing the rail. No railway crossings for traffic to maintain. Even no land to buy and no need to evict anybody.
Accident free and lower maintainance. Just like in China.

In United States almost every month a train will hit somebody or some traffic. And it not even high speed.
How come United States engineers never thought of that.

 

[Echo_419]

Wed Sep 23, 2015 3:19pm IST

China Railway to conduct India high-speed rail study - Xinhua

SHANGHAI

Railway workers clean a coach at a railway yard in the old quarters of Delhi June 19, 2007.
REUTERS/ADNAN ABIDI/FILES

A consortium led by China's national train operator has been chosen to conduct a feasibility study for a 1,200 kilometre-long high-speed rail link between Delhi and Mumbai, the official Xinhua news agency reported on Wednesday.

The consortium includes China Railway's unit, the Third Railway Survey and Design Group, and local Indian firms, the news agency said, without providing names. It did not provide financial details of the award.

The contract was awarded by the High Speed Rail Corporation of India Ltd, a company set up by India's railway ministry, Xinhua said.

Xinhua said India's Ministry of Railways in December invited bids to study the feasibility of high-speed lines between Delhi-Mumbai, Mumbai-Chennai and Delhi-Kolkata. Twelve companies from seven countries including the United States, Germany and France tendered, it said.

A spokesman for India's railway ministry did not immediately respond to Reuters' queries.

In November, an Indian railway ministry spokesman said China would conduct and pay for a feasibility study to link Delhi and the southern city of Chennai.

(Reporting by Brenda Goh; Additional Reporting by Tommy Wilkes in MUMBAI; Editing by Sunil Nair)

China Railway to conduct India high-speed rail study - Xinhua| Reuters

Waste of money

 

[Odysseus]

Financially speaking I have doubt on the feasibility of having HSR in any underdeveloped country, especially in countries with severely low income. Since income level, hence affordability of passengers, is crucial to sustainability of such a transport system.

@AndrewJin

I don't think china could be wasting its money and time if it thought Indian Rail couldn't afford $22-25 billion. Mostly this feasibility studies are done on 50:50 sharing basis.
I'm sure that those guys heading China Railway Corporation are more talented than PDF Chinese member here.

Beijing to Shangai about 1350km train fare is about 550 yuan for G class CRH and 450 yuan for D class. You must be kidding yourself if you think Indian middle class cant afford 3000-4000 INR for a train ticket. A 2nd class AC coach costs about the same in current trains.

 

[Echo_419]

India's priority may be upgrades of existing railways.
Before China opened the first real high-speed railway, we already had 6 major speed-up campaigns.
In the sixth round speed-up campaign in 2007, some sections of traditional railways accelerated to 250km/h in China.

I think u might remember back in 2007, Shanghainese already could ride a bullet train to nearby Nanjing in less than 2 hours, that was a couple of years before the inauguration of Shanghai-Nanjing Intercity HSR and Shanghai-Nanjing-Beijing HSR. So actually now we have 3 parallel lines from Nanjing-Shanghai operating at 250-350km/h.

Indian railway's problem as fas as I know, it's not just about the speed, which is more important to China when speed has limited our productivity from further increase. U can just search for the monthly deadly train accidents in India, which happen in low speed. Their railway management level, manufarutinrg capacity and subsequent maintenance are decades away.

If India really starts one project, the ill management and maintenance will make their new railway system dangerous as their old one, except that they let others run an independent system without any interference of locals. Even though, local people's deficiency of safety awareness will totally ruin the whole system.

I sincerely advice they first learn how to walk properly.

I agree with you as we need to upgrade existing infrastructure 1st which is very underutilized & in some cases inefficient.
Prime minister modi has initiated a massive exercise to gradually reduce the number if accidents to zero,also a large number of ROBs (Rail over bridges) are being constructed to reduce run over deaths.
I don't agree with your last part though we manufacture world class locomotives & coaches

Financially speaking I have doubt on the feasibility of having HSR in any underdeveloped country, especially in countries with severely low income. Since income level, hence affordability of passengers, is crucial to sustainability of such a transport system.

@AndrewJin

I suggest you read the definition of Underdeveloped & Developing countries

 

[Shotgunner51]

India's priority may be upgrades of existing railways.
Before China opened the first real high-speed railway, we already had 6 major speed-up campaigns.
In the sixth round speed-up campaign in 2007, some sections of traditional railways accelerated to 250km/h in China.

I think u might remember back in 2007, Shanghainese already could ride a bullet train to nearby Nanjing in less than 2 hours, that was a couple of years before the inauguration of Shanghai-Nanjing Intercity HSR and Shanghai-Nanjing-Beijing HSR. So actually now we have 3 parallel lines from Nanjing-Shanghai operating at 250-350km/h.

Indian railway's problem as fas as I know, it's not just about the speed, which is more important to China when speed has limited our productivity from further increase. U can just search for the monthly deadly train accidents in India, which happen in low speed. Their railway management level, manufarutinrg capacity and subsequent maintenance are decades away.

If India really starts one project, the ill management and maintenance will make their new railway system dangerous as their old one, except that they let others run an independent system without any interference of locals. Even though, local people's deficiency of safety awareness will totally ruin the whole system.

I sincerely advice they first learn how to walk properly.

Yes, apart from the financial feasibility, another concern is as you said about operational management and maintenance capability. HSR despite being massive in scale, its operation is precise like clockwork, accuracy down to measurements in seconds, it must be operated without interference from locals, but that will increase operating costs.

 

[Shotgunner51]

There is one way a high speed train is possible in India is to build it above ground supported by pillars all the way. This way no problems with cows or pedestrians crossing the rail. No railway crossings for traffic to maintain. Even no land to buy and no need to evict anybody.
Accident free and lower maintainance. Just like in China.

In United States almost every month a train will hit somebody or some traffic. And it not even high speed.
How come United States engineers never thought of that.

You are right, elevated or underpass railways will be ideal, though that will incur extra capital costs. Malaysia, with adequate financial resources, may adopt such an architecture.

 

[Shotgunner51]

Very true. That is why no estimate of the cost of the project was mentioned. I cannot imagine how a GDP/capita of $1700/year can support a hsr. @AndrewJin based on the same estimate as China's, how much would a 1200 km hsr cost?

Also the rupee is not a stable currency. If the project does go through the Chinese should be paid with Yuan.

it's best if india stop trying to wear big shoes with small feet.

Yes that's exactly the concern, financial risks on affordability of the market with GDP per capita among world's lowest, i.e. $1,630, which is still ~10% behind Sub-Saharan Africa ($1,796) in 2014.

In say Nigeria, Ethiopia, Congo, China builds normal speed railways. With lower capital investment, and lower operating costs (run by local personnel), the services would be much more affordable, and easy to operate.

It's a good point bringing currency risk into consideration of any loan structure, given the country is a major trade deficit nation, and a major debtor nation.

 

[Kaniska]

Hey man that doesn't happen in India.....we have more trains than any other country...and when we dont get reservation we simply dont go...we dont need to do that....

I think you should not misunderstand his statement....Out priorities should be build more railway lines than making some high speed metro lines...That is not a bad statement either..

 

[gslv mk3]

There is one way a high speed train is possible in India is to build it above ground supported by pillars all the way.

There is another simple device - it's called a fence.

Hey man that doesn't happen in India

That pic isn't from India

Before China opened the first real high-speed railway, we already had 6 major speed-up campaigns.

We can do an upgrade to 200 kmph all by ourselves - Oh wait we are doing it ourselves

Yes that's exactly the concern, financial risks on affordability of the market with GDP per capita among world's lowest, i.e. $1,630, which is still ~10% behind Sub-Saharan Africa ($1,796) in 2014.

In say Nigeria, Ethiopia, Congo, China builds normal speed railways. With lower capital investment, and lower operating costs (run by local personnel), the services would be much more affordable, and easy to operate.

It's a good point bringing currency risk into consideration of any loan structure, given the country is a major trade deficit nation, and a major debtor nation.

it's best if india stop trying to wear big shoes with small feet.

Do one thing - Just GTFO.It's not like you pricks won the bid to build HSR for us .I'ts justan effing feasibility study.

If India really starts one project, the ill management and maintenance will make their new railway system dangerous as their old one, except that they let others run an independent system without any interference of locals. Even though, local people's deficiency of safety awareness will totally ruin the whole system.

I sincerely advice they first learn how to walk properly.

Yes, apart from the financial feasibility, another concern is as you said about operational management and maintenance capability. HSR despite being massive in scale, its operation is precise like clockwork, accuracy down to measurements in seconds, it must be operated without interference from locals, but that will increase operating costs.

You two,do some research about the operation of MRT systems in India - I guess that would be enough.

 

[Dungeness]

Very true. That is why no estimate of the cost of the project was mentioned. I cannot imagine how a GDP/capita of $1700/year can support a hsr. @AndrewJin based on the same estimate as China's, how much would a 1200 km hsr cost?

Also the rupee is not a stable currency. If the project does go through the Chinese should be paid with Yuan.

it's best if india stop trying to wear big shoes with small feet.

India's priority may be upgrades of existing railways.
Before China opened the first real high-speed railway, we already had 6 major speed-up campaigns.
In the sixth round speed-up campaign in 2007, some sections of traditional railways accelerated to 250km/h in China.

I think u might remember back in 2007, Shanghainese already could ride a bullet train to nearby Nanjing in less than 2 hours, that was a couple of years before the inauguration of Shanghai-Nanjing Intercity HSR and Shanghai-Nanjing-Beijing HSR. So actually now we have 3 parallel lines from Nanjing-Shanghai operating at 250-350km/h.

Indian railway's problem as fas as I know, it's not just about the speed, which is more important to China when speed has limited our productivity from further increase. U can just search for the monthly deadly train accidents in India, which happen in low speed. Their railway management level, manufarutinrg capacity and subsequent maintenance are decades away.

If India really starts one project, the ill management and maintenance will make their new railway system dangerous as their old one, except that they let others run an independent system without any interference of locals. Even though, local people's deficiency of safety awareness will totally ruin the whole system.

I sincerely advice they first learn how to walk properly.

Their “me too" mentality is not helping them. They often announce grandiose plans with some impressive PPTs, and get whole nation all hyped up, then......there is no then. Remember those all impressive announcements like "Manned space flight by 2015", "Walk on the moon by 2020", "Surpass Shanghai by 2009", and "Superpower by 2012" ? Funny thing is nobody ever need to be accountable for all these embarrassments in national scale. What is worse, they never learn from their past failures, and continue the same stories year after year. Maybe the traits are built-in? Quite different from Chinese.