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BEIJING: China is committed to controversial plans to expand a Pakistan nuclear power plant using 1970s technology, experts say, even after Japan’s crisis triggered global alarm about atomic safety.




China’s construction of reactors at the Chashma nuclear power plant in the Punjab region of Pakistan drew international unease well before the March 11 earthquake and tsunami battered the 1970s vintage nuclear reactors in Japan, crippling cooling systems and causing radiation to leak into the surroundings.

Those worries could now multiply. But neither Beijing nor Islamabad is likely to cut short their nuclear embrace.

China’s nuclear ties with long-standing partner Pakistan have triggered unease in Washington, Delhi and other capitals worried about Pakistan’s history of spreading nuclear weapons technology, its domestic instability, and the potential holes created in international non-proliferation rules.

Safety is also a concern, as the reactors at Chashma, including the third and fourth units China has planned, are derived from designs dating back to the 1970s, said Mark Hibbs, an expert on atomic policy at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, who has closely followed Chinese-Pakistani nuclear cooperation.

This means they have fewer safety features than the newer models Beijing will increasingly use for domestic nuclear plants.

“The oldest reactor (design) that China is building is this reactor in Pakistan. It’s a very old design,” said Hibbs, who is based in Berlin and visited Pakistan this week.

“If China wants to help Pakistan build a reactor right now, they’re locked into this design,” Hibbs said in a telephone interview, citing patent restrictions and atomic export barriers that prevent China from selling more up-to-date designs abroad.

The radiation leaks at Japan’s Fukushima nuclear plant are likely to raise new questions about whether China should pursue nuclear power expansion in volatile Pakistan, and whether it must first seek approval for planned reactors from other nuclear exporting states.

Beijing remained committed to Chashma, and would probably not seek a green light from a nuclear trade group, said Li Hong, a prominent Chinese nuclear expert.

“There’s no doubt that China will go ahead with Chashma, because this cooperation with Pakistan has such a long history,” said Li, Secretary General of the China Arms Control and Disarmament Association, a government-sponsored think tank in Beijing that focuses on nuclear proliferation issues.

“China will absorb lessons about nuclear safety from Japan’s problems, including for Chashma,” said Li.

At a news briefing on Thursday, the Chinese Foreign Ministry Jiang Yu did not directly answer questions about the status of the Chashma plants. She said Beijing’s nuclear cooperation with Pakistan was “in keeping with the international obligations of each country and is for peaceful purposes.”



A nuclear showcase

China supplied the first two reactors at Chashma and is now proposing to build reactors 3 and 4.

The plant is located on plains near the banks of the Indus River, hundreds of miles to the south of Kashmir, the site of a 7.6 magnitude earthquake in 2005 that officials say killed 75,000 people. It was also not damaged in last year’s devastating floods.

China suspended approvals last week for new domestic nuclear plants. But reports on Chinese nuclear websites show work on Chashma continued after the calamity hit Japan.

On March 14, two days after Japan’s earthquake, Chinese engineers helped run the first successful test for linking the new Chashma reactor unit to a power grid, according to Shanghai Nuclear Engineering Research and Design (www.snerdi.com.cn), which is helping build it.

Last month, the China National Nuclear Corp, the nation’s dominant atomic company, held a two-day meeting to refine plans for work at Chashma in 2011, when the new, second reactor is due to go into service (???).

“In 2011, we will strive to bring the project into commercial operation two months ahead of schedule,” said the report from that meeting.

China’s nuclear industry sees Chashma as a showcase of the country’s ability to export reactors, a trade that Beijing hopes will grow.

“Currently, we’re still a blank in exporting large-scale, multi-megawatt nuclear power stations, apart from the Chashma 300-megawatt water pressurized nuclear power station,” Zhao Zhixiang, director of the science and technology committee of the Chinese Institute of Atomic Energy, told China Energy News, a Chinese-language paper, earlier this month.

“The key to becoming a nuclear energy power is to establish your own abilities and competitiveness,” he said.



'No cause for concern'

Rivals India and Pakistan both possess nuclear arsenals and both refuse to join the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), which would oblige them to scrap those weapons.

The International Atomic Energy Agency, the United Nations’ nuclear watchdog agency, agreed in early March to Pakistan’s request to safeguard the two new reactors planned for Chashma, a step that would allow the agency to help ensure nuclear material from the reactors is secure and not diverted into weapons-related programs.

“There is no cause for concern regarding the safe operation of these plants,” a spokesman for the Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission (PAEC) said of Chashma. “Any lessons learnt from the accidents in Japan will be implemented at our plants as well.”

Washington and other governments have said China should seek approval for the planned reactors from the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG), a consensus-based cartel that seeks to ensure nuclear exports do not get used for non-peaceful purposes.

When the United States sealed its own controversial nuclear energy agreement with India in 2008, it won a waiver from that rule from the NSG after contentious negotiations in which China raised misgivings.

Beijing is likely to shun calls to seek special approval, arguing the two new units planned at Chashma come under a bilateral agreement sealed before it joined the NSG in 2004.

“I don’t think that China will seek approval from the NSG,” said Li, the arms control association official. “China considers that the new reactors were grandfathered under a previous agreement,” he said.

Other NSG members, including the Washington and other Western governments, are likely to want assurance that the two reactors planned for Chashma will be the last that China claims need no approval, said Hibbs, the nuclear expert.

Last year, the China National Nuclear Corp said it was in talks to build a separate 1-gigawatt atomic plant in Pakistan.

When asked whether China would seek a waiver from the NSG, the Foreign Ministry spokeswoman, Jiang, appeared to leave open the door to some compromise. She said there should be a decision that reflects “the relevant regulations and the outcomes of consultations among all sides.”


China pushes ahead Pakistan nuclear plant expansion - Arab News
 
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http://www.voanews.com/english/news/asia/China-to-Sell-Outdated-Nuclear-Reactors-to-Pakistan-118572049.html

China to Sell Outdated Nuclear Reactors to Pakistan

China is pressing ahead with nuclear energy cooperation with Pakistan, despite concerns that it is shipping decades-old technology to its South Asian neighbor. This comes as China suspended approvals for new nuclear power plants within China to review safety standards following the recent earthquake/tsunami disaster in Japan.

Chinese authorities have already suspended approvals of new nuclear plants within the country because of safety concerns sparked by the disasters in Japan.

But when Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Jiang Yu was asked Thursday about whether Beijing is similarly concerned about exporting outdated nuclear technology to Pakistan, she dismissed it as unrelated.

Jiang says there are no direct links to the two issues. She says the Chinese government wants to see "orderly and reasonable" nuclear development in China, and is especially concerned about safety.

As for Pakistan, though, she said only that China and Pakistan’s nuclear cooperation has been under the supervision of the International Atomic Energy Agency.

China has provided two reactors to Pakistan’s Chasma nuclear power plant, with a deal that it provide two more. American officials have not expressed outright opposition, but have said if China goes ahead with Chasma 3 and these actions would be "inconsistent" with commitments it made when it joined the Nuclear Suppliers Group in 2004.

Meanwhile, reports on Chinese nuclear websites show work on Chasma is continuing, even after the nuclear crisis in Japan.

Mark Hibbs, an atomic energy expert at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, has closely followed the Chinese-Pakistani nuclear cooperation. He says China has been developing its own nuclear technology, but that it is outdated.

"So far most of the reactors that the Chinese themselves have built on the basis of their own know-how reflects a technology which was available in the West and in advanced nuclear countries outside of China about 30 years ago," he said. "The Chinese are exporting this equipment - this is the technology which China has been exporting to Pakistan. I don’t believe right now that there is a major world market outside of Pakistan which is very interested in this technology."


Hibbs says France, Japan, and the United States provide the world’s most advanced nuclear technology, so he sees China as having commercial reasons for wanting to catch up. He says China also has geopolitical concerns for wanting to help Pakistan.

"What is important for China is that this deal cements and underpins China’s strategic partnership with Pakistan in the political and military area," said Hibbs. "But it also provides a workplace for China’s nuclear industry to gain experience in building nuclear power plants abroad, an endeavor that the Chinese in the future very much want to do."

Earlier this month, in another sign that the Chasma project is moving forward, the International Atomic Energy Agency agreed to Pakistan’s request to safeguard the two new planned reactors there, to ensure that the nuclear material from the reactors is not diverted to make nuclear weapons.

In 2008, the United States won a waiver from the Nuclear Suppliers Group before it could go ahead with a controversial nuclear power deal with India. The cartel is made up of countries that work to ensure that civilian nuclear exports are not used to make weapons.

China-Pakistan nuclear cooperation is expected to come up at the group’s annual meeting later this year, although the Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Thursday did not indicate whether China would be seeking a similar waiver.
 
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Pakistani nuclear scientist and engineers should examine the designs and decide if to approve them or not. Or modify the designs...Make sure safety standards and IAEA standards are met.
 
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These news articles are just trying to create a scare.

China wont install anything in Pakistan that could harm hundreds of Pakistanis especially in Punjab where it enjoys the most support.

China needs Pakistan and Pakistanis for its geo-strategic goals.

China and Pakistan share and enjoy many mutual benefits that are in the interests of both nations.
 
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China to Sell Outdated Nuclear Reactors to Pakistan | Asia | English

China to Sell Outdated Nuclear Reactors to Pakistan

China is pressing ahead with nuclear energy cooperation with Pakistan, despite concerns that it is shipping decades-old technology to its South Asian neighbor. This comes as China suspended approvals for new nuclear power plants within China to review safety standards following the recent earthquake/tsunami disaster in Japan.

Chinese authorities have already suspended approvals of new nuclear plants within the country because of safety concerns sparked by the disasters in Japan.

But when Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Jiang Yu was asked Thursday about whether Beijing is similarly concerned about exporting outdated nuclear technology to Pakistan, she dismissed it as unrelated.

Jiang says there are no direct links to the two issues. She says the Chinese government wants to see "orderly and reasonable" nuclear development in China, and is especially concerned about safety.

As for Pakistan, though, she said only that China and Pakistan’s nuclear cooperation has been under the supervision of the International Atomic Energy Agency.

China has provided two reactors to Pakistan’s Chasma nuclear power plant, with a deal that it provide two more. American officials have not expressed outright opposition, but have said if China goes ahead with Chasma 3 and 4, these actions would be "inconsistent" with commitments it made when it joined the Nuclear Suppliers Group in 2004.

Meanwhile, reports on Chinese nuclear websites show work on Chasma is continuing, even after the nuclear crisis in Japan.

Mark Hibbs, an atomic energy expert at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, has closely followed the Chinese-Pakistani nuclear cooperation. He says China has been developing its own nuclear technology, but that it is outdated.

"So far most of the reactors that the Chinese themselves have built on the basis of their own know-how reflects a technology which was available in the West and in advanced nuclear countries outside of China about 30 years ago," he said. "The Chinese are exporting this equipment - this is the technology which China has been exporting to Pakistan. I don’t believe right now that there is a major world market outside of Pakistan which is very interested in this technology."

Hibbs says France, Japan, and the United States provide the world’s most advanced nuclear technology, so he sees China as having commercial reasons for wanting to catch up. He says China also has geopolitical concerns for wanting to help Pakistan.

"What is important for China is that this deal cements and underpins China’s strategic partnership with Pakistan in the political and military area," said Hibbs. "But it also provides a workplace for China’s nuclear industry to gain experience in building nuclear power plants abroad, an endeavor that the Chinese in the future very much want to do."

Earlier this month, in another sign that the Chasma project is moving forward, the International Atomic Energy Agency agreed to Pakistan’s request to safeguard the two new planned reactors there, to ensure that the nuclear material from the reactors is not diverted to make nuclear weapons.

In 2008, the United States won a waiver from the Nuclear Suppliers Group before it could go ahead with a controversial nuclear power deal with India. The cartel is made up of countries that work to ensure that civilian nuclear exports are not used to make weapons.

China-Pakistan nuclear cooperation is expected to come up at the group’s annual meeting later this year, although the Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Thursday did not indicate whether China would be seeking a similar waiver.
 
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If Afia Siddiqui is freed and recovers mentally can help Pakistan in this, she mastered in this field at MIT the most prestigious technology institute in the US.
 
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If Afia Siddiqui is freed and recovers mentally can help Pakistan in this, she mastered in this field at MIT the most prestigious technology institute in the US.

Afia is not a nuclear scientist, she is a neuroscientist.

And btw, Afia Siddiqui got her PhD from a Jewish university, so she may be part of the international zionist conspiracy against pakistan.
 
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Hi, they better have done their simulations correctly...

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Learning from others

Learning from others’ mistakes: More nuclear reactors being planned for the city
By Salman Siddiqui
Published: March 27, 2011
Pakistan authorities justify plans on national security grounds.
KARACHI:

As the residents of Karachi voluntarily switched off their lights on Saturday evening to observe Earth Hour with the rest of the world, somewhere in the country there were people planning more nuclear reactors in the city.

The Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission (PAEC) has rejected criticism by nuclear experts for going ahead with plans of constructing new nuclear reactors in the country, including Karachi, to meet growing energy needs.

The renewed disapproval came in the backdrop of the crisis in Japan, where radiation leaks have been reported in the main water supply systems and contamination in vegetables, especially in the coastal city, Saindai, where the Fukushima reactor exploded.

A PAEC spokesperson said the people who were criticising the commission were working on an agenda of destabilising the country. “Pakistan needs new nuclear reactors on national security grounds,” he said.

At least, six more reactors are reportedly being planned in Karachi. When the Rs19.533-billion budget for PAEC was announced in 2009-2010, it was specified that a part of it would be used for the “survey and feasibility studies of six additional nuclear power plants sites in Karachi”.

Expansion plans for Pakistan’s first nuclear reactor Kanupp-I built in 1972 have reportedly been completed. Kanupp-II, III, IV and V having capacity 325 megawatts each are expected to be constructed according to the plan near Kanupp-I.

The case studies for the new reactors in Karachi have been completed and were awaiting the go ahead for construction from authorities, an official said.

Pakistan Nuclear Regulatory Authority spokesperson Zaheer Ayub Baig insisted that all nuclear reactors were planned keeping in view the threats of earthquakes and tsunamis. “Even though all reactors, including Kanupp are at a safe distance from earthquake fault lines, we have directed the PAEC to analyse and make all necessary preparations in case of an emergency,” Baig said. He also insisted that chances of a tsunami like the one witnessed in Japan were highly unlikely in Karachi.

According to the Pakistan Meteorological Department’s Mukhtar Ahmed Magsi, Pakistan is prone to seismic and tsunami activity. However, Ormara, Pasni and Sonmiani are most vulnerable in case a tsunami is generated by an earthquake along the Makran subduction zone. Jiwani, Gwadar and Karachi were said least danger-prone.

Pakistan has a coastline of around 1,050 kilometres along the Arabian Sea. Makran covers a vast area of about 400 km long and 250 km wide. A subduction region is located about 100 km away from the Makran coast and was responsible for the earthquake-triggered-tsunami in 1945 that killed hundreds.

Pervez Hoodbhoy, physics professor at the Quaid-e-Azam University in Islamabad, called the plans for constructing new nuclear reactors, especially Kanupp, amounting to throwing more good money after bad.

He said Kanupp-I has a very poor track record. According to the International Atomic Energy Agency statistics released in 2009, it has been unavailable for power production 70.4 per cent of the time. But even if it had operated as per design -120MW of electrical power – this would supply only six to seven per cent of Karachi’s total electrical power needs – barely enough for Golimar and Lyari.

“Apart from being outrageously expensive and producing little electricity, Kanupp is a dangerous toy that puts the city’s population at risk. More reactors simply mean more danger. An act of sabotage, terrorist attack, equipment failure, earthquake, or tsunami could lead to large scale radioactive release,” Hoodboy warned.

The scientist said that if a meltdown occurs in Karachi, the scenario would be even more catastrophic since the breeze is mostly directed towards the city.

Both the PAEC and the Pakistan Nuclear Regulatory Authority officials rejected this doomsday scenario. Baig, in fact, said that the recent floods and quakes in Pakistan had made bodies like the National Disaster Management Authority better prepared to respond to any disaster.

Published in The Express Tribune, March 27th, 2011.
 
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We all aprreciate Dr. hoodboy's work and concern - with that said, lets get buisy and build the rest of the reactors -- Demand will spike aftre a 7-10 year period and neither IPI nor TAPI nor Thar will be able to provide the supply required.
 
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:pop: Please answer my question. Has China occurred in a major nuclear accident?
 
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Yes! we shold go ahead with our planz and dont worry about the western world ..cuz they dont care about us ...so why we shold care about them then...they should mind their own business.......:agree:
 
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It is hypocritical for anyone to criticize Pak-China nuclear deal.
Where was this world during the Indo-US deal ? Where was the NSG then ?
 
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:pop: Please answer my question. Has China occurred in a major nuclear accident?

I further add, was there incident when a quake close to eight hit Pakistan? Lets pray Allah keep all of us safe from such incidents. So let proceed further with more reactors. Pakistan is badly in need of energy
 
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