China Pressures Pakistan to Crack down on Uighur separatists

[SQ8]

and I still don't see that effort on the part of the politicians.

Nor will there by any effort. For all the pooh pooing by the Indians about the ties of the establishment to LeT and Hafiz Saeed. and the peaceful intentions of Nawaz Sharif, they are ignorant of how much PML(N) contributes and works alongside JuD in Punjab for its political benefit. And this is official cooperation compared to the establishment use of third and fourth link assets and handlers from time to time.

In plain words, one may have asked someone to ask someone to do something in the past and may not be doing so today.. whilst the other just bought the other person their groceries by handing them their credit card.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Thank you, it's just that being an Indian I don't really know how things work when it comes to such groups except that they share a lot of grey area. I wish good luck to Pakistan in their fight against ISIS.

thanks for good wishes but its not a solo fight be ready, you might be fighting them too. it maybe shocking for both of us but our armies might be fighting together in few coming generations.
this sickness wont go away soon. for some reason World War Z reminds me of ISIS

 

[ranjeet]

thanks for good wishes but its not a solo fight be ready, you might be fighting them too. it maybe shocking for both of us but our armies might be fighting together in few coming generations.
this sickness wont go away soon. for some reason World War Z reminds me of ISIS

Yeah there are some signs within our country, but considering Modi is at the helm Security agencies have to walk on a really tight rope. Or else it can be termed as Majority is trying to victimize the minority. GoI has started to rope in the community leaders to help tackle this menace.
India and Pakistan fighting together would be something to see who knows it might finally make both nation understand how a stable neighbor is a must for peace on the border and within. I better not digress from the topic further.

 

[Reem]

Sometimes it is felt PA stands alone against so many terrorist outfits, so much responsibility on fighting these outfits, so little focus on development and building left for own people, with PA taking responsibility of fighting so many outfits, they all become state enemies.....

Would those billions of investment from China help in developing Pakistan by any means, or that will end up largely in the pockets of few....

Didn't we get souvenir of TTP while helping our neighbour with their war against Taliban there, no feelings and well wishing emotions exist today between Pakistanis and Afghanis, inspite of what Pakistan as a state and country has done for Afghanistan for decades.

 

[C130]

China should start funding operation then. even then I don't see how Pakistan can tame these taliban infested areas. they are like rats and roaches more spring up out of the sewers.

 

[VCheng]

China should start funding operation then. even then I don't see how Pakistan can tame these taliban infested areas. they are like rats and roaches more spring up out of the sewers.

If China funds this operation directly, it will only serve to reinforce the impression about the availability of Pakistan's military on transactional bases, which cannot be good at all.

 

[Jit]

The US department of defence also just stated again, publicly, that Pakistan is being a terrorist state and waging proxy war in India and Afghanistan through jihadi terrorist proxy.

China is pretty much saying the same thing.

A couple of months ago, Iran told Pakistan that if they are incapable of eradicating jihadi terrorists, then Iran will, INSIDE Pakistan.

One has to wonder what these countries - India, USA, China, Iran, UK - achieve by making statements such as these. Both the Bush and Obama administrations simply do not have had the ability to accomplish anything via foreign policy in a large part due to such impotent public bleatings.

Mind you, I am not for a moment suggesting there is any doubt in the fact of proxy war that Pentagon is talking about. Indians have said it, UK has said it, China has said it as well. i am just wondering if making such public statements in the absence of back channel pressure is useful.

Pakistan has to be weaned of the Saudi money, Chinese money and US money, without a steady supply of which they will have to face some really harsh truths of life, a degenerative military coup being the least of the fall out. jihadi proxy war is the only tactic they seem to have to sustain their country.

China is only recently waking up to the fact that dirty bombs made of material stored in the 120+ Pakistani nuclear locations will put China in as much jeopardy as the rest of the region if the so called jihadi monsters tale over or even manage some access.

therefore it is quite important that the slow transfer of power that we have seen happening in the past three years from the government to the military and the gradual official sanction of radical sections of ISI handlers of the jihadi gangs are curtailed asap

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

The US department of defence also just stated again, publicly, that Pakistan is being a terrorist state and waging proxy war in India and Afghanistan through jihadi terrorist proxy.

They stated so without any credible facts and evidence to back up their claims, and their own military commander in Afghanistan contradicted the report when he argued (days after news of the Pentagon Report broke) that Pakistani military operations in Waziristan had "fractured the Haqqani network".

China is pretty much saying the same thing.

No it is not.

A couple of months ago, Iran told Pakistan that if they are incapable of eradicating jihadi terrorists, then Iran will, INSIDE Pakistan.

The Iranians have themselves been accused of supporting the Taliban in Afghanistan and the Iraqi insurgents during the US occupation, not to mention their long lasting support for Hamas and Hezbollah, so please, try to use a more credible example next time.

One has to wonder what these countries - India, USA, China, Iran, UK - achieve by making statements such as these.

They are not "all" making the same statement.

jihadi proxy war is the only tactic they seem to have to sustain their country.

Utter BS - what exactly is this claim based on?

China is only recently waking up to the fact that dirty bombs made of material stored in the 120+ Pakistani nuclear locations will put China in as much jeopardy as the rest of the region if the so called jihadi monsters tale over or even manage some access.

Do you even know what a dirty bomb is? Pakistani nuclear weapons technology went past the "dirty bomb" phase in the eighties. Even the bomb and centrifuge designs AQ Khan peddled to the Iranians and North Koreans were outdated by several decades.

therefore it is quite important that the slow transfer of power that we have seen happening in the past three years from the government to the military and the gradual official sanction of radical sections of ISI handlers of the jihadi gangs are curtailed asap

No you really have demonstrated how poorly you understand Pakistan and the region - the "slow transfer of power" over the last few years has been from the military to the government, and there is no "official sanction of radical sections of ISI handlers of Jihadi gangs" except for the paranoid, conspiracy laden, fevered imaginations of many in the West and India.

 

[acid rain]

I think only LeJ and some TTP elements swore allegiance to ISIS, show me where LeT has said the same?
there might be rivalry here like in Iraq and Syria the ISIS is executing Al Qaeda, FSA and Jamat Al Nusra and has mass executed Sunni Tribal people as a punishment for air strikes on ISIS

I said "expect". What one needs to understand first is what are goals here. ISIS made it clear what their goals are when they released their global domination map.

Now how do they go about it? By recruiting locals and groups. JEM, LET, Haqqani, ttp will most likely join them or will have yo go against them.

 

[Indian Patriot]

About the angle of Daesh (ISIL) and ETIM: Daesh does not have much of a future in Pakistan. There are a number of factors at work that makes Daesh relevant to Syria & Iraq, but not Pakistan.

1. Pakistan has a longer and deeper experience with democracy and despite imperfections, Pakistanis generally value ballots over bullets. The only risk in this is expanding influence of certain Madressah networks wherein students are taught that democracy is kufr. I do not see this risk as too significant now or in the near future.

2. Pakistan is not a dictator-ruled country. Even when we do have them, dictators are compelled to 'manufacture' legitimacy via ballot box. No one organization or person can come to rule Pakistan, just like that.

3. Daesh has arisen as a result of back-lash and reaction to invasion and foreign armed interference. Such a scenario does not exist in Pakistan.

4. Even though there is Indian interference that encourages armed groups inside Pakistan, supporting Daesh is not something Indians are likely to do.

5. People of Pakistan support their Army and Pakistan Army will not allow a group like Daesh to strengthen itself within Pakistan. People and Army of Pakistan have sacrificed a lot to let another terror group to take root here.

1. Pakistan's connection with dictatorship is longer and deeper than democracy.

2. You were ruled for more years by dictators than PM.

3. Pakistan is a radical islamic state.

4. If you believe India can support TTP against you then why not ISIS?

5. You cant handle TTP, ISIS to bohut furr ki baat hai.

 

[Indian Patriot]

China also started ordering Pakistan now.

 

[Prometheus]

hhhhmmmm.......why selective approach to "freedom Fighters" from kashmir and uighurs??

arent they also fighting for rite for self discrimination like Kashmiris ??

@Oscar bhai??? Israel has not done anything to Pakistan , still Pakistan shows all round to Palestine and is anti-Israel...........but when it comes to China , why light face???
Is Pakistan only using muslim card when it suits them?? ##justasking

 

[SQ8]

hhhhmmmm.......why selective approach to "freedom Fighters" from kashmir and uighurs??

arent they also fighting for rite for self discrimination like Kashmiris ??

@Oscar bhai??? Israel has not done anything to Pakistan , still Pakistan shows all round to Palestine and is anti-Israel...........but when it comes to China , why light face???
Is Pakistan only using muslim card when it suits them?? ##justasking

Israel may not have "done" anything to Pakistan but cooperation with your side's wishes has brought a lot of damage to Pakistan on and off. Moreover, there is ample effort by Israel to curtail Pakistan's nuclear program as it is the only nation which they still fear that under a hardline extremist leader may pose a threat to Israel. The rest of the Arab nations they have pacified or turned into closet allies.

The light face is nothing new. It is based on what suits Pakistan interests. The United states supported what were also essentially terrorists by the definition of the Soviet Union in Afghanistan.. which are known as the Mujhiddeen. Why? Because it was in their interest. India provides funding and assistance to elements of the Baloch insurgency in Afghanistan on and off...why? because it is in India's interest.
Pakistan looks the other way with Kashmiri insurgents whilst it will go after the Uighur militants.. why? because that is the best interests of Pakistan.. all those who consider this in the light of hypocrisy...immorally are essentially delusional and living in a utopian idea of the world.

 

[Indian Patriot]

Israel may not have "done" anything to Pakistan but cooperation with your side's wishes has brought a lot of damage to Pakistan on and off. Moreover, there is ample effort by Israel to curtail Pakistan's nuclear program as it is the only nation which they still fear that under a hardline extremist leader may pose a threat to Israel. The rest of the Arab nations they have pacified or turned into closet allies.

The light face is nothing new. It is based on what suits Pakistan interests. The United states supported what were also essentially terrorists by the definition of the Soviet Union in Afghanistan.. which are known as the Mujhiddeen. Why? Because it was in their interest. India provides funding and assistance to elements of the Baloch insurgency in Afghanistan on and off...why? because it is in India's interest.
Pakistan looks the other way with Kashmiri insurgents whilst it will go after the Uighur militants.. why? because that is the best interests of Pakistan.. all those who consider this in the light of hypocrisy...immorally are essentially delusional and living in a utopian idea of the world.

Pakistan looking the other way while its home-grown terrorists grew in strength and numbers is the result Pakistan is in the mess it finds itself today.

 

[SQ8]

Pakistan looking the other way while its home-grown terrorists grew in strength and numbers is the result Pakistan is in the mess it finds itself today.

Sure, there is no disagreement with that. But that has little to do with the need to push one's interest.
I for one believe that if Pakistan is proven to shelter Dawood Ibrahim.. then from a purely self interest PoV(despite its obvious long term negatives) the influencing power of a major criminal causing chaos and mayhem in the Indian underworld and political landscape is quite useful.