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China plans Beijing-Moscow high-speed rail
By Fan Anqi, January 22, 2015
China.org.cn

China plans to build a tourist passage to connect with neighboring countries, according to an announcement by the Information Office of Beijing Municipality on Jan. 22, 2015.

The high-speed rail between Beijing and Moscow will be a two day journey, covering a distance of 7,000 km, via Kazakhstan. The project investment is estimated to be 1.5 trillion yuan (US$245 billion). Transportation corridors with Northeast Asia, West Asia and South Asia will also contribute to the tourism between China and neighboring countries.

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China, Russia Plan $242 Billion Beijing-Moscow Rail Link
By Michael S. Arnold Jan 22, 2015
Bloomberg


China will build a 7,000-kilometer (4,350-mile) high-speed rail link from Beijing to Moscow, at a cost of 1.5 trillion yuan ($242 billion), Beijing’s city government said on the social networking site Weibo.

The rail line seeks to facilitate travel across Europe and Asia, Beijing’s municipal government said Jan. 21 in a post on Weibo, China’s equivalent of Twitter. The journey from Beijing to Moscow would take “two days” on a route passing through Kazakhstan, the post said.

The proposed rail line comes as Russia’s economy struggles to recover from the fall in the price of crude oil and as relations with the U.S. and Europe deteriorate over the Ukraine conflict, and as China pushes to market its high-speed rail technology internationally.

The rail line was mooted in November, after Russia and China last year agreed on the largest natural-gas supply deal in history. Alexander Misharin, a first vice-president at state-owned OAO Russian Railways, said in a Nov. 18 interview that the plan would cost $60 billion to reach Russia’s border, and would cut the Beijing-Moscow journey from five days to 30 hours.

In May, after more than a decade of talks, natural-gas exporter OAO Gazprom reached a $400 billion deal with China to build a pipeline and start supplies. Misharin, in the November comments, compared the new transport network to the Suez Canal “in terms of scale and significance.”

Those comments came a month after a delegation to Moscow led by Chinese Premier Li Keqiang signed accords that included high-speed rail cooperation, a three-year 150 billion yuan ($24 billion) local-currency swap deal and a double-taxation treaty.

The link to Beijing would take eight to 10 years to build, Misharin said in November.
 
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This is one crazy & awesome project! I love it! :yahoo: Siberian Express, I'm riding you all the way to Moscow!

I am surprised at the speed of the two governments to reach a consensus.
 
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The Beijing--GuangZhou HSR is about 2000km with the cheapest ticket pricing at about 900 RMB, so this one's cheapest ticket may probably cost above 3000RMB,which is too expensive.Additionally considering the very long time it will take, scenic view could be the only reason that passenger choose this transportation tool.Lack of passengers, which leads to the Taiwan HSP's bankruptcy:lol:, may become a problem.
But that's not our concern.I guess the Russian can not afford it by cash and it's in exchange for Russian's gas.Anyway our related companies will greatly benefit from this and maybe no need to worry about orders in the next 10 years.:china:
 
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I seriously doubt the economic viability of this project.

$200 billion is an awful amount of money, and there is nothing in between moscow and beijing worth visiting. I don't think government should fund such projects.
 
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Well, at least I want to ride it b/f it goes bankrupt, lol. On a serious note, this rail project may just be the beginning, I suspect subsequent industrial oriented slow railway will run parallel to it, perhaps with complimentry city/industrial centres dotting the line springing up over time. This will pull more population toward the rail route for sustainable commerce/trade & of course rail usage. Hopefully so.
 
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I am surprised at the speed of the two governments to reach a consensus.

Yes amazing speed, by more than two governments, note at least Kazahstan is involved.

Also, the line will likely to branch out to form a network with nearby cities/countries.

Well, at least I want to ride it b/f it goes bankrupt, lol. On a serious note, this rail project may just be the beginning, I suspect subsequent industrial oriented slow railway will run parallel to it, perhaps with complimentry city/industrial centres dotting the line springing up over time. This will pull more population toward the rail route for sustainable commerce/trade & of course rail usage. Hopefully so.

Actually you are correct, the rail is supposed to pull developments along it (要致富先修路), as observed within China's own HSR network.

Lower speed freight tracks is always part of the plan, just that HSR passenger line attracts more eyeballs.
 
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I hope it will not come thru. Seriously, if you want to visit Moscow, take plane is much faster. 8 hrs will settle the journey compare to 2days. HSR is more suitable for less than 2000km journey.

240 billion is an aweful amount of money to waste.
 
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I hope it will not come thru. Seriously, if you want to visit Moscow, take plane is much faster. 8 hrs will settle the journey compare to 2days. HSR is more suitable for less than 2000km journey.

240 billion is an aweful amount of money to waste.


Totally agree.

Not only this, strategically China should not allow Russian migration towards its East. If it can hold Russians in the east for 50 years and continue to grow, it can actually finally reclaim the Far East Siberia.
 
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I hope it will not come thru. Seriously, if you want to visit Moscow, take plane is much faster. 8 hrs will settle the journey compare to 2days. HSR is more suitable for less than 2000km journey.

240 billion is an aweful amount of money to waste.

Don't worry bro, they have done detailed modelling for a long time. Utilization tends to get higher in the middle, lower at both ends. Think of it as a lot of sections connected together. Take my self as a example, I don't usually travel all the way from 北京-上海 on 京沪高铁, but so frequently do 上海-济南 or 济南-北京.

Other originally smaller cities along the line also show remarkable improvement in business as witnessed by one important indicator, land price.

Also, the importance of freight is not to be undermined, BJ-SH freight costs has dropped 18-23% since operation of 京沪高铁, 40-50% in speed courier business.
 
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Don't worry bro, they have done detailed modelling for a long time. Utilization tends to get higher in the middle, lower at both ends. Think of it as a lot of sections connected together. Take my self as a example, I don't usually travel all the way from 北京-上海 on 京沪高铁, but so frequently do 上海-济南 or 济南-北京.

Other originally smaller cities along the line also show remarkable improvement in business as witnessed by one important indicator, land price.

Also, the importance of freight is not to be undermined, BJ-SH freight costs has dropped 18-23% since operation of 京沪高铁, 40-50% in speed courier business.
Unless Russia willing to finance 50% of the whole HSR. If its so called an investment ask by Russian for China to solely invest the project. I am all against.

Totally agree.

Not only this, strategically China should not allow Russian migration towards its East. If it can hold Russians in the east for 50 years and continue to grow, it can actually finally reclaim the Far East Siberia.

More like Chinese flood the Russia area. Russian sometimes will flip flop and their stance sometime is unpredictable. Building such an expensive HSR for them sounds dangerous.
 
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Unless Russia willing to finance 50% of the whole HSR. If its so called an investment ask by Russian for China to solely invest the project. I am all against.



More like Chinese flood the Russia area. Russian sometimes will flip flop and their stance sometime is unpredictable. Building such an expensive HSR for them sounds dangerous.

Totally! It is worth a year and half of China's defence budget!

It would be much more useful to spend that amount in core technologies in all areas, particularly building a technology-military-industrial complex like the United States.
 
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Unless Russia willing to finance 50% of the whole HSR. If its so called an investment ask by Russian for China to solely invest the project. I am all against.

Again relax bro, each country put up>51% on their respective section, making Russia the largest stakeholder.
I have participated in these sorts of negotiations, everybody on the table knows the game rule
 
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