China-Pakistan getting together while Afghanistan becomes hub for ISI: Where does India stand?

[Tiger Genie]

Always amusing to read Pakistani leaders and cyber warriors couch simple things in grand terms aping real global leaders. For example they have started using the term 'strategy' for 'jihadi terrorism using mujahiddeen' !ISI hub my foot!

 

[Bratva]

As a Think Tank it would be great to look for inspiration from ur fellow countrymen like Arsalan on how to respond logically and basically good discussable posts.

What a illogical way to respond. How much do you know about AF-Pak region and accusations from Afghanistan which began in 2006 that Pakmil is supporting taliban ?

The reason Pakistan jump in to 80 proxy was the same to deny Soviet,Afghani and India influencing Baloch and Pashtun elements of Pakistan. And this is no different than that time !

 

[pakistani342]

that creature is an indian.

Yes, I think I stated that in my post no? Seems Sirohi is a well known and respected Indian correspondent with a focus on Foreign Policy issues especially India/US issues. In addition she is a hawk to the core as far as Pakistan - she makes Vikram Sood look like a lamb.

To my amazement some of our Indian friends who are senior members of this form (and feel they have a linkage to powerful creatures of mythology -- bearing a eagle's head on a lion's body -- @GR!FF!N ) think she is a Pakistani plant -- what is the world coming too ?!?!? -- lol

I guess it's much easier to give yourself a name from mythology than actually educate yourself.

To grand names and ignorance -- for certainly ignorance is bliss!

lol

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

What a illogical way to respond. How much do you know about AF-Pak region and accusations from Afghanistan which began in 2006 that Pakmil is supporting taliban ?

The reason Pakistan jump in to 80 proxy was the same to deny Soviet,Afghani and India influencing Baloch and Pashtun elements of Pakistan. And this is no different than that time !

Pak Military have been supporting Taliban since its inception since its inception.

What are you going to tell now? MMS was a peace loving PM and he was one. Modi isnt.

What about Kargil "backstabbing" attacks, 2001 parliament attacks, 2006 Mumbai suburban train attacks and 26/11?

Ring a bell..?? What you sow, so shall you reap..

We reaped what we sowed through orgs such as LTTE. Now its ur turn. But sadly its innocents who is paying the mistake of PA

 

[pakistani342]

to point was according to your post..


ISI's Hub....

and Pakistan's RAW Fear..there is possibly no involvement in Afghanistan in the first place.. Conspiracy theories at best.



that is the only reason.possibly thats why India's main contribution in Afghanistan is School,Road,Healthcare and Food Donation and not Arms Donation and Funding..we do train ANA,but thats only few hundreds of them.

Pakistan is a la la land.They justified their acts against Afghanistan using the words "RAW" and "India"..they themselves defending from TTP,yet here people cheering for "AF Taliban"..No wonder they're in such sorry state.

by the way....

It is Pakistan which is reconciling between Talibans and Afghanistan.its a two edged Knife.Talibans will not hold talks as Ghani signed US-Afghanistan Troops Agreement.And Afghanistan will not let it go.and it'll remain a stalemate for now.

Pak Military have been supporting Taliban since its inception since its inception.

What are you going to tell now? MMS was a peace loving PM and he was one. Modi isnt.

What about Kargil "backstabbing" attacks, 2001 parliament attacks, 2006 Mumbai suburban train attacks and 26/11?

Ring a bell..?? What you sow, so shall you reap..

We reaped what we sowed through orgs such as LTTE. Now its ur turn. But sadly its innocents who is paying the mistake of PA

Just curious:

1. How about annexation of a Muslim majority territory Kashmir [considering Hindu Majority Hyderabad was annexed by India]
2. Siachen Glacier [if Kargil was back stabbing]
3. India's support of Mukti Bhani [Taliban's support]
4. India's support of Baloch Terrorists [Brahamdagh Bugti travelled on an Indian Passport from Afghanistan to Geneva]

Is it only Pakistani DNA that is flawed?

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

Just curious:

1. How about annexation of a Muslim majority territory Kashmir [considering Hindu Majority Hyderabad was annexed by India]
2. Siachen Glacier [if Kargil was back stabbing]
3. India's support of Mukti Bhani [Taliban's support]
4. India's support of Baloch Terrorists [Brahamdagh Bugti travelled on an Indian Passport from Afghanistan to Geneva]

Is it only Pakistani DNA that is flawed?

Why dont you go back further to 1600? Me and ur fellow mate were talking of incidents happened quite recently. Not historical issues.

Pakistani DNA would be better served if they do not eat their food spiked with religion. It would be served better if spiked with Salt which can save ur population from Brainwashing and terrorism.

 

[pakistani342]

Why dont you go back further to 1600? Me and ur fellow mate were talking of incidents happened quite recently. Not historical issues.

Pakistani DNA would be better served if they do not eat their food spiked with religion. It would be served better if spiked with Salt which can save ur population from Brainwashing and terrorism.

So when is it recent ? Why not start from 1947 ... why is 1971 not recent and 2010 is?

So when is it recent ? Why not start from 1947 ... why is 1971 not recent and 2010 is?

Just a point - a religious zealot has never (at least thus far) never ceased power or been elected to high office in Pakistan - so agree on Pakistani DNA would be better served if they do not eat their food spiked with religion -- but is it only harmful to Pakistani DNA? -- or is chapman-inch ki chatti wala totally kosher for our Brahmin friends?

And I know you don't like to go back in history -- even a giant like Ghandiji infused religion into politics - leading many Muslims (especially secular ones) to be dismayed.

So throw stones all you want - the Mullahs are not my team - but if do remember that you live in a glass house too

Pakistani DNA would be better served if they do not eat their food spiked with religion. It would be served better if spiked with Salt which can save ur population from Brainwashing and terrorism.

Actually forgive me but I forgot this is the second stint of the right wing Hindu Party (BJP) in India - the Jamat-e Islami or the Jameet-e Uluma has never lead a government in Pakistan (thank G-d if she exists) -- strange things happen eh. Secular India elects Right wing Hindu Party twice - first with a mild mannered poet Vajpayee at its head and now a man widely believed to be at the helm of the murder rape of roughly 1000 Muslims at the helm of Indian leadership -- strange things do happen in this galaxy of ours.

chappan inch ki chatti walay ki jai !!!

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

So when is it recent ? Why not start from 1947 ... why is 1971 not recent and 2010 is?



Just a point - a religious zealot has never (at least thus far) never ceased power or been elected to high office in Pakistan - so agree on Pakistani DNA would be better served if they do not eat their food spiked with religion -- but is it only harmful to Pakistani DNA? -- or is chapman-inch ki chatti wala totally kosher for our Brahmin friends?

And I know you don't like to go back in history -- even a giant like Ghandiji infused religion into politics - leading many Muslims (especially secular ones) to be dismayed.

So throw stones all you want - the Mullahs are not my team - but if do remember that you live in a glass house too

Lol at ur intention to bring Brahmins who represent less than 4% of our total population. Anyway I am not a Brahmin . While its true, food spiked with religion affects everyone , irrespective of the religion one follow, sadly, hindus nor christians or Indian Muslims blow up their own countrymens.
We were talking of 2000's to be exact. Close the madrassas and honestly it is a decision which will close the political career in Pakistan

 

[pakistani342]

Lol at ur intention to bring Brahmins who represent less than 4% of our total population. Anyway I am not a Brahmin

It was bad on my part - I take it back - I should not have done it - well neither were my forefathers - they were probably untouchables.

. While its true, food spiked with religion affects everyone , irrespective of the religion one follow, sadly, hindus nor christians or Indian Muslims blow up their own countrymens.
We were talking of 2000's to be exact. Close the madrassas and honestly it is a decision which will close the political career in Pakistan

Forgive me but the Partition riots killed anywhere from 300,000 to 2,000,000 people if estimates are to be believed - and the violence happened from both sides - further Muslims being the numerical minority would probably have been on the receiving end (not because they have any moral superiority -- just because they're fewer in number) -- so again, sadly, it seems that South Asia may talk about Ahimsa but it's practice is certainly selective -- or at least its memory is.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

Actually forgive me but I forgot this is the second stint of the right wing Hindu Party (BJP) in India - the Jamat-e Islami or the Jameet-e Uluma has never lead a government in Pakistan (thank G-d if she exists) -- strange things happen eh. Secular India elects Right wing Hindu Party twice - first with a mild mannered poet Vajpayee at its head and now a man widely believed to be at the helm of the murder rape of roughly 1000 Muslims at the helm of Indian leadership -- strange things do happen in this galaxy of ours.

chappan inch ki chatti walay ki jai !!!

The same way Pakistanis were silent when Zia forced changes or Ayub Khan committed genocide in Bangladesh. The question is what happened in India is related to Indians. Why does it even matter to you (or for anyone) if they are Hindus or Muslims? Totally 1000 people died from the riots. 250 Hindus and 750 Muslims. Honestly we are ashamed of the riots that damaged our social fabric. But we must move on.

We cannot elect the same failure govt (2009-2014) again for collapsing the economy. 2004-2009 era under Congress was a good rule if not golden. If Modi fails, he will be shunted out in the next. Any problems with that?

 

[pakistani342]

The same way Pakistanis were silent when Zia forced changes or Ayub Khan committed genocide in Bangladesh.

The Genocide is a shameful chapter in Pakistan's history but to say that only one side suffered atrocities is fiction.

Plus to say that a 50,000 Army that was surrounded in a hostile territory and could have raped and killed 3,000,000 people is fiction

Plus the "other sufferers" in the atrocity -- arguably genocide -- was perpetrated by a force formed, supported and lead by the Indian Army -- Mukti Bhaini -- at least the Taliban never boiled alive people or bayonetted them in public squares -- so who's the bigger terrorist supported?

The question is what happened in India is related to Indians. Why does it even matter to you (or for anyone) if they are Hindus or Muslims? Totally 1000 people died from the riots. 250 Hindus and 750 Muslims. Honestly we are ashamed of the riots that damaged our social fabric. But we must move on.

If that is the case that what does it matter to you if Pakistanis eat religious spiked food - it is a Pakistani problem.

But that is a dishonest simplification that Indians respond to.

If Pakistani Hundus are discriminated against - is there not any upload in India -- there is and there should be.

We cannot elect the same failure govt (2009-2014) again for collapsing the economy. 2004-2009 era under Congress was a good rule if not golden. If Modi fails, he will be shunted out in the next. Any problems with that?

The point is the in secular India it is a right wing Hindu Nationalist who was the only choice available -- while in religious-o-theocratic-o Pakistani the religious fanatics have never gotten more than 10-15 percent of the votes.

Thanks Mr. Jinnah -- I'll face the Taliban fanatics anyday than live under a butcher like Modi

All I ask for is the same scale to be used -- if there is any evidence of religious spiked food -- regardless of whatever slogans are raised -- Modijee is the elephant in the room.

The Taliban cannot win an election in a 100 years in Pakistan and thankfully so.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

It was bad on my part - I take it back - I should not have done it - well neither were my forefathers - they were probably untouchables.



Forgive me but the Partition riots killed anywhere from 300,000 to 2,000,000 people if estimates are to be believed - and the violence happened from both sides - further Muslims being the numerical minority would probably have been on the receiving end (not because they have any moral superiority -- just because they're fewer in number) -- so again, sadly, it seems that South Asia may talk about Ahimsa but it's practice is certainly selective -- or at least its memory is.

I would tell again. Jinnah missed the opportunity for a strong S.Asia for his religious gains. There was no point Hindus could have dominated Muslims in a united scenario. Roughly 55-60 pc would have been Hindus, and Muslims 30-35%. Would have always remained a secular nation. The scenario of Hindu ruling Muslim states were remotely nil. I mean Muslim oly leads J&K govt till now. If Sindh or Baloch were muslim majority naturally they would elect Muslims as their CM and political parties will project a Muslim face. Jinnah's fear was misplaced

But what is done is done and we are happy with status quo.

The Genocide is a shameful chapter in Pakistan's history but to say that only one side suffered atrocities is fiction.

Plus to say that a 50,000 Army that was surrounded in a hostile territory and could have raped and killed 3,000,000 people is fiction

Plus the "other sufferers" in the atrocity -- arguably genocide -- was perpetrated by a force formed, supported and lead by the Indian Army -- Mukti Bhaini -- at least the Taliban never boiled alive people or bayonetted them in public squares -- so who's the bigger terrorist supported?



If that is the case that what does it matter to you if Pakistanis eat religious spiked food - it is a Pakistani problem.

But that is a dishonest simplification that Indians respond to.

If Pakistani Hundus are discriminated against - is there not any upload in India -- there is and there should be.



The point is the in secular India it is a right wing Hindu Nationalist who was the only choice available -- while in religious-o-theocratic-o Pakistani the religious fanatics have never gotten more than 10-15 percent of the votes.

Thanks Mr. Jinnah -- I'll face the Taliban fanatics anyday than live under a butcher like Modi

All I ask for is the same scale to be used -- if there is any evidence of religious spiked food -- regardless of whatever slogans are raised -- Modijee is the elephant in the room.

The Taliban cannot win an election in a 100 years in Pakistan and thankfully so.

Modi was never convicted by any court. You cannot tell the same about Taliban buddy

 

[pakistani342]

I would tell again. Jinnah missed the opportunity for a strong S.Asia for his religious gains. There was no point Hindus could have dominated Muslims in a united scenario. Roughly 55-60 pc would have been Hindus, and Muslims 30-35%. Would have always remained a secular nation. The scenario of Hindu ruling Muslim states were remotely nil. I mean Muslim oly leads J&K govt till now. If Sindh or Baloch were muslim majority naturally they would elect Muslims as their CM and political parties will project a Muslim face. Jinnah's fear was misplaced

But what is done is done and we are happy with status quo.



Modi was never convicted by any court. You cannot tell the same about Taliban buddy

Well I don't necessarily disagree with you -- my point was that you were using two scales one for Pakistan and one for Indians.

My point remains -- let's use one scale:

1. How about annexation of a Muslim majority territory Kashmir [considering Hindu Majority Hyderabad was annexed by India]
2. Siachen Glacier [if Kargil was back stabbing]
3. India's support of Mukti Bhani [Taliban's support]
4. India's support of Baloch Terrorists [Brahamdagh Bugti travelled on an Indian Passport from Afghanistan to Geneva]
5. Modi elected in secular India [Taliban cannot win an election in a 100 years]

Modi was never convicted by any court. You cannot tell the same about Taliban buddy

Modi was not convicted in court is a poor defense -- no Pakistani officer was convicted on Genocide in a court -- does not mean that sections of the Pakistani army were not involved in war crimes and crimes against humanity.

And the worst part is that you have used that as a defense -- wonder how it is to be a muslim in India - Modi was never convicted by court -- disgusting

Well I don't necessarily disagree with you -- my point was that you were using two scales one for Pakistan and one for Indians.

My point remains -- let's use one scale:

1. How about annexation of a Muslim majority territory Kashmir [considering Hindu Majority Hyderabad was annexed by India]
2. Siachen Glacier [if Kargil was back stabbing]
3. India's support of Mukti Bhani [Taliban's support]
4. India's support of Baloch Terrorists [Brahamdagh Bugti travelled on an Indian Passport from Afghanistan to Geneva]
5. Modi elected in secular India [Taliban cannot win an election in a 100 years]



Modi was not convicted in court is a poor defense -- no Pakistani officer was convicted on Genocide in a court -- does not mean that sections of the Pakistani army were not involved in war crimes and crimes against humanity.

And the worst part is that you have used that as a defense -- wonder how it is to be a muslim in India - Modi was never convicted by court -- disgusting

What is surprising to me is that to date I have never heard an India friend say to me that he or she is ashamed that a person like Modi - who is by any reasonable standard a murderer and criminal againt humanity - can rise to the highest office in India - not only that I have not seen secular politicians in India like Sashi Tharoor, Salman Haider, etc. express disappointment and disgust that the great secular nation of India has elected the chapman inch ki chatti wala as its prime minister.

So though I view the partition of India through a skeptical lens - I sadly have to say thank you Mr. Jinnah - I'd gladly face the bombs of the ignorant Taliban - than the murderous arsonists riots of an educated Religious Fundamentalist Modi.

 

[mingle]

India has nothing to do in Afghanistan i beleive iran GONNA join the party soon with pak and China reason having friendly and helping pakistan serves interests of both iran and Afghanistan

 

[PDF]

India has nothing to do in Afghanistan i beleive iran GONNA join the party soon with pak and China reason having friendly and helping pakistan serves interests of both iran and Afghanistan

It better join us,lets hope...