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Read my reply above before spanking bhai...:cool:
I have. Your comment revealed -- to me -- that you do not know what you are talking about as far as APPLIED TECHNOLOGY.

He -- Mr. @SOUTHie -- spanked YOU. :lol:

By the time any technology is available for mass production and consumption, it is borderline obsolete. In military and space applications, vehicles are often away from supporting infrastructures and must rely on the current crew for maintenance, therefore, you want obsolete -- read PROVEN -- technology.

When your space probe is billions of miles ( or kilometers ) from home, you want technology the civilian sector suffered its teething pains and corrected the flaws.

Have you ever been inside a main battle tank ( MBT ) ? Am willing to guess -- NOT. Your scary forum handle do not impress me, son. When I was on the F-111, which was 1950s technology, and on the F-16, which was 1960s technology, their outdatedness were evident. And yet, each was something your China could not produce at that time.
 
I have. Your comment revealed -- to me -- that you do not know what you are talking about as far as APPLIED TECHNOLOGY.

He -- Mr. @SOUTHie -- spanked YOU. :lol:

By the time any technology is available for mass production and consumption, it is borderline obsolete. In military and space applications, vehicles are often away from supporting infrastructures and must rely on the current crew for maintenance, therefore, you want obsolete -- read PROVEN -- technology.

When your space probe is billions of miles ( or kilometers ) from home, you want technology the civilian sector suffered its teething pains and corrected the flaws.

Have you ever been inside a main battle tank ( MBT ) ? Am willing to guess -- NOT. Your scary forum handle do not impress me, son. When I was on the F-111, which was 1950s technology, and on the F-16, which was 1960s technology, their outdatedness were evident. And yet, each was something your China could not produce at that time.
My friend do you know Moore's Law? :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:... Solid rocket or liquid rocket propulsion had remained almost the same since the 80s. You are comparing the advancement in sensors, precision control to propellant. If that was the case, America wouldn't need to take another 10 years to recreate their manned moon program genius. Funny how they even lost the original footage of the Apollo landings. US and China are almost on equal footing now with regards to manned lunar landings bro.

https://www.space.com/7015-40-years-moon-landing-hard.html
40 Years After Moon Landing: Why Is It So Hard to Go Back?

Am also not denying we were behind US in alot of technology,why do you even need to compare with us. We are nothing but a poor third world country. :rofl:
 
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Engineers lost contact with the space laboratory last year, and has been gradually falling back to Earth ever since
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An out-of-control space laboratory is falling towards the Earth and will crash land soon, experts say.

The Chinese space station is accelerating its fall towards us and will reach the ground in the coming months, Harvard astrophysicist Jonathan McDowell told the Guardian. It is decaying quickly and he expects "expect it will come down a few months from now – late 2017 or early 2018", he told the paper.

The Tiangong 1 station was launched in 2011 as one of the great hopes of the Chinese ambitions in space, and as part of a plan to show itself off as a global superpower. The country's space agency referred to the station as the "Heavenly Palace" and conducted a range of missions, some of which included astronauts.

But last year scientists at Chinese's CNSA space agency said that they had lost control of the lab, and that it would now be heading towards Earth. That put an end to months of speculation, as experts watching the path of the station suggested that it had been behaving strangely.



China's space station is hurtling to Earth, say experts
And it also sparked immediate concerns that people on the ground could be at risk from the falling space debris.

It's unlikely that anyone will be harmed by the crash, or that anyone would see it at all, since it's most likely that the lab will drop into the sea. But it's still possible that it would crash somewhere near people.

It's very difficult to predict where it will fall because engineers have lost control of the capsule and it will be thrown around by the wind as it comes down. Even a slight push from the weather could send it from one continent to the next.

Much of the debris will burn up on its way into Earth's atmosphere. But chunks as big as 100kg will make their way through and fall from the skies, said McDowell.

In the past, space junk has fallen within sight of people, and there have even been reports of injuries.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/s...earth-china-cnsa-nasa-when-date-a7999526.html
Hopefully the space lab crashes over modi’s head and kills him
 
Even the ISS will face the same problem when they reach the end of life.

True. Take a look at Skylab.

Except from The Unpredictable End of Skylab.

The public got concerned – what would happen when an almost 80 ton colossus came crashing down to the ground? A short time before, a nuclear powered Russian satellite struck northern Canada and the topic of space debris made the headlines for the first time in history. When the time came for Skylab to “return home” the event was slated to become a media sensation. The San Francisco Examiner offered $ 10,000 for the first piece of the station delivered to its offices and the competing Chronicle promised to pay $ 200,000 if a subscriber were to be injured or have property damaged.


Then came July 1979. Controllers directed the station towards the southern ocean and hoped it would come down about 1,300 km southeast of Cape Town, South Africa. But as it always had done, not even now did Skylab behave according to expectations. It didn’t burn in the atmosphere as fast as expected and the controllers lost track of the space junk. Due to a calculation error, instead of disappearing in deep waters of the southern ocean, Skylab landed in Western Australia.

Pieces of the station were found scattered between the towns of Esperance and Rawlinna near Perth. Residents reported seeing colorful fireworks as the station broke up in the atmosphere and hearing a rumbling sound. One of the villages fined NASA $ 400 for littering. The reward promised by the San Francisco Examiner went to then 17 year old Stan Thornton who found 24 pieces of Skylab in the garden of a family house in Esperance.

Almost 35 years after Skylab’s reentry, the issue of space debris is becoming more and more pressing. One day, the scientific community will have to figure out how to safely deorbit the International Space Station which is much more voluminous than Skylab used to be.

http://www.spacesafetymagazine.com/space-exploration/skylab/unpredictable-skylab/
 
Am amazed despite barred from space program with the west and iss and all the discriminative restrictions u guys still did manned unmanned flights, manned unmanned docking/undocking, having tiangong 2 spacelab.

Unlike US pet crybaby so slow even when given special treatment.

Do take the lead in having a moon base, learn from the exp and marsbase
 
The space station has never passed over India. So, no s*** is involved!



Just a monthly trade surplus with India would cover any damage.


An embargo on Chinese shit products would surely help

Am amazed despite barred from space program with the west and iss and all the discriminative restrictions u guys still did manned unmanned flights, manned unmanned docking/undocking, having tiangong 2 spacelab.

Unlike US pet crybaby so slow even when given special treatment.

Do take the lead in having a moon base, learn from the exp and marsbase


And don't forget all the assistance from Russia, employing 1000's of Russian scientists from the former USSR and massive theft of information....really incredible
 
An embargo on Chinese shit products would surely help



And don't forget all the assistance from Russia, employing 1000's of Russian scientists from the former USSR and massive theft of information....really incredible

Am aware russland helped at the beginning but its only one country. Logically china being isolated in space programs should have accomplished less compared to indian but not.

Anyone can say boycott their products but none have the same manufacturing prowess, efficiency and discipline to pull it off.
 
Am aware russland helped at the beginning but its only one country. Logically china being isolated in space programs should have accomplished less compares to indian but not.

Anyone can say boycott their products but none have the same manufacturing prowess, efficiency and discipline to pull it off.

Sure....but you are overlooking the problems that India had to deal with for decades. India was pretty much in the same boat as China. In fact, I think it was worse. Our biggest enemy was a major corrupt political party that was the biggest hurdle that hindered speedy India's progress. Also, our alignment with Soviet camp (suposedly given no choice) was a factor that narrowed cooperation with the West.


Also, many former Russian scientists did not come back. Instead, they chose to settle there. Their expertise and knowledge can never be underestimated.


I agree their manufacturing capability is great but not the issue at hand. Plus, many nations can pull it off, but the main stumbling factor is scale of economics. On top of that, you are comparing a state supporting state corporations versus capitalism....
 
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Sure....but you are overlooking the problems that India had to deal with for decades. India was pretty much in the same boat as China. In fact, I think it was worse. Our biggest enemy was a major corrupt political party that was the biggest hurdle that hindered speedy India's progress


Also, many former Russian scientists did not come back. Instead, they chose to settle there. Their expertise and knowledge can never be underestimated.


I agree their manufacturing capability is great but not the issue at hand. Plus, many nations can pull it off, but the main stumbling factor is scale of economics. On top of that, you are comparing a state supporting state corporations versus capitalism....

True corruption is a major bane to development but both india and china have a high degree of it however china clamped down on corruption.

Both started at the same level, but india had an upper hand due to brits imparting english the language of commerce/international and railroads. China dont hence y now they hire english teachers by the truckloads.

I dont underestimate russian space tech i see them as equal to that of us and other west countries.
 
If it falls in India theres a good chance it will land on shit.

I hope it wont though otherwise the fragments will be scavenged and incorporated into slum building material. That would be an undignified end to Tiangong 1.

Indeed. The chances to land on a decently clean place is quite nil.

An embargo on Chinese shit products would surely help

Anything from a falling space debris to made in China products Indians buy in millions remind you of one, and only one, thing, right?

Is it because your culture and daily existence revolve around that particular thing that most of your countrymen drop around liberally?
 
Chinese astronaut Yang Liwei among first UNESCO Space Science Medal winners
Source: Xinhua| 2017-10-29 00:03:45|Editor: yan



PARIS, Oct. 28 (Xinhua) -- The United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO) has awarded the UNESCO Medal on Space Science to first Chinese national sent to space, Yang Liwei, and three other prominent international space practitioners during the first edition of the award ceremony.

The ceremony was held on Friday evening at UNESCO's Headquarters in Paris.

The three other scientific laureates of the 2017 edition are Valentina Tereshkova, the Russian cosmonaut and first woman in space, Arnaldo Tamayo Mendez, the first Cuban in space, and Japanese astronaut Koichi Wakata, the first Japanese commander of International Space Station (ISS).

"I thank you all for your courage and commitment," said Director-General of UNESCO, Irina Bokova, to the laureates. "And I end with an appeal, for you to continue on your scientific journey, and also to return to UNESCO as often as possible, to reach out to younger generations, to share UNESCO's message to build peace in the minds of men and women."

Unable to attend the ceremony himself, Yang Liwei was represented by Shen Yang, Ambassador and Permanent Delegate of the People's Republic of China to UNESCO at the ceremony.

In a message delivered by Shen on his behalf, Yang Liwei recalled October 2003 when the world witnessed the success of China's first manned space mission that opened a new era of China's manned space program and made contributions to the human exploration into the unknown.

The Chinese astronaut noted that out of China's collaboration with the United Nations, a UN flag boarded the Shenzhou 5 aircraft during the 2003 space mission, a sign that has shown Chinese people's willingness to use the outer space for peaceful purposes and in the benefit of all mankind and demonstrated China's support to the UN's mission and principles.

"In the future, we are willing to work together with all countries and regions that are committed to the peaceful use of outer space, with an aim to contribute more to the promotion of scientific progress and peace and development of the world," he said.

The UNESCO Medal on Space Science, established on June 29, 2017 is awarded by the UNESCO director-general to honor prominent scientists, public figures and organizations for their contributions to the development of space science in the spirit of UNESCO's priorities.

The awardees were nominated and subsequently selected by an external committee entitled by the International Commission for the Creation of the UNESCO/Encyclopedia of Life Support (EOLSS) "Space Science".
 
I have. Your comment revealed -- to me -- that you do not know what you are talking about as far as APPLIED TECHNOLOGY.

He -- Mr. @SOUTHie -- spanked YOU. :lol:

By the time any technology is available for mass production and consumption, it is borderline obsolete. In military and space applications, vehicles are often away from supporting infrastructures and must rely on the current crew for maintenance, therefore, you want obsolete -- read PROVEN -- technology.

When your space probe is billions of miles ( or kilometers ) from home, you want technology the civilian sector suffered its teething pains and corrected the flaws.

Have you ever been inside a main battle tank ( MBT ) ? Am willing to guess -- NOT. Your scary forum handle do not impress me, son. When I was on the F-111, which was 1950s technology, and on the F-16, which was 1960s technology, their outdatedness were evident. And yet, each was something your China could not produce at that time.
so you singa could?!

Sure....but you are overlooking the problems that India had to deal with for decades. India was pretty much in the same boat as China. In fact, I think it was worse. Our biggest enemy was a major corrupt political party that was the biggest hurdle that hindered speedy India's progress. Also, our alignment with Soviet camp (suposedly given no choice) was a factor that narrowed cooperation with the West.


Also, many former Russian scientists did not come back. Instead, they chose to settle there. Their expertise and knowledge can never be underestimated.


I agree their manufacturing capability is great but not the issue at hand. Plus, many nations can pull it off, but the main stumbling factor is scale of economics. On top of that, you are comparing a state supporting state corporations versus capitalism....
oh CHINA is definitely capitalism country trust me!
 
China’s upcoming missions according to its 5-Year Plan & Space White Paper
By Deyana Goh
October 29, 2017

The Communist Party of China’s (CPC) 19th Party Congress ended last Tuesday, presenting China with new political leadership, and a new political theory known as the ‘Xi Jinping Thought on Socialism with Chinese Characteristics for a New Era’.

Although not much was said specifically about the space industry during the Congress, it seems space will remain an important part of President Xi’s plan to make China an ‘earthly paradise’ by 2050. A few brief mentions were made about it during a press conference held on October 18. For example, astronaut Jing Haipeng described China’s planned space station ‘a glorious mission’, according to the People’s Daily. The same party-owned website quoted other delegates as declaring that China will conduct an average of 30 launches per year by 2020, and overtake the US in some ‘key aerospace projects’ by 2045.

Now that the Congress is over, we’re recapping some of China’s major space goals as outlined in China’s 13th Five-Year Plan (2016-2020), which was elaborated on in the White Paper on China’s Space Activities in 2016.

Launch Vehicles

In the Five-Year Plan, the aerospace industry is labelled a ‘strategic emerging industry’, along with oceanography, information networks, life sciences and nuclear technology.

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Five-Year Plan, page 63

The White Paper elaborates on this, saying China’s space programme will first work on “high-thrust liquid oxygen and kerosene engines, and oxygen and hydrogen engines,” for heavy-lift launch vehicles. Although no exact vehicle is named, it is presumed that China’s next-generation heavy-lift rocket will be the Long March 9, currently under development and planned for launch in 2025. The rocket will be able to take 140,000kg to Low Earth Orbit (LEO) and 50,000kg to Lunar Transfer Orbit (LTO).

Additionally, the White Paper also states that China is developing non-toxic and pollution-free medium-lift launch vehicles, probably to coincide with the CPC’s general aim of reducing pollution. There is also a mention of developing small, reusable launch vehicles; although China’s space programme has so far not announced developments in reusability, a China-based NewSpace company, Link Space, has been making progress in this area.

Satellites for Remote Sensing, Communications, and Navigation

Another aspect of the space industry highlighted in the Five-Year Plan is the use of satellites for remote sensing/Earth Observation, communications and navigation, along with the ground-based infrastructure needed to support large constellations.

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Five-Year Plan, p 67

The White Paper bolsters this by adding that China plans develop BeiDou “to start providing basic services to countries along the Silk Road Economic Belt and 21st-century Maritime Silk Road in 2018, form a network consisting of 35 satellites for global services by 2020”. In 2016, three BeiDou satellites were launched. So far this year, none have been launched, although China recently announced the launch of another three BeiDou satellites in November 2017.

Manned Missions, Deep Space Exploration & Quantum Experiments

So far, China’s manned spaceflight, exploration missions and quantum experiments have attracted much global attention; these are also highlighted in the Five-Year Plan, as part of the country’s drive towards greater technological innovation and discoveries in frontier science.

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Five-Year Plan, page 25

So far, 2017 has seen China make great progress in these areas – the country’s Micius satellite, launched in 2016, has successfully conducted quantum entanglement and established a 2000km quantum communication link between Beijing and Austria. Also this year, China’s first cargo spacecraft Tianzhou-1 completed automated docking and refueling with its Tiangong-2 space lab, showing the country’s progress in running its own space station.

The White Paper mentions these activities, as well as describes China’s deep space exploration missions in greater detail. Two missions, in particular, are highlighted – (a) its moon mission comprising the Chang’e 5 lunar probe (slated to launch early to mid-2018, pushed back from end 2017) and the Chang’e 4 probe (slated to launch late 2018), which will make mankind’s first soft landing on the far side of the moon, and (b) its first Mars mission, scheduled for 2020, comprising an orbiter, lander and rover.

Frontier fields and space experiments

Although the Five-Year Plan does not specifically mention the types of frontier fields and experiments conducted in space, the White Paper describes several projects China has been publicizing lately. These include research into dark matter, which the White Paper specifies as being a “hard X-ray modulation telescope”. The telescope, known as HXMT, was launched on June 15, 2017.

Other specifics mentioned in the White Paper include the Shijian-10 recoverable satellite, which carried experiments in microgravity and space life science, and which returned to Earth in 2016. However, another experimental satellite, the Shijian-18, was lost in July this year due to a Long March-5 failure, causing a significant setback to China’s experimental satellite programme.

Conclusion

In 2018, China’s space highlights will probably be the Chang’e 5, postponed from this year, and possibly the Chang’e 4, originally scheduled for late 2018. Next year will also see the second launch of the failed Shijian-18, and CFOSAT, a remote sensing satellite developed jointly by France and China. The next great leap forward for China’s space program will probably occur in 2020, if it succeeds in accomplishing three major tasks – a mission to Mars, completion of a space station, and in-orbit testing of a space-based solar power system that can beam energy back to Earth.

References:

1. The 13th Five-Year Plan (http://en.ndrc.gov.cn/newsrelease/20161/P020161207645765233498.pdf)

2. China’s Space Activities in 2016 (http://www.scio.gov.cn/zxbd/wz/Document/1537091/1537091.htm)



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