CHINA OBOR + VISION 2030= SAUDI CHINESE BROTHERHOOD NOW JOINT investors of OBor including cpec

[war&peace]

yup but we are not distancing from USA
https://www.dawn.com/news/1353723/pakistan-sets-terms-for-help-in-anti-terror-fight

Distancing does not mean no relations at all rather it means Pakistan makes its policy as per its own national interests and does not accept any dictation from any power.
If good relations with KSA and Iran are in Pakistan's interest then Pakistan should not care about what uncle or aunty Sam has to say about it. Nor should Pakistan severe its ties with KSA and GCC for the sake of Iran.

 

[jacklord]

there is no mention of pakistan or cpec?


obor is a huge project connecting continents . cpec is just one part of it . they are working through obor and cpec has nothing to do with all this . sometimes the mentality of my country men like you really make me sick , are we just to build and secure projects for other countries who would take billions and trillions o dollars . what about us ??

is cpec vision of China or Pakistan? Can Pakistan afford such projects on its own do you think Pakistan is so financially powerful to invest in cpec?

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Good thing as I can see is by Saudia joining is other muslim country will also join ofcourse, if OBOR AND CPEC offers them benefit. But what I would really like to have Iran and Pakistan oil pipeline all the way to China so that Pakistan can collect money through that Pipeline from Iran and Iran can also get huge trade. Win Win situation for both.

If Iran and Pakistan can reach agreement and extend CPEC to Iran and Middle east, and this will not only a CPEC, it will be a Muslim corridor, not only it will empower Pakistan geo-politically in this region but a deterrence against India, Pakistan shall be also the one to rip a greatest benefit: collecting transit fee, access cheap oil and gas via pipeline to Kashgar, Afghnistan will need Pakistan Gwadar port to export their minerals, central asia sea link via Pakistan.

it took Chinese two to three generations of hard work to get what we're today, the most important is if our Pakistani friends have fate over CPEC, sure for the first few years you might not get expected the miracle but once the foundation is been lay then you can star to collect the fruit of your labor.

 

[war&peace]

there is no mention of pakistan or cpec?


obor is a huge project connecting continents . cpec is just one part of it . they are working through obor and cpec has nothing to do with all this . sometimes the mentality of my country men like you really make me sick , are we just to build and secure projects for other countries who would take billions and trillions o dollars . what about us ??

Ever heard a thing called map? just have a keen look on the damn thing and even a dumb person will get what part of OBOR the author is referring to.
Furthermore, your constant illogical rants against CPEC are giving us clues about you.

 

[FuturePAF]

If This is true, Saudia Should use its influence to tell the US to back down and work with Pakistan to resolve outstanding issues for the benefit of OBOR/CPEC/Saudi Vision 2030, Pakistan, America, and Afghanistan; (1. Accept the Durrand Line, but allow All Pasthuns easy passage between both nations, 2. Bring back the Afghan Monarchy as it is the only legitimate national government that all parties will accept, 3. Allow Cities and Countryside in Afghanistan to be governed by different Laws, as Pakistan has done with the tribal areas and the major cities, 4. An integrate Afghanistan into the economic opportunities with its neighbors)

Also Saudi Should negotiate with Oman to allow Saudi Arabia to lay Oil and Gas Pipelines from Saudi Arabia through Oman and under the Arabian Sea to Gwadar (Saudi Oil will be safely avoiding the straits of Hormuz). Pakistan can then Pipe it through to China. Also If Saudi Arabia Funds the Pakistan Flood Control Plan (actually presented to WAPDA 10 years ago); it will open up 30 million more acre of Arable land in Pakistan; and solve the Food Needs of the Gulf Nations.

https://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthread.php?49824-Pakistan-Flood-Control-System-(PFCS)

Saudi Arabia should also try to mediate the Kashmir Crisis. Even if the end result is an independent Kashmir Valley and Azad Kashmir (not Gilgit Baltistan) as a buffer nation between Pakistan and India; it will end the the wasteful build up of arms between India and Pakistan and lead to a dramatic economically prosperous region in South Asia (while also saving face for India and Pakistan; as they get to keep Jammu/Ladakh and Gilgit/Baltistan Respectfully)

A Prosperous Pakistan with Saudi Investments will pay off for both nations (as long as Pakistani officials negotiate a fair deal on everything with the Chinese and the Saudis; looking out for the interests of all Pakistanis first)

 

[Meengla]

If This is true, Saudia Should use its influence to tell the US to back down and work with Pakistan to resolve outstanding issues for the benefit of OBOR/CPEC/Saudi Vision 2030, Pakistan, America, and Afghanistan; (1. Accept the Durrand Line, but allow All Pasthuns easy passage between both nations, 2. Bring back the Afghan Monarchy as it is the only legitimate national government that all parties will accept, 3. Allow Cities and Countryside in Afghanistan to be governed by different Laws, as Pakistan has done with the tribal areas and the major cities, 4. An integrate Afghanistan into the economic opportunities with its neighbors)

Also Saudi Should negotiate with Oman to allow Saudi Arabia to lay Oil and Gas Pipelines from Saudi Arabia through Oman and under the Arabian Sea to Gwadar (Saudi Oil will be safely avoiding the straits of Hormuz). Pakistan can then Pipe it through to China. Also If Saudi Arabia Funds the Pakistan Flood Control Plan (actually presented to WAPDA 10 years ago); it will open up 30 million more acre of Arable land in Pakistan; and solve the Food Needs of the Gulf Nations.

https://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthread.php?49824-Pakistan-Flood-Control-System-(PFCS)

Saudi Arabia should also try to mediate the Kashmir Crisis. Even if the end result is an independent Kashmir Valley and Azad Kashmir (not Gilgit Baltistan) as a buffer nation between Pakistan and India; it will end the the wasteful build up of arms between India and Pakistan and lead to a dramatic economically prosperous region in South Asia (while also saving face for India and Pakistan; as they get to keep Jammu/Ladakh and Gilgit/Baltistan Respectfully)

A Prosperous Pakistan with Saudi Investments will pay off for both nations (as long as Pakistani officials negotiate a fair deal on everything with the Chinese and the Saudis; looking out for the interests of all Pakistanis first)

I think there's some long term pragmatic vision!

 

[AZ1]

Cpec is part of obor


I see this statement so many times USA losing war in Iraq USA losing war is Syria USA losing war in Afghanistan where is factual proof for these claims made by some Pakistanis.

16 years have been past in afghan. You are telling me to give u proof which is obivious now. US is worried now, 60% already taken by taliban in afghan. After spending trillions. Syria war is not afghan war and u know iy very well.

 

[Pakistansdefender]

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Ever heard a thing called map? just have a keen look on the damn thing and even a dumb person will get what part of OBOR the author is referring to.
Furthermore, your constant illogical rants against CPEC are giving us clues about you.

Hey I have heard of a thing called map, maybe you have not seen it in your life or maybe eyesight problem.
One thing is that China is carrying out many projects under obor (one belt one road) . Cpec is a component of it . Now train connecting China through central asia to England and Europe, it is part of obor, but does it has anything to do with pakistan. Similarly China is making another corridor using Bangladesh, mayanmaar, Sri Lanka etc, do we have to do anything with it. China is investing billions and billions in Africa, does it has to do anything with cpec???
Similarly China was investing in middle east and saudia Arabia, it would be in different projects or other things. It has nothing to do with cpec. They never even mentioned they wanted to be connected through cpec. If they wanted China to make trains. Invest in Saudi infrastructure or other , my sweet naive child, they don't need cpec for that.
Cpec does not connect the world now.. On start it would connect China and pakistan. After that it is pakistani dream to connect c.a.r.s (central Asian republics ) to gawader. This is totally dependent on afghanistan. They would never ever allow you. They hate us. Their hate has no bounds. It would be some dream Senerio. We are not even able to start our corridor between turkey and Pakistan. There are 2 reasons. Lack of will from Pakistani side and security situation.


Second thing is cpec is not the solution to all of pakistan's problem. It is a way forward yes, and I simply hoped that people in power would see it safely through. We must take into the account that we are not reduced to sit back and allow everyone to make expensive projects and earn from us.
Pakistani are one of the richest people in the world and they are the most clever. More focus should be on joint venture with Chinese. We should learn from them. Not just simply give them everything. There must be strict quality control checks and rates check.
Everyone comes for profit, that's how world works, Chinese have money , they want to invest to earn not for charity. Even if we invest in any other country, it would be to earn not for charity. We must be careful that those who carryout this project won't take kicks backs and all.
Lastly this mentally of give all projects to Chinese, Americans, Russians, Saudis. This is a low class mentality. People cannot decide which color underwear they should buy, come here and claim to be all Knowing.
Pakistan should learn from other countries and try to make our own too. We have intelligent people. We have ability, all we lack is good leadership..

As for my loyalty, I am quite old member now, people here know me, though I am silent most of the time.
The thing is we have to be critical about ourselves. We have to analyze things from every angle. Pakistan is not just any countries, pakistan are destined to shine. They cannot keep quiet.

 

[war&peace]

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Hey I have heard of a thing called map, maybe you have not seen it in your life or maybe eyesight problem.
One thing is that China is carrying out many projects under obor (one belt one road) . Cpec is a component of it . Now train connecting China through central asia to England and Europe, it is part of obor, but does it has anything to do with pakistan. Similarly China is making another corridor using Bangladesh, mayanmaar, Sri Lanka etc, do we have to do anything with it. China is investing billions and billions in Africa, does it has to do anything with cpec???
Similarly China was investing in middle east and saudia Arabia, it would be in different projects or other things. It has nothing to do with cpec. They never even mentioned they wanted to be connected through cpec. If they wanted China to make trains. Invest in Saudi infrastructure or other , my sweet naive child, they don't need cpec for that.
Cpec does not connect the world now.. On start it would connect China and pakistan. After that it is pakistani dream to connect c.a.r.s (central Asian republics ) to gawader. This is totally dependent on afghanistan. They would never ever allow you. They hate us. Their hate has no bounds. It would be some dream Senerio. We are not even able to start our corridor between turkey and Pakistan. There are 2 reasons. Lack of will from Pakistani side and security situation.


Second thing is cpec is not the solution to all of pakistan's problem. It is a way forward yes, and I simply hoped that people in power would see it safely through. We must take into the account that we are not reduced to sit back and allow everyone to make expensive projects and earn from us.
Pakistani are one of the richest people in the world and they are the most clever. More focus should be on joint venture with Chinese. We should learn from them. Not just simply give them everything. There must be strict quality control checks and rates check.
Everyone comes for profit, that's how world works, Chinese have money , they want to invest to earn not for charity. Even if we invest in any other country, it would be to earn not for charity. We must be careful that those who carryout this project won't take kicks backs and all.
Lastly this mentally of give all projects to Chinese, Americans, Russians, Saudis. This is a low class mentality. People cannot decide which color underwear they should buy, come here and claim to be all Knowing.
Pakistan should learn from other countries and try to make our own too. We have intelligent people. We have ability, all we lack is good leadership..

As for my loyalty, I am quite old member now, people here know me, though I am silent most of the time.
The thing is we have to be critical about ourselves. We have to analyze things from every angle. Pakistan is not just any countries, pakistan are destined to shine. They cannot keep quiet.

You should use a map. If you look at it everything will become clear instead of wasting the precious time of this forum and sorry I don't do baby sitting and spoon feeding.. Uncle Google is your friend.

 

[Pakistansdefender]

You should use a map. If you look at it everything will become clear instead of wasting the precious time of this forum and sorry I don't do baby sitting and spoon feeding.. Uncle Google is your friend.

Lol you should start talking with logic. People might take you more seriously.
You might try to read the novel you name yourself after, or you just chose it randomly and don't know about it maybe.
You cannot do baby sitting and spoon feeding, you yourself are a teeny tiny little baby yourself, we don't expect you to do big task....

 

[war&peace]

Lol you should start talking with logic. People might take you more seriously.
You might try to read the novel you name yourself after, or you just chose it randomly and don't know about it maybe.
You cannot do baby sitting and spoon feeding, you yourself are a teeny tiny little baby yourself, we don't expect you to do big task....

Just use map. instead of coming with such ridiculous and funny replies . You're not making me angry but laugh. All I told you was to use the maps and the most common app is the google maps.

Okay!!! here I do some spoon feeding for you but please don't vomit baby ...okay it is like banana meshed in baby milk... just click it and it will open the world of endless adventure for you. You can easily see which routes are the shortest, economical and safe.

www.google.com/maps
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Here is a video tutorial for you how to use the google maps.

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[Pakistansdefender]

Just use map. instead of coming with such ridiculous and funny replies . You're not making me angry but laugh. All I told you was to use the maps and the most common app is the google maps.

Okay!!! here I do some spoon feeding for you but please don't vomit baby ...okay it is like banana meshed in baby milk... just click it and it will open the world of endless adventure for you. You can easily see which routes are the shortest, economical and safe.

www.google.com/maps
​

Here is a video tutorial for you how to use the google maps.

​

Sighhhhh...

 

[war&peace]

Sighhhhh...

Okay!!! let me guess what's the problem now...may be it was not meshed properly..

You can easily see which routes are the shortest, economical and safe.

Oh I got it. I used the word route but you can read it as OBOR and when you will do that and use the maps (pleaseee )... you will see that CPEC is the most optimal and natural option.

 

[Cybernetics]

Looks like the components are coming together to form the grand vision. This reminds me of what some PLA hawks were envisioning more than a decade back. Foreseeing a possible war initiated by the US against China around 2030 they sought to make the costs of war for America to be too high to be fought, so stability can be maintained until the grand rejuvenation. The theory goes: China will not initiate war with America but if America initiate war with China, America will be faced with 3 major enemies that it cannot defeat and would be left "crippled" as a result. These enemies are China, Russia, and Unified Islamic Front.

Right now the Islamic world is not unified but embroiled in internal conflict, occupation, and proxy wars. The hope China has is to see an Islamic world with more common interests by integrating its major countries.

CPEC is different from other investment packages China does overseas. The difference is that CPEC has a heavy geo-strategic component to it. China views Pakistan as a vital country to its security. CPEC Investment serves 2 major goals for China:
1. Resolve the Malacca dilemma. CPEC reduces the risk of war by changing the calculations China's adversaries will make. In case of conflict China can still trade goods like oil, iron ore, industrial products, etc.
2. Build up Pakistan's industry to become a major hub in the Islamic World. Maintain friendly relations with the Islamic world through good relations with Pakistan.

To the hawks, China is a surrounded country with few dependable allies. The only dependable nation in their view is Pakistan. The hawks are also critical of China's old trade policy, it trades with everyone, friend or foe. This causes regional countries of importance to the US to become more hostile to China because they know they can get economic benefits out of China while opposing China on the security front. The new stance is to reward dependable allies and "punish" those who work against China's interests, so that it changes other country's calculations.

Projects like CPEC and Chabahar Port by India and Iran are good signs the region is developing in the right direction.

 

[Pakistansdefender]

Okay!!! let me guess what's the problem now...may be it was not meshed properly..



Oh I got it. I used the word route but you can read it as OBOR and when you will do that and use the maps (pleaseee )... you will see that CPEC is the most optimal and natural option.

It can be shortest route , but it does not mentioned cpec anywhere. Not all projects are trade related. In your mind you have formed this kind of an idea where good are shipped throughout the world through Pakistan. Pakistan is at great strategic position, no doubt . But obor not only meant trade and all. It also includes infrastructure development, development in other field too.
How much Chinese are going to use gawader, the answer is very little. It might pay off later. But the huge money Chinese would make on infrastructure hungry Pakistan. Where provinces are fighting for more and more projects . It is high time for them to invest and make huge profit. No one else is in competition in Pakistan . So they can take huge profits.