China may export J-10B fighters with Russian AL31FN-S3 engines to Pakistan

[Muhammad Omar]

What additional features does J 10 offer in excess of JF 17?

May be little bit of more weight carrying. what else?

compare it

J-10


* Crew: 1 (basic), 2 (trainer variant)
* Length: 15.5 m (50 ft 10 in)
* Wingspan: 9.7 m (31 ft 10 in)
* Height: 4.78 m (15.7 ft)
* Wing area: 39 m² (419.8 ft²)
* Empty weight: 8,000–9,730 kg (17,637–21,451 lb)
* Loaded weight: 18,500 kg (40,785 lb )
* Useful load: 5,500 kg (9,920 lb)
* Max takeoff weight: 19,277 kg (42,500 lb)
* Powerplant: 1× Saturn-Lyulka AL-31FN or Woshan WS-10A "Taihang" turbofan
o Dry thrust: 79.43 kN / 89.17 kN (17,860 lbf / 20,050 lbf)
o Thrust with afterburner: 122.5 kN / 129.4 kN (27,557 lbf / 29,101 lbf)

Performance

* Maximum speed: Mach 2.2 at altitude, Mach 1.2 at sea level
* g-limits: +9/-3 g (+88/-29 m/s², +290/-97 ft/s²)
* Combat radius:
o On hi-lo-hi mission: 2,540 km (1,370 nautical miles) with 4,000lb/1,814kg bombload and two air-to-air missiles
o On lo-lo-lo mission: 1,310 km (710 nautical miles with 4,000lb/1,814kg bombload and two air-to-air missiles
* Maximum range (without refueling): 3,400 km (2,113 mi) ()
* Service ceiling: 20,000 m (65,600 ft[5])
* Wing loading: 335 kg/m² (64 lb/ft²)
* Minimum thrust/weight: 0.98


JF-17

The PAC JF-17 Thunder (Urdu: تھنڈر), also known in China as the Chengdu FC-1 Fierce Dragon (Chinese: 枭龙; pinyin: Xiāo Lóng),[1] is a light-weight multi-role combat aircraft jointly developed by Chengdu Aircraft Corporation of China and Pakistan Aeronautical Complex of Pakistan. The "JF" and "FC" designations stand for "Joint Fighter" and "Fighter China" respectively.

* Crew: 1 (2 for proposed twin-seater)
* Length: 14.0 m [44] (45.9 ft)
* Wingspan: 9.45 m [44] (31 ft)
* Height: 4.77 m (15 ft 8 in)
* Wing area: 24.4 m² [44] (263 ft²)
* Empty weight: 6,411 kg [45] (14,134 lb)
* Loaded weight: 9,100 kg including 2× wing-tip mounted air-to-air missiles [46] [47] (20,062 lb)
* Max takeoff weight: 12,700 kg [46] (28,000 lb)
* Powerplant: 1× Klimov RD-93 turbofan [48]
o Dry thrust: 49.4 kN [49] [50] (11,106 lbf)
o Thrust with afterburner: 84.4 kN [51] [52] (18,973 lbf)
* G-limit: +8.5 g [16]
* Internal Fuel Capacity: 2300 kg (5,130 lb) [53]

Performance

* Maximum speed: Mach 1.8 [54] [55]
* Combat radius: 1,352 km [56] (840 mi)
* Ferry range: 3,000 km [57] [58] (2,175 mi)
* Service ceiling: 16,700 m [59] (54,790 ft)
* Thrust/weight: 0.99 [60] [61]

 

[nana41]

with diet coke make it large please .
money is no issue just like 100 J-10s

Chotay Bhai Irfan
Be very careful of this Coak otherwise you might end up with a chopper(upper part) like i have.Wishing you
best of every thing in life.

with diet coke make it large please .
money is no issue just like 100 J-10s


they are simply SU-27 Su-30 clones with some Chinese equipment they are as good as any other Chinese product in the modern times like J-10

IRFAN BHAIYA
STOP drinking coke,otherwise you will end up with upper denture 10 years before i did.KHUSH RAHO.

 

[OTTOMAN]

We would I am dam sure about it

depends... if Zardari got re-elected, than there is huge chance, otherwise not.

 

[Blue Marlin]

not really par just ordered 50 jf-17s so 36 j10b's may be possible

 

[rockstar08]

They will make 250 JF that's for sure

hopefully they make it before 2050
cause with this speed , i guess the time frame will exceed to 2050

 

[Zarvan]

depends... if Zardari got re-elected, than there is huge chance, otherwise not.

No under him their is no chance of any weapon. J-10 B are must they will come.

 

[tarrar]

Replacing old mirages with J10B will be good. Like that paf will have a brand new fighter jet. I hope paf goes for j10b.

 

[Muhammad Omar]

hopefully they make it before 2050
cause with this speed , i guess the time frame will exceed to 2050

Nope 250 jf will come much earlier

 

[Mughal-Prince]

This might be a stupid question.

But can't we ask UAE to sell their block 60s to us onnce they start induction of Rafael's.?

I don't expect this from you.

Block 60s are one of the most sophisticated and latest F-16 series and they been inducted a few years earlier even the AESA which is mounted at those was been funded by UAE for research and development and you are saying they will sold them to us. Even uncle sam will never allow them to let that tech into over hand and by the way I still remember it has been assured that no PAF or Pakistani pilots who are deputed or working for UAE-AF will not be allowed at those aircrafts though I don't know the current situation but I believe it is not changed. I also heard that those been flown for UAE-AF by USAF pilots deputed or providing services like we does.

Did you know that how much of the one quid cost them ?? Approx 110 Million of their US$s. And thats seriously expensive affair.

For person of knowledge like you, thats indeed a stupid question.

 

[kaonalpha]

I don't expect this from you.

Block 60s are one of the most sophisticated and latest F-16 series and they been inducted a few years earlier even the AESA which is mounted at those was been funded by UAE for research and development and you are saying they will sold them to us. Even uncle sam will never allow them to let that tech into over hand and by the way I still remember it has been assured that no PAF or Pakistani pilots who are deputed or working for UAE-AF will not be allowed at those aircrafts though I don't know the current situation but I believe it is not changed. I also heard that those been flown for UAE-AF by USAF pilots deputed or providing services like we does.

Did you know that how much of the one quid cost them ?? Approx 110 Million of their US$s. And thats seriously expensive affair.

For person of knowledge like you, thats indeed a stupid question.

Hey I'm only human.

 

[Mughal-Prince]

Hey I'm only human.

Indeed not a Martian

 

[Foxtrot-Bravo]

Sir, You are correct but the thing is they are going to have sanctions where as any thing that comes from China would be free...


Do understand that USA is not going to give any technology that exceeds the ones that is in use today in USA. The F-16blk 60 are the most advance F-16's built to date. They have systems that supersede the current systems on US Air force F-16's. If you do some research you are going to find news regarding an attack by UAE Air Force on Libya where the Libians claimed the aircraft were UAE's but the US said they did not see them though they had all the equipment to identify..

The engines that are heading to India for Su30-MKIs are from Ukraine...Hence Russia is in odds in this regards. The sale of Russian engines directly for JF-17's was the first step in getting improvement rights...

Now PAF are going to get the J-10B hence they require an engine with it...If Russia is not going to give the engine then Belarus is offering the same engine.

Roger, Got it.

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

@kaonalpha
This was posted earlier in the thread which you might have missed.

Do understand that USA is not going to give any technology that exceeds the ones that is in use today in USA. The F-16blk 60 are the most advance F-16's built to date. They have systems that supersede the current systems on US Air force F-16's. If you do some research you are going to find news regarding an attack by UAE Air Force on Libya where the Libians claimed the aircraft were UAE's but the US said they did not see them though they had all the equipment to identify..

 

[MastanKhan]

China may export its J-10B fighter equipped with the Russian-built AL31FN-S3 engine to Pakistan and other potential buyers from Asia, Latin America and Africa in the near future, writes the Kanwa Defense Review, a Chinese-language military magazine based in Canada.

Chengdu Aircraft Industry Group last year began the mass production of the J-10B fighters. A total of 14 of the jets have already been painted with PLA Air Force markings and turned over to the military while at least 10 aircraft are undergoing test flights. Kanwa said the PLA Air Force will eventually commission 24 J-10Bs to form a fighter regiment before the end of the year.

Designed as the upgraded version of the J-10 fighter, the J-10B is the first domestically designed aircraft fitted with a diverterless supersonic inlet to shield the engine compressor blades from radar waves. The article also noticed that new electronic warfare systems can also been in front of the canards and atop the vertical stabilizer. With infra-red search and track sensors, the aircraft can also carry out reconnaissance operations.

Russia has agreed to sell advanced AL31FN engines to China to improve the J-10B’s power systems and the first batch of the engines is expected this year. This will increase the life of the aircraft from the J-10A’s 500 flight hours to the J-10B’s 750 hours. As China begins to introduce more Russian engines in the future, all J-10B aircraft will be fitted with the AL31FN.

Source : Want China Times

* That' s the engine, which is game changer. Same engine is used in all Russian and Chinese stealth fighters/bombers. Plus same same type used in SU30/35. Same engine is modified for TVC. If Russia approve this engine, then for sure this plane will be in Pak fleet. If PAF has no other issues.

Hi,

A month or so ago when I stated that there is good news for the air force---it was not the JF 17 BLK 3 with aesa or the J 31----it was rather the availability of J 10 B with aesa to Pakistan----.

18 aircraft were offered to Pakistan out of existing Chinese inventory----. Paf put a hold on it-----. I did not want to name it at that time.

As it is in the open now----my information says that paf may already have --- numbers in stock or it may not---.

I was wondering about the Russian engine on the aircraft---and I said to myself---maybe the Chinese engine is ready---but!!!!!

 

[Zarvan]

@kaonalpha
This was posted earlier in the thread which you might have missed.

Do understand that USA is not going to give any technology that exceeds the ones that is in use today in USA. The F-16blk 60 are the most advance F-16's built to date. They have systems that supersede the current systems on US Air force F-16's. If you do some research you are going to find news regarding an attack by UAE Air Force on Libya where the Libians claimed the aircraft were UAE's but the US said they did not see them though they had all the equipment to identify..

UAE was the one attacking Libya and they confirmed it. No J-10 B is good but three single engines I really don't like the idea for me way forward is 270 JF-17 with 100 F-16 and 100 J-11 D is the way forward.

Hi,

A month or so ago when I stated that there is good news for the air force---it was not the JF 17 BLK 3 with aesa or the J 31----it was rather the availability of J 10 B with aesa to Pakistan----.

18 aircraft were offered to Pakistan out of existing Chinese inventory----. Paf put a hold on it-----. I did not want to name it at that time.

As it is in the open now----my information says that paf may already have --- numbers in stock or it may not---.

I was wondering about the Russian engine on the aircraft---and I said to myself---maybe the Chinese engine is ready---but!!!!!

You are saying 18 J-10 B may have already arrived in Pakistan ? @MastanKhan