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'China Max': How Demography, Economics, And Geography Will Combine To Limit China's Growing Power

Under the status quo, the output of AI will go to the elites. If the entire production process is automated, there wont be any need for labor.

The outcome will be a massive culling of unwanted peasants to conserve earth resource, and for environment protection.
The problem is to maintain that output, you need consumers to have purchasing power. It automation replaces vast majority of employees, consumers will not be able to purchase the products manufactured by these robots.

We're going to be witnessing the greatest societal transformation in human history within the next 30 years.
 
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You guys forgot one important factor: the CCP's powerful population control capability.
 
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The problem is to maintain that output, you need consumers to have purchasing power. It automation replaces vast majority of employees, consumers will not be able to purchase the products manufactured by these robots.

We're going to be witnessing the greatest societal transformation in human history within the next 30 years.

We are right under the context of capitalism. 100% automation will result to decimation of labor, under capitalism.

In theory, China turn to capitalism as a bridge to socialism (社会主义初级阶段 是资本主义) not as the end.

If Chinese elites go back to Maoism, she will create an heaven for human being. A world where workers merely work for 1 hour due to the fruits of automation.
 
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Donald Trump doesn't trust CNN even it is still an American company. What's your point?

Ouch! Be a little gentle. The Americans believe in alternative facts, remember?

IF China can utilize robotics, smart manufacturing, and AI fast, and train their people with S&T and business skill, the limitation by the demographic could be handled well.

The Americans are embroiled in too many conflicting situations. Both at home and abroad. They have elected a clown who will drag them into yet another war. Only a matter of time. Like so many things, this is just another feel good attempt by the Americans. The Americans fully grasp the inevitable.

China is on a whole different level. China is busy building bridges and strengthening its nation. China doesn’t seek hostility unlike the Americans. It seeks mutual benefit. America will always feel insecure in the presence of China.

We witness this insecurity on a daily basis both on the world stage and on this forum. America is obsessed with China like so many other things. The desperation speaks volume.
 
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The problem is to maintain that output, you need consumers to have purchasing power. It automation replaces vast majority of employees, consumers will not be able to purchase the products manufactured by these robots.

We're going to be witnessing the greatest societal transformation in human history within the next 30 years.


The CCP need start to train those current labour soonest with skills & competent that cannot be replaced with robot and AI, such as skills in Science and Technology (for R&D job).

When the robot and AI replace labour gradually, those competent worker could be ready as R&D staff, entrepreneur etc, that way CCP could maintain unemployment at lower rate.

Otherwise, there would be another social revolution due to explosion of unemployment and fall of purchasing power :D

China boosters and alarmists alike see China as the rising power of the twenty-first century, a country that will inexorably expand to challenge the United States and overturn the existing world order. With nearly 1.4 billion people and a rapidly growing economy, it seems like nothing could possibly stand between China and eventual global supremacy. China's economy will overtake America's in 2018, 2028, or 2032 (take your pick), with political and military preeminence sure to follow.

Cue Chinese aircraft carriers roaming the Gulf of Mexico, the SAT being offered only in Chinese, and China's Alibaba displacing Amazon as America's new internet giant. Look at the world through Chinese eyes, and you can just about imagine how it might feel. Today, American aircraft carriers do roam the South China Sea, Chinese children do have to take the SAT in English, and if Amazon doesn't dominate China's retail market, other American brands are everywhere in China.

But none of that will be changing anytime soon. In fact, as China continues to develop and mature, China's immersion in (and support for) the US-dominated world order will only increase. The reasons for this are structural and almost immutable. Demography, economics, and geography are combining to limit China's global power and tie China ever more closely to the United States.

It's the demography, stupid

Accounts of China's rise and rise rest on one simple assumption: take a population of 1.4 billion and multiply it by any GDP growth at all and you rack up some impressive figures. But China won't have 1.4 billion people forever. In fact, China's population will barely touch 1.4 billion in the 2020s before falling into steep decline.

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China's working age population will fall 5% by 2030, a decline that is inevitable because the workers of 2030 have all been born already. It is likely to fall by a further 20% by mid-century as China "gets old before it gets rich." By the end of the century China's population might fall to as low as 600 million, and will certainly be less than 1 billion. Demographic decline will soon become a serious drag on economic growth.

By contrast, the United States and its Anglo-Saxon allies (Australia, Canada, New Zealand, and the United Kingdom) are growing steadily, mainly because of immigration. Donald Trump's anti-immigration rhetoric has done nothing to staunch the flow of educated, entrepreneurial people from China and other countries. Demographically speaking, the European Union and Japan may fade away, but America and the Anglosphere are here to stay.

The Calichina economy

China says that its economy is growing at 6.7%, right on target -- as usual. All of China's economic statistics have been mysteriously right on target ever since China fired finance ministry veteran Wang Baoan as the head of the National Bureau of Statistics and replaced him with Ning Jizhe, the vice chairman of the economic planning commission. Ning is now conveniently in charge of both setting China's GDP targets and measuring its performance.

To the extent that China's economy really is hitting Ning's targets, it is entirely due to credit expansion: i.e., rising debt. That bubble may never burst, since most of China's bad loans are debts owed by state-owned enterprises to state-owned banks. Still, although China can prevent a bust, it can't expand credit forever. And as the moribund state sector soaks up more and more of the country's resources, it becomes an ever heavier drag on the rest of the economy.

The part of China's economy that really is booming is the high-tech, foreign-investment-driven private sector economy. Here the growth comes from trans-Pacific integration, not government policies. Corporate America's fanciest gadgets may be made in China, but high-tech China's economic growth is overwhelmingly made in America. In the event of any real trouble between the US and China, these crucial American investments would move elsewhere. Apple won't be making iPhones in a country at war with the United States.

The curse of the Middle Kingdom

The very word for China in Chinese, Zhongguo, means "Central State" (or "Middle Kingdom"), and China truly is the central state of East Asia. Back when East Asia was China's whole world, or tianxia, that central position was an advantage: surrounded by many smaller, weaker countries, China could consistently call the shots. But globalization has brought China into a much bigger world, one it can never hope to control.

If East Asia were the whole world, today's China could easily bully peripheral countries like Japan and South Korea into doing its bidding. But the American power standing behind these countries puts China in a much tougher neighborhood. Having Russia for a neighbor doesn't help either. China is surrounded by powerful neighbors that have even more powerful allies.

China has three nuclear-armed neighbors, with American nuclear submarines always lurking off its coasts. China also has to deal with unstable neighbors like Afghanistan, Tajikistan, and Myanmar, not to mention the crazy regime in North Korea. China may have the world's largest army, but its neighbors have the world's second, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, and ninth largest armies -- and the US is third. Centrality never looked so bad.

China Max

In 2018, we are rapidly approaching "China Max," if we haven't reached it already. In the 2020s and beyond, China will be shrinking in population, dependent on the US for economic growth, and ringed in by wary if not hostile neighbors. It will be in no shape to challenge the United States, never mind take over the world.

Chinese military planners are well-aware of this, and mostly limit their ambitions to regaining dominance of their own coastal waters. This they may achieve. But that would hardly pose a threat to the security of the United States -- or the world. China needs peace as much as the rest of us, and probably more. In 2018, let's hope they get it, and the rest of us too.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/salvat...e-to-limit-chinas-growing-power/#4c66950e6433


Sorry TS, it seems the writer forget the upcoming 4th Industrial Revolution that will make labour become irrelevant and reshape the way of economy run :lol:

IMHO, china's demography will benefit most from it :laugh: :laugh:
 
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US regime worry about your own homefront.

China is not as shortsighted as US hence automation, robotics while channeling available manpower to more value-added services.
I think US has a very bright future as blacks, Latinos and illegals population is increasing faster than white population. Racism will decline in US in the close future
 
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I think US has a very bright future as blacks, Latinos and illegals population is increasing faster than white population. Racism will decline in US in the close future

indeed, 200 million whites today, by 2050 it's 170 million but american population will increase by an additional 100 million. you guys do the math. it's good for the rest of the world as they no longer have to suffer american imperialism.
 
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Under the status quo, the output of AI will go to the elites. If the entire production process is automated, there wont be any need for labor.

The outcome will be a massive culling of unwanted peasants to conserve earth resource, and for environment protection.

During first industrial revolution, labour class appeared.
During the upcoming 4th industrial revolution, labour will disappear.

We may become socialist society where people work for government then government distribute the wealth.

The production, agriculture, and service will be run by robots and AI, hence most people doesn't need to work for private sector since they will use robots & AI. Government may impose tax on the robot & AI usage for the production.

That is my vision of the future :D
 
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