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China loses trade dispute over rare earth exports

Not sure about NK, but Afghanistan has one of world's largest lithium deposit. There are talks between Afghanistan government and China regarding to a possible deal.

If I'm not mistaken, NK has the world's largest "proven" reserves of rare minerals. One could not ignore the possibility of a propaganda by NK regime. But I would say it's probable that they night in fact possess such reserves.

@Jlsaw Is somehow right btw.
 
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This is why the Chinese are smart, they control the source where technology runs on. That is immense power.

the smart thing( although illegal if part of WTO) was getting their govt to subsidize it to such an extent they were beating everyone else on price. everyone else packed up shop and China got 90% of the market. Then they jacked up prices ...

Then crash came , slow down happened and prices went down... so they now came up with hoarding it, selling cheaper for their own industries and not producing enough on purpose for exports= prices went up by 3/4 times.

they got caught and WTO came down on them. and that is what happened
 
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China will probably appeal the ruling again and stall for more time. After that they can still get around the ruling by other ways without violating WTO rules.

The Chinese is already shutting down and consolidating their RE mines as well as cracking down on illegal ones so that they can control the production quota to just meet domestic demand...WTO can't force countries to produce more.

Another way would be for the Chinese government to step in and stockpile all the excess supply of RE for "national security" purposes. No rules in WTO forbid government stockpiling.

They could also just slap a huge environmental tax on RE across the board and then give money back to technology firms that use RE by other means like tax cuts. As long as there's no discrimination between domestic and foreign company WTO can't do anything.

The nuclear option would be to nationalize the RE industry altogether. (I believe they're already partially doing so)

In the worst case scenario they can just ignore the ruling altogether like how the US STILL have not compensated us for our softwood lumber dispute against them.
 
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What are Yanks going to do about it? Come and dig them by force......bycott the 10% REE's they are getting......stop importing electronics from China? good luck to them...... uber morons.......... sometimes these people kill me with their stupidity...... :D

The penalty for non-compliance with an WTO ruling is either paying a set sum as compensation, or a reduction in a few concessions. Neither of which are particularly problematic for us. :P

China will probably appeal the ruling again and stall for more time. After that they can still get around the ruling by other ways without violating WTO rules.

The Chinese is already shutting down and consolidating their RE mines as well as cracking down on illegal ones so that they can control the production quota to just meet domestic demand...WTO can't force countries to produce more.

Another way would be for the Chinese government to step in and stockpile all the excess supply of RE for "national security" purposes. No rules in WTO forbid government stockpiling.

They could also just slap a huge environmental tax on RE across the board and then give money back to technology firms that use RE by other means like tax cuts. As long as there's no discrimination between domestic and foreign company WTO can't do anything.

The nuclear option would be to nationalize the RE industry altogether. (I believe they're already partially doing so)

In the worst case scenario they can just ignore the ruling altogether like how the US STILL have not compensated us for our softwood lumber dispute against them.

Exactly. If the WTO ruling has a problem with some specific methods, quotas, etc. then we'll figure out a way to do it without violating those WTO rules.

In any case, our rare earth exports are going to continue decreasing. Like we said, we're trying to reduce the environmental damage from rare earth extraction.
 
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this is what china gets for supporting westerners and japan in the car recycling fee dispute against Russia, karma is a bitch
 
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The penalty for non-compliance with an WTO ruling is either paying a set sum as compensation, or a reduction in a few concessions. Neither of which are particularly problematic for us. :P



Exactly. If the WTO ruling has a problem with some specific methods, quotas, etc. then we'll figure out a way to do it without violating those WTO rules.

In any case, our rare earth exports are going to continue decreasing. Like we said, we're trying to reduce the environmental damage from rare earth extraction.

excellent :)
 
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The WTO experts here are amusing... they know the by laws and the requirements better than the experts. :lol:
 
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Please educate us all. Go ahead with legal implications of this judgement. I at least am always ready to learn from more learned members such as yourself! :pop:

The WTO experts here are amusing... they know the by laws and the requirements better than the experts. :lol:
 
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Please educate us all. Go ahead with legal implications of this judgement. I at least am always ready to learn from more learned members such as yourself! :pop:

first what you have to do is completely ignore the rubbish the chinese say here , including the so called think tanks here from their side ...( which btw is hilarious as to how many least qualified here get that designation)

The WTO is a serious organization and no country within it wants to be thrown out or mess with its final rulings.

Let me give you some background first( not the chinese bullpucky propaganda version)

How this started was their govt was subsidizing the industry-to such an extent that they were beating everyone else on price. Everyone else packed up shop and China got 90% of the market.

Then they jacked up prices on all countries ...which effected even Pakistans industries.

Then the crash came , slow down happened globally and prices went down... so they now came up with hoarding it, selling cheaper for their own industries and not producing enough on purpose for exports= prices went up by 3/4 times.

They got a complaint from US and Europe and WTO came down on them with a ruling and that is what happened

Regarding the ruling: The only option they have is to appeal it, after which if the appeal finds them still in violation and they do not comply! serious sanctions are levied on them. they can't what these internet PDF Bs'ers say double down and make excuses to further reduce it or make up new claims

Now see this link ( read page 58 and see infrgraphic on page 59) .... http://www.wto.org/english/thewto_e/whatis_e/tif_e/utw_chap3_e.pdf
 
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I once attended a conference on this issue with WTO trade representatives. Sometimes I despise Chinese merchants and local officials. They just dig up without compensation for mineral rights, environmental costs and then compete against each other at cabbage price.

Shame on those dumb officials and now they get slapped on the face left and right. When you see those businessmen make money without compensating for mineral rights and leaving dirty earth behind to immigrate to US etc, I feel a sense of despair and loses confidence in CCP.

In response to one Indian above, the Chinese government did not give money to miners in order to cut prices. It's just that they colluded with corrupted local officials without respect to mineral rights, which is supposed to belong to the state or the people, and environmental costs.

Free stuff for sale at cabbage price! Finally the central government realized seriousness of this issue.
 
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What are Yanks going to do about it? Come and dig them by force......bycott the 10% REE's they are getting......stop importing electronics from China? good luck to them...... uber morons.......... sometimes these people kill me with their stupidity...... :D

They will not do anything that drastic, the first thing they do is to push their companies to look for alternatives (if possible) countries like India, Indonesia, Thailand, Bangladesh, etc...They will still do business with China but to a lesser extent, in meanwhile China's investments in the U.S. could mean more jobs in the U.S.
 
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I once attended a conference on this issue with WTO trade representatives. Sometimes I despise Chinese merchants and local officials. They just dig up without compensation for mineral rights, environmental costs and then compete against each other at cabbage price.

Shame on those dumb officials and now they get slapped on the face left and right. When you see those businessmen make money without compensating for mineral rights and leaving dirty earth behind to immigrate to US etc, I feel a sense of despair and loses confidence in CCP.

In response to one Indian above, the Chinese government did not give money to miners in order to cut prices. It's just that they colluded with corrupted local officials without respect to mineral rights, which is supposed to belong to the state or the people, and environmental costs.

Free stuff for sale at cabbage price! Finally the central government realized seriousness of this issue.

China Subsidizing Rare Earth Metal Companies Gets Prices Back Up
 
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The 'rare earth (RE)' treaties on China is unfair on China to start with
We own 23% of the world's RE deposits but we have to supply 90% of RE to the world!?! WTF!

We have 60 days to appeal. Let's see what is going to happen

Meantime, we are not standing still under the bullies attacks:

Chinese WTO suit hits back at U.S. duties
March 29, 2014

By Tom Miles


GENEVA (Reuters) - China launched a complaint at the World Trade Organization on Friday against U.S. import duties on 22 Chinese products that the United States says are unfairly priced or subsidized, including solar panels and steel products.

"China firmly opposes the abuse of trade remedy measures and trade protectionism," China's Ministry of Commerce said in a statement.

China's complaint counter-attacks in areas where the United States has hit Chinese products with punitive tariffs, known as anti-dumping duties or countervailing duties, in recent years.

China said the complaint covers exports worth $7.3 billion, encompassing such diverse products as citric acid, kitchen shelving and lawn groomers. It also includes wind towers, even though the U.S. Commerce Department's preliminary decision on those wind tower imports is not due until next Wednesday.

Just eight days ago the U.S. Commerce Department set punitive tariffs on Chinese solar panels, which it said Chinese exporters had dumped on the U.S. market at unfairly low prices.

The United States hit Chinese steel pipe imports with hefty anti-dumping duties in 2010, and later in the same year it launched a trade suit over Chinese government grants to wind power manufacturers, although it did not pursue the case.

A spokeswoman for the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative, Nkenge Harmon, said it was studying the complaint and would respond in accordance with WTO rules.

"The Obama Administration strongly supports the trade remedy laws, and was the first Administration ever to apply a 421 safeguard to imports from China," she said. A 421 safeguard is a U.S. measure that allows manufacturers to request emergency restrictions on Chinese imports in response to a surge.

COMPLAINT WON

Last year China won a WTO complaint similar to Friday's against U.S. duties on imports of Chinese steel pipes, off-road tires and woven sacks. U.S. Trade Representative Ron Kirk called that decision "a clear case of overreaching" by the judges.

Many of China's grievances might have been dealt with by a U.S. court decision last year, which struck down the Commerce Department's ability to impose countervailing duties on "non-market economies" such as China.

But the U.S. Congress voted to restore it in March, ensuring U.S. duties on about two dozen Chinese goods stayed in place.

China's new complaint, the seventh it has filed against the United States since it joined the WTO in 2001, comes just as WTO chief Pascal Lamy flies to China for a four-day visit, during which he will meet Vice Premier Wang Qishan.

The legal process begins with China holding talks with the United States to seek an amicable settlement.

It may move to arbitration if the two cannot agree, and the United States could be forced to scrap its duties and even compensate China if it is found to have broken the rules.

The dispute adds more heat to a trade relationship that has barely stopped simmering, even though the United States has seen signs of China "making progress" towards easing restrictions on its currency, one of the biggest causes of friction.

The U.S. Treasury again shied away from calling China a currency manipulator in its semi-annual report on Friday.

Although the overall pace of China's export growth has slumped to single digits this year, its trade surplus with the United States set a record of more than $295 billion in 2011, putting extra pressure on U.S. manufacturers whose markets are still recovering from the financial crisis.

Lamy has repeatedly warned that the world needs to be on guard against any rise of protectionism in the wake of the financial crisis, although the threat of a global trade war has not yet become reality.

U.S. and Chinese politicians also deny they are in a trade war, but global trade tensions are rising, with Latin American becoming an increasing focus of trade disputes. On Friday, one of the most heated disputes flared into a European Union suit over Argentina's import restrictions.

India, which launched a trade complaint over U.S. duties on steel last month, is also threatening to take the United States to the WTO over U.S. visa fees for high-skilled foreign workers.

WTO dispute panels are due to rule on two more Chinese-U.S. trade disputes within days or weeks.

One concerns China's exports of grain-oriented electrical steel, the other is a U.S. complaint that China's electronic payments market is closed to foreign firms such as VISA, Mastercard and American Express, while China UnionPay enjoys a monopoly.

(Reporting by Tom Miles, additional reporting by Doug Palmer in Washington; Editing by Tim Pearce)

Chinese WTO suit hits back at U.S. duties | Terra
 
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first what you have to do is completely ignore the rubbish the chinese say here , including the so called think tanks here from their side ...( which btw is hilarious as to how many least qualified here get that designation)

The WTO is a serious organization and no country within it wants to be thrown out or mess with its final rulings.

Let me give you some background first( not the chinese bullpucky propaganda version)

How this started was their govt was subsidizing the industry-to such an extent that they were beating everyone else on price. Everyone else packed up shop and China got 90% of the market.

Then they jacked up prices on all countries ...which effected even Pakistans industries.

Then the crash came , slow down happened globally and prices went down... so they now came up with hoarding it, selling cheaper for their own industries and not producing enough on purpose for exports= prices went up by 3/4 times.

They got a complaint from US and Europe and WTO came down on them with a ruling and that is what happened

Regarding the ruling: The only option they have is to appeal it, after which if the appeal finds them still in violation and they do not comply! serious sanctions are levied on them. they can't what these internet PDF Bs'ers say double down and make excuses to further reduce it or make up new claims

Now see this link ( read page 58 and see infrgraphic on page 59) .... http://www.wto.org/english/thewto_e/whatis_e/tif_e/utw_chap3_e.pdf

I would think that as oppose to you, who is known as a China hater and periodically post smears, the other posters are a lot more reliable.

Quite a few posters above have already explained just exactly how you can work around a simple ruling because it does not have the power to control the economic activities of a country that is not dependent on foreign loans and aids and even among those nations who are economically independent, China is especially resilient to this type of influence because it is a socialist country on top of the independent economy, which means the government can step in and intervene with rules and regulations at any time.

Seriously, if a country can't even work around something like this, there is no hope for it actually achieve anything.
 
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