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WASHINGTON: China may lead the world in some aspects of artificial intelligence, such as surveillance and censorship. But in the ways that matter most for future warfare, “the US is still ahead compared to China [in terms of] sophistication and breadth,” says the acting director of the Pentagon’s Joint AI Center.


“The question becomes, how can we quickly adopt this and bring this into the DoD?” Nand Mulchandani asked. It’s not the US Department of Defense that’s leading the world on AI – although there are definitely some clever coders in the DoD – but American companies, which have invested massively in cutting-edge techniques driven by such mundane missions as targeting online advertising. “[We’re] absorbing and wielding it, as opposed to building it from scratch,” he said, and that’s a big advantage.

“I remember five years ago, people said by 2020 China would be ahead of us in artificial intelligence. I don’t think they are,” the Vice-Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Gen. John Hyten, told a JAIC-hosted public conference yesterday. “It’s the work that’s going on across this entire country, all of our industry is involved in that, and that’s what’s keeping our advantage.”


Mulchandani agrees with Hyten that the US software industry is America’s edge, saying he, “would argue any day of the week that we have the preeminent talent, the industry, the partners and the tech, The DoD has access to all those technologies and partnerships and relationships.”

Does it, really? The Pentagon’s first high-profile military AI, Project Maven, made headlines in 2018 when Google very publicly opted not to renew its contract for what many employees objected to as an unethical use of their work. Even tech companies with no such qualms have often found government bureaucracy a nightmare to do business with.

But Google and other major companies are doing business with the JAIC now, and when it held its online conference this week, more than 3,000 people signed up to participate, many of them from the private sector.

All told, “the JAIC is now working with more than 120 companies serving as prime and subprime vendors for its AI projects,” said Mulchandani’s boss, DoD CIO Dana Deasy, in an address to the virtual conference this morning. “With the many tech firms represented here today and those contracted to develop AI projects for the DoD, I truly believe we have turned the corner for a new era of cooperation.”

“AI is not a monolithic single piece of technology,” Mulchandani said this morning. “Saying that one country’s ahead or behind in aggregate is hard…You have to take it on an individual technology basis.”


China has invested heavily in the specific needs of an authoritarian regime, like “video image recognition for population control, or Great Firewall content filtering,” he said. “At the DoD, we’re focused on military and warfighting capabilities.”

For those purposes, added JAIC’s Chief of Warfighting Operations, Army infantry Col. Brad Boyd, “frankly we have the best data sets in the world.” After 19 years of nonstop combat operations worldwide, in fact, the American military’s problem is actually too much data that’s too poorly organized and archived. “The DoD leave a lot of data on the floor,” Boyd said. “We’re constantly generating data; we’re not collecting it and curating it” – which is something JAIC aims to fix.

China, for its part, is also collecting masses of data, but it’s curating it largely by “brute force,” said Jane Pinelis, JAIC’s chief of testing and evaluation. The Chinese are “just having so many people sitting in front of their computers and labeling” data by hand, he said. “We’re working with academia and industry [on automation] to circumvent that process.”

“There’s a tendency to focus on the algorithm and the application,” Boyd added, “but the decisive aspect of AI for warfare is honestly going to be all the unsexy stuff: the integration of the infrastructure, the ability to move and curate data… That’s where the hard work is.”

While JAIC stands for Joint Artificial Intelligence Center, Mulchandani joked, it “sometimes become the ‘joint data and plumbing center’ to get all the [underlying] systems right first, upon which we can [then] build the AI.” There’s a big glamor gap, he laughed, between “what we’re called and what we do.”

https://breakingdefense.com/2020/09/china-is-not-ahead-of-us-on-ai-jaic-chief-vcjsc-hyten/
 
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I've actually read the report and thats not what it said at all. In fact, there was only 3 areas where the Pentagon said China was a peer competitor. Total number of naval ships, ground launched cruise and ballistic missiles, and integrated air defenses.

Naval ships- China is ahead, but thats because its built 100 frigates and corvettes for coastal defense. The USN is a global power projection force. It doesnt need 70 corvettes for coastal defense.

Ground launched cruise/ballistic missiles- clearly China is ahead because the US adhered to the INF Treaty for the last 30 years, but now thats changed. The US Army and Marines are now moving rapidly to a full suite of ground launched long range fires across the the short, mid, and long range spectrum.

Integrated air defenses- Once again, China is ahead because the US hasn't needed to invest in SAM systems because the USAF and USN dominate the air domain. The Pentagon has largely invested in ballistic missile defense in the last decade.
 
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We need to pump as much money possible into AI integration into the military as possible. While the Chinese are ahead in applications of AI (due to massive data harvesting), we still have an edge in research although even that is shrinking as we speak. The future AI domain will be the US vs China.
 
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We need to pump as much money possible into AI integration into the military as possible. While the Chinese are ahead in applications of AI (due to massive data harvesting), we still have an edge in research although even that is shrinking as we speak. The future AI domain will be the US vs China.

The Pentagon is pumping huge money into its joint all domain command and control effort enabled by AI and machine learning algorithms.

Every sensor and shooter will be connected, and it will be done at AI/machine speed.

This is the holy grail of command and control, and my bet is the Pentagon gets there first and will thereby gain significant overmatch against its adversaries.
 
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The Pentagon is pumping huge money into its joint all domain command and control effort enabled by AI and machine learning algorithms.

Every sensor and shooter will be connected, and it will be done at AI/machine speed.

This is the holy grail of command and control, and my bet is the Pentagon gets there first and will thereby gain significant overmatch against its adversaries.
I can't wait until the 2024 AI fighter demo :enjoy:
 
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I can't wait until the 2024 AI fighter demo :enjoy:

I consider Joint All Domain Command and Control to be the most important effort in the Pentagon today. Much more important than hypersonics, or B-21, or even Columbia IMO. It's the United States ability to fight as a Joint Force that separates it from its adversaries, not individual weapon systems.

If the the US gets this right, then they've won the century IMO.
 
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Ok, I guess this article is a cheap Melatonin for F-22 Raptor
 
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I guess it is Raptor 22 versus Raptor 22 and shouting aloud.
I only heard Americans and USA official talking.
China appears to be amused by Pentagon report. USN can't even repair its warship without a long delay and is now screaming about its number versus China. :cheers:
 
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PLAN has indicated that it may sailed to Guam to conducts its own Freedom of Navigation. Since the non UN International Arbitration Tribunal has ruled that these islands do not have 200nm EEZ now China PLAN will sailed on the limit of the 12nm exactly like what USN is doing.

I would like to see US reaction and response. Will it dare to fire its first round in response? Interesting time. :coffee::cheers:
 
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Of course they will say that, just like they are doing the white paper to get more money for the military.
 
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Realistically, AI research is more advanced in US labs than China's. The two countries are taking a different approach to AI.

China is pursuing a path of widespread adoption, utilizing some very basic AI on the market and refining them from user data. US is more institution focused, with researchers being at the forefront rather than engineers.

Market vs labratory

 
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