China invest 6 billion dollars into Iranian oil field , and refinery projec

[ephone]

"power of asymmetric warfare"?

I do not underestimate it at all. Trust me, U.S. will be very happy to see such "incident" that you indicate to happen. So far, U.S. has not found a better excuse to include other countries into its war plan against Iran.

As I have mentioned, U.S. has not attacked Iran since it need to find a way to pay for it. Getting other countries involved, e.g. Saudi, Japan, Nato countries, will solve that payment problems.

About provocative activities, you do not know anything???

E.g. Iran's support of those attacks in Iraq, its nuclear weapon program development as well as those support of attacks in Lebanon and Israel.

Well, you may say Iran has its freedom to develop its nuclear program. That indeed makes some sense if Iran has not threatened to wipe Israel from earth. BTW, you have to recognize currently U.S. still dictates world order unless you can change that.

Libya is different even though its oil production is only 2%. Its production is not replaceable since it is light oil without much refinery work. So Europe countries have a great dependence on it since Europe lacks refineries there.

On the contrary, Iran's heavy oil can be easily replaced since U.S. can ask Saudi and other OPEC countries to increase productions to overcome Iran's shutdown. Many OPEC countries will be glad to do so. As far as for Russia, Russia will not do a thing about it. There won't be a single bullet shipped to Iran from Russia if Iran causes any such "incident" to happen. What happened in the past between U.S.S.R. and U.S. won't happen in the near future, at least.

You still think it is in Iran's interest to do so??? As far as for China, we would like to see Iran to have peaceful environment there. Otherwise, it will be a big loss for us. It will be a much greater loss for Iran.

To ephone

What has Iran done which you deemed provocative? I'm interested to know.

and also I'm afraid you're underestimating power of asymmetric warfare, and you fail to see the real objective here: The goal is to create a very fast spike in the oil market not to close the waterway forever, you might want to know that even a simple incident in these waterways can cause spike in the oil markets. Haven't you heard what Libya unrest did to the market? (Libya hardly produce %2 of world oil and Europe is their biggest buyer) .

About your analyze I must say according to the current oil production of Russia they are not too unhappy to see a disruption in the oil route, and increase in the oil price, though they might not openly welcome it, but they won't be unhappy to see it happen!

Anyway China is a sovereign and powerful nation and they are welcome to invest in Iran or anywhere else they like!

 

[fallstuff]

"power of asymmetric warfare"?

I do not underestimate it at all. Trust me, U.S. will be very happy to see such "incident" that you indicate to happen. So far, U.S. has not found a better excuse to include other countries into its war plan against Iran.

As I have mentioned, U.S. has not attacked Iran since it need to find a way to pay for it. Getting other countries involved, e.g. Saudi, Japan, Nato countries, will solve that payment problems.

About provocative activities, you do not know anything???

E.g. Iran's support of those attacks in Iraq, its nuclear weapon program development as well as those support of attacks in Lebanon and Israel.

Well, you may say Iran has its freedom to develop its nuclear program. That indeed makes some sense if Iran has not threatened to wipe Israel from earth. BTW, you have to recognize currently U.S. still dictates world order unless you can change that.

Libya is different even though its oil production is only 2%. Its production is not replaceable since it is light oil without much refinery work. So Europe countries have a great dependence on it since Europe lacks refineries there.

On the contrary, Iran's heavy oil can be easily replaced since U.S. can ask Saudi and other OPEC countries to increase productions to overcome Iran's shutdown. Many OPEC countries will be glad to do so. As far as for Russia, Russia will not do a thing about it. There won't be a single bullet shipped to Iran from Russia if Iran causes any such "incident" to happen. What happened in the past between U.S.S.R. and U.S. won't happen in the near future, at least.

You still think it is in Iran's interest to do so??? As far as for China, we would like to see Iran to have peaceful environment there. Otherwise, it will be a big loss for us. It will be a much greater loss for Iran.

Its just hot air you are blowing without any plan as to how you go about doing it. I doubt you have any idea what you are posting about. I will leave you with the words of Secreatry Gates,

Defense Secretary Robert Gates told West Point cadets last month, “In my opinion, any future defense secretary who advises the president to again send a big American military into Asia or into the Middle East or Africa should ‘have his head examined,’ as General MacArthur so delicately put it.”

Go find the nearest shrink and get some help.


link:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/26/world/26gates.html

 

[ephone]

What are you trying to say exactly??? You think U.S. will not start war in Iran in any situation???

Before the first gulf war, there were many "wise guys" saying that U.S. dare not to invade Iraq since it will cause great casualty on U.S. side? Well, those "wise guys" were dumbfounded later.

Before U.S. initiated war on Taliban, "wise guys" showed up again saying that U.S. dare not to invade Afghanistan since the geographical environment there will be so difficult for U.S. to show its advantage. In addition, Many former invaders have suffered greatly before. Well, U.S. did invaded it and Taliban is driven away into the caves. "wise guys" again was dumbfounded.

Now some "wise guys" again resurfaced and cited this or that examples saying U.S. dare not invade Iran or Iran will cause great damage towards U.S. and world economy.

I think those "wise guys" need really get wise now.

Its just hot air you are blowing without any plan as to how you go about doing it. I doubt you have any idea what you are posting about. I will leave you with the words of Secreatry Gates,



Go find the nearest shrink and get some help.


link:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/26/world/26gates.html

 

[Programmer]

To ephone

E.g. Iran's support of those attacks in Iraq, its nuclear weapon program development as well as those support of attacks in Lebanon and Israel.

But there is no concrete evidence to support their claims! All I can say they're all only accusation!

Libya is different even though its oil production is only 2%. Its production is not replaceable since it is light oil without much refinery work. So Europe countries have a great dependence on it since Europe lacks refineries there.

I'm afraid you missed My point, I didn't say Iran want to pose any embargo against anyone! If Iran disrupt the oil distribution routes how can USA and her friends(!) get the replacement oil from Saudi?

Other OPEC countries weren't willing to increase their quota so the oil market get stable, what makes you think they will do it then? And also I think in these kind of wars oil infrastructures of these countries are the primary targets.

Oh and hey, what makes you think that Russia will support Iran in a confrontation anyway? Honestly we expect Russia to be last country in world after Solomon islands to come to our aid! No, we are totally on our own.

 

[ephone]

no concrete evidence? Are you from Mars???

Those weapons being forfeiture by U.S., Israel and those found used against Israel by Hezbulla, Hamas as well as those used against U.S. in Iraq, they are all fake???

U.N.'s sanctions against Iran are also created from thin air without evidience to back it up? China has also supported such sanction as well if you do not know.

To ephone

E.g. Iran's support of those attacks in Iraq, its nuclear weapon program development as well as those support of attacks in Lebanon and Israel.

But there is no concrete evidence to support their claims! All I can say they're all only accusation!

Libya is different even though its oil production is only 2%. Its production is not replaceable since it is light oil without much refinery work. So Europe countries have a great dependence on it since Europe lacks refineries there.

I'm afraid you missed My point, I didn't say Iran want to pose any embargo against anyone! If Iran disrupt the oil distribution routes how can USA and her friends(!) get the replacement oil from Saudi?

Other OPEC countries weren't willing to increase their quota so the oil market get stable, what makes you think they will do it then? And also I think in these kind of wars oil infrastructures of these countries are the primary targets.

Oh and hey, what makes you think that Russia will support Iran in a confrontation anyway? Honestly we expect Russia to be last country in world after Solomon islands to come to our aid! No, we are totally on our own.

As for Iran disruption of oil transport, Iran has NO such gut to do so. Since the minute it starts to do so, it means war. When war starts, Iran's force will be wiped very quickly. It will only create damage if such disruption stays long enough. However, Iran has NO such ability.

About support, I just say that even China and Russia will not support Iran in that situation.

Now China is the only big backer/investor for Iran economically. Even Russia has withdrawn quite a bit. If even China withdraws from Iran, Iran will for sure collapse economically.

 

[ephone]

To ephone

E.g. Iran's support of those attacks in Iraq, its nuclear weapon program development as well as those support of attacks in Lebanon and Israel.

But there is no concrete evidence to support their claims! All I can say they're all only accusation!

Libya is different even though its oil production is only 2%. Its production is not replaceable since it is light oil without much refinery work. So Europe countries have a great dependence on it since Europe lacks refineries there.

I'm afraid you missed My point, I didn't say Iran want to pose any embargo against anyone! If Iran disrupt the oil distribution routes how can USA and her friends(!) get the replacement oil from Saudi?

Other OPEC countries weren't willing to increase their quota so the oil market get stable, what makes you think they will do it then? And also I think in these kind of wars oil infrastructures of these countries are the primary targets.

Oh and hey, what makes you think that Russia will support Iran in a confrontation anyway? Honestly we expect Russia to be last country in world after Solomon islands to come to our aid! No, we are totally on our own.

As for OPEC countries to increase production if Iran disrupts oil transport, you forget what Saudi has done during 1st gulf war???

Saudi only will be enough to overcome the loss on Iran's output. Saudi and Iraq will be very happy to do so to see Iran gone if Iran dare to do so.

There is even no need for more countries in OPEC to increase production, Saudi, Iraq and Kuweit will be glad to do so. Isn't that enough already?

 

[Programmer]

You are simply fantasizing about everything? Finding few box containing "Made in Iran" ammunition doesn't make them Iranian, do you really think they're so stupid to label the products they sent for these "proxy groups"? And if you are suggesting they're dumb? Dumb people usually don't use proxy as it is a very smart move to create trouble for the enemy?

Good point that you are now referring to the sanctions! You can look into the statistics despite all international sanctions Iran ranked 6th among countries with highest foreign direct investment! One thing that you fail to understand is that China vote in the security council actually isolate the huge Iranian market and made it exclusive to the Chinese companies! Do you really think Chinese care about being threatened by a bankrupt country? Especially with their current debt to China? Yes, you know what country I'm talking about!

In the policy at it's global scale we don't use words such as "guts" or "dare" and the likes! These are simply your speculations which are based on your limited knowledge of the current global situation. You said Iran's disruption of oil route means war! Yes it's exactly what it means! Do you think USA invasion of Iran means peace? Because that's not gonna happen before a USA invasion on Iranian soil! And I also wonder how Iraqis with their current limited oil productions gonna make up for Iran? They still need time to increase their oil production! Also you fail to see that the first move by Iran in case of being attacked is gonna be the oil infrastructures of the USA friends in the region whom are actually supporting the USA by providing logistic which is considered to be act of war against Iran!

Please stop using the words like "Wiping off the map", "guts", "dare" and... I think you are watching too much Ahmadinjiad! And I don't mean to offend you but I think you need to improve your logic thinking, it's essential... almost for everything!

Regards

 

[ephone]

Why don't you just say that Iran has never supported those adversaries of U.S. and Israel with money and military equipment? All of those evidence intercepted by U.S., Israel or other European countries are simply fabricated??? BTW, you can tell where the weapons are made by many features of the weapons. You do not need to have a "made in Iran" label to show that.

Why don't you say that the U.N. sanctions against Iran are simply created from thin air without any evidence to back it up?

My logic? My logic is perfectly fine.

As for U.S. invasion, I do not want to see it happen either. Why would I?

I am Chinese and China has huge investment there. If any invasion happens, those investment will incur huge losses. If I am China diplomat, I will also let Iran know China's concern. Many countries including European countries have either withdrawn investment or reduce investment after the sanction. Is this also fabricated???

As for Ahmadinjiad, has not he been provocative enough? Wipe Israel from earth, The Holocaust is fabricated and etc... BTW, isn't he the president of Iran?

Well, I am not going to argue with you anymore about your Iran power.
First strike against U.S. allies and etc... You think those spy satellites are sleeping when you move your missiles?

If you Iran like to taunt U.S., well go ahead. See what gains you can get from that except some self-fulfillment in your ego.

I remember there are several guys who usually did the same thing, e.g. Sadam, Bin-Laden and the leader of Taliban...

Well, they are either dead or enjoy their lives in caves. Good luck with you.

You are simply fantasizing about everything? Finding few box containing "Made in Iran" ammunition doesn't make them Iranian, do you really think they're so stupid to label the products they sent for these "proxy groups"? And if you are suggesting they're dumb? Dumb people usually don't use proxy as it is a very smart move to create trouble for the enemy?

Good point that you are now referring to the sanctions! You can look into the statistics despite all international sanctions Iran ranked 6th among countries with highest foreign direct investment! One thing that you fail to understand is that China vote in the security council actually isolate the huge Iranian market and made it exclusive to the Chinese companies! Do you really think Chinese care about being threatened by a bankrupt country? Especially with their current debt to China? Yes, you know what country I'm talking about!

In the policy at it's global scale we don't use words such as "guts" or "dare" and the likes! These are simply your speculations which are based on your limited knowledge of the current global situation. You said Iran's disruption of oil route means war! Yes it's exactly what it means! Do you think USA invasion of Iran means peace? Because that's not gonna happen before a USA invasion on Iranian soil! And I also wonder how Iraqis with their current limited oil productions gonna make up for Iran? They still need time to increase their oil production! Also you fail to see that the first move by Iran in case of being attacked is gonna be the oil infrastructures of the USA friends in the region whom are actually supporting the USA by providing logistic which is considered to be act of war against Iran!

Please stop using the words like "Wiping off the map", "guts", "dare" and... I think you are watching too much Ahmadinjiad! And I don't mean to offend you but I think you need to improve your logic thinking, it's essential... almost for everything!

Regards