China introduce first Chinese Made Passengers aircraft

[imiakhtar]

Exactly what Americans said when Airbus started up in the 1970s.

The difference of course being that the home nations involved, namely the UK, France and Germany had already built FAA certified aircraft. China hasn't.

like it or not, rests on the professionals of the world

Indeed.

Industrial acceptance will only come if/when the aircraft is EASA/FAA certified.

Oh and remind me again China. How is the ARJ-21 coming along?

 

[Dungeness]

The difference of course being that the home nations involved, namely the UK, France and Germany had already built FAA certified aircraft. China hasn't.



Indeed.

Industrial acceptance will only come if/when the aircraft is EASA/FAA certified.

Oh and remind me again China. How is the ARJ-21 coming along?

Here is an update:

China-made regional jet set for delivery, but no US certification - Channel NewsAsia

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

Let me repeat again. Which domestic airline dare not to buy C919, a project initial by President Xi himself?

Your assumption that no one will buy C919 is totally not going to happen in real life especially largest aviation market is in China .

It is as simple as this.

If one or two C 919, god forbid, go through any problem or mishap, then Chinese themselves wouldn't travel in the plane.

And XJP himself will be happy to scrap the plan to force C 919 on them.

I am not saying that the huge domestic market doesn't give favorable conditions to Comac.

But winning trust and confidence as a world class jet maker must come from the quality of the product, or else, no Communist Party Leader will be able to force people on to the plane.

China is a state managed country. Everything will be planned by CCP. All state owned airline must buy certain number of C919. Chinese own groom pilot are all proud to fly C919. The final blow to western countries is , Boeing estimate China will be the largest aviation market for next 20 years. The market is controlled by state and so is the airlines. China do not even need to export this airline oversea and can earn big profit by just selling it to domestic airline.

Why can C919 not be successful? It just a matter of time

The C919 will generate wave effect like local supplier, maintenance, aviation R&D and booming of domestic airline which hundred billions of dollars spare export to airbus and boeing.

I don't think what gamble says and what you say are in any way different.

What he is saying is that C 919 and Comac in general will require credibility and reliability. Any passenger will be skeptical of flying in a new jet, built by a company that is relatively new. Also, China doesn't exactly have best of reputations, even within the country itself, where people still value foreign brands and products.

So, that is right. But once, the jet is reliable and safe, then what you say is right. That China can leverage its huge market to get a head start to Comac.

 

[Dungeness]

It is as simple as this.

If one or two C 919, god forbid, go through any problem or mishap, then Chinese themselves wouldn't travel in the plane.

And XJP himself will be happy to scrap the plan to force C 919 on them.

I am not saying that the huge domestic market doesn't give favorable conditions to Comac.

Just curious, what made you said that? Are you in any way associated with Xi personally?

What he is saying is that C 919 and Comac in general will require credibility and reliability. Any passenger will be skeptical of flying in a new jet, built by a company that is relatively new. Also, China doesn't exactly have best of reputations, even within the country itself, where people still value foreign brands and products.

So, that is right. But once, the jet is reliable and safe, then what you say is right. That China can leverage its huge market to get a head start to Comac.

Years ago, some people bitched and cursed about Chinese domestic cars with the exact same lines.

 

[MilSpec]

Great development ! congrats.

 

[SR-91]

If there are issues with the C919, then it will be the Chinese travelers who will pay the price. If other countries are not convinced, Boeing and Airbus do not need the Chinese market to thrive and profit.

Next generation airbus concept plane.

 

[Dungeness]

they are just some hopeless indians and viets in here

While China are making progress and sharing its REAL achievements, our Indian friends are sharing their "superpower" dreams and news of their old missiles launches or new weapon procurement "PLANS".

The winner works, and the loser bitches.

 

[phancong]

Butt hurt will bring in safety record to belittle China achievement as the only Asian nation to successfully rolled out a wide body commercial airplane, China wisely subsidize their own aerospace industry to build the own airplane to totally dominate the aerospace industry within China market. Future for Boeing or Airbus to win more business in China, they have to provide more incentive with China have the power to gain more on concession for the future purchase of plane from Airbus or Boeing, when China no longer depend on the west for commercial plane, China can used the billions dollar commercial airplane deal to win over geopolitical influence. This rolled out achievement more than just China growing in high tech manufacturing industry, when China commercial jet industry mature they can use the C919 as the tool for solf power diplomacy. China can't let foreign firm to totally dominate China future over 300 billions dollar air industry. China government have the farsighted to promote their own grow in aerospace industry and minimize the amount of money they shall spend on foreign make airplane.

 

[Sanchez]

They aren't going to fall into that trap.
Many of the components are sourced from overseas.
As the plane gets a good reputation they will simply replace those parts with domestic versions.

Yes, there are 50% important parts are supplied by US, European companies. We have good reasons to blame others if anything doesn't go well as it should...

 

[Dungeness]

Butt hurt will bring in safety record to belittle China achievement as the only Asian nation to successfully rolled out a wide body commercial airplane, China wisely subsidize their own aerospace industry to build the own airplane to totally dominate the aerospace industry within China market. Future for Boeing or Airbus to win more business in China, they have to provide more incentive with China have the power to gain more on concession for the future purchase of plane from Airbus or Boeing, when China no longer depend on the west for commercial plane, China can used the billions dollar commercial airplane deal to win over geopolitical influence. This rolled out achievement more than just China growing in high tech manufacturing industry, when China commercial jet industry mature they can use the C919 as the tool for solf power diplomacy. China can't let foreign firm to totally dominate China future over 300 billions dollar air industry. China government have the farsighted to promote their own grow in aerospace industry and minimize the amount of money they shall spend on foreign make airplane.

You are right, and it has been proved time and time again. This is the most effective way to break the monopoly and/or price fixing by the incumbent leaders of the industries. The concession comes from the respect, and the respect demands the hard power. In the area of civilian aviation, C919 and the future C929 are the hard power.

 

[phancong]

You are right, and it has been proved time and time again. This is the most effective way to break the monopoly and/or price fixing by the incumbent leaders of the industries. The concession comes from the respect, and the respect demands the hard power. In the area of civilian aviation, C919 and the future C929 are the hard power.

 

[KediKesenFare3]

I read in a German newspaper, that the engines are from western companies. This is not convincing.

 

[Beast]

It is as simple as this.

If one or two C 919, god forbid, go through any problem or mishap, then Chinese themselves wouldn't travel in the plane.

And XJP himself will be happy to scrap the plan to force C 919 on them.

I am not saying that the huge domestic market doesn't give favorable conditions to Comac.

But winning trust and confidence as a world class jet maker must come from the quality of the product, or else, no Communist Party Leader will be able to force people on to the plane.



I don't think what gamble says and what you say are in any way different.

What he is saying is that C 919 and Comac in general will require credibility and reliability. Any passenger will be skeptical of flying in a new jet, built by a company that is relatively new. Also, China doesn't exactly have best of reputations, even within the country itself, where people still value foreign brands and products.

So, that is right. But once, the jet is reliable and safe, then what you say is right. That China can leverage its huge market to get a head start to Comac.

It just the same as HSR. I do not imply quality will not come first. China HSR do suffer the hiccup with an accident but did it deter Chinese from using HSR? No.

I read in a German newspaper, that the engines are from western companies. This is not convincing.

Turkish tank using german engine. It is not a convincing weapon.

 

[DoTell]

I read in a German newspaper, that the engines are from western companies. This is not convincing.

Well, the radios are from Japan, software is from Microsoft, heck the blueprint of the whole airplane is stolen from Boeing. That's more than convincing, isn't it?

So please, make yourself comfortable, believe whatever you want to believe. We aren't losing any sleep over it.

 

[phancong]

You are right, and it has been proved time and time again. This is the most effective way to break the monopoly and/or price fixing by the incumbent leaders of the industries. The concession comes from the respect, and the respect demands the hard power. In the area of civilian aviation, C919 and the future C929 are the hard power.

When you have no option or the choice to build thing for your need, you then subject to whatever interest foreign firm impose on you because your need always supersede your want. You have no other choice without your own industry to provide your need, China right on the direction for self proficiency on building their own aerospace industry.