China Intercepts U.S. Restrictions with Homegrown Supercomputer Chips

[Jlaw]

First, Crimea has always been Russian. Ukraine has no right to Crimea whatsoever. Crimea was actually stolen from Russia by former Soviet leader Khrushchev (a Ukrainian) against the will of the people in Crimea. If you think Russia has no right to Crimea, then Russians can say China has no right to Tibet, Taiwan, Xinjiang, Inner Mongolia.

Second, Russia is the only friend China has that is of relevance on the international stage.

If Russia was an enemy, China would be surrounded from all sides by Japan, India, Vietnam, Philippines, Australia and Russia.

China better hope that Russia never joins the West in containing China because a Western-Russian-Japanese-Indian alliance would be China's worst nightmare.

That's why China needs to support Russia. Ukraine offers nothing to China anymore. Certainly not under the fascists ruling Ukraine right now.

Russia would not join the west unless China is militarily and economically stronger than US. It's just a three way chess game.

 

[j20blackdragon]

The Intel ban came in April 2015. Three months later, China unveils a domestic coprocessor to replace the Xeon Phi completely. This is a future superpower in action.

 

[gambit]

The Intel ban came in April 2015. Three months later, China unveils a domestic coprocessor to replace the Xeon Phi completely. This is a future superpower in action.

Anybody -- even a production worker -- knows that there is no way this Chinese processor was a response to that ban.

 

[Lure]

All you've said doesn't make any sense at all.If Uyghur welcome the invasion of turks，you will accept that Xinjiang under the rule of Turkey？Invasion is invasion，no exuse.And friend？My gosh how childish you are.So after all you just want to hide in your russian daddy's back？Typical southern coward.

Crimea was Russian territory. It was given to Ukraine by Khrushchev to commemorate Ukraine-Russian friendship. Khrushchev was Ukranian by the way. Since there is no friendship left between Russia and Ukraine, there is nothing to commemorate now. Therefore Russia can take it's territory back.

Since there is no such relationship between Turkish state and Xinjiang neither in the history nor in recent times, what you say is irrelevant. I mean Crimea is more Turkish then Xinjiang. At least it belonged to us for centuries before Russians (not Ukrainians) took it from us.

Besides since this is a problem between Russia and Ukraine I don't know why it bother CCTV so much? I mean do you honestly believe they are following a certain moral code? Or are they serving to a certain agenda?

 

[EAsian]

Crimea was Russian territory. It was given to Ukraine by Khrushchev to commemorate Ukraine-Russian friendship. Khrushchev was Ukranian by the way. Since there is no friendship left between Russia and Ukraine, there is nothing to commemorate now. Therefore Russia can take it's territory back.

Since there is no such relationship between Turkish state and Xinjiang neither in the history nor in recent times, what you say is irrelevant. I mean Crimea is more Turkish then Xinjiang. At least it belonged to us for centuries before Russians (not Ukrainians) took it from us.

Besides since this is a problem between Russia and Ukraine I don't know why it bother CCTV so much? I mean do you honestly believe they are following a certain moral code? Or are they serving to a certain agenda?

It's just a not so good comparation，don't mind it.Invasion is invasion，it sounds bad to invade a country to take back your land even the people who live there agree.About moral，We don't really care about Ukraine，it's not that strange if some experts have sympathy with Ukraine，after all，Russia have taken a lot of land where used to belong to China too.

 

[TaiShang]

CCTV NEWS is almost a defender of America.

CCTV takes a pro-Kiev and anti-Russian stance in the Ukraine crisis.

They never get Russian analysts but always get anti-Russian and anti-Chinese analysts, especially CCTV America.

CCTV is more pro-American than pro-Chinese.

Liberals are running CCTV. No way a conservative will tolerate such pro-American garbage.

CCTV needs to report like RT. report everything the West don't want you to report. The West has no problem always reporting bad things about China so why do the Chinese report favourable things about the West.

I think it's to do with being 'accepted' by the West.

Russians couldn't give a flying f*** about what the West thinks about them.

China needs to get more self-confident. A 5,000 year old civilisation should not care about the opinion of a bunch of imperialists.

Indeed. CCTV should start with by stopping buying the cheap US propaganda as to the criminal activity inside the US. You know, for US media, there is no terrorists in XinJiang, but dissent, angry youth and oppressed minorities. CCTV should report every single terrorism inside the US as such and put the blame on US regime and sympathise in disguise with the freedom-driven cause of the terrorists as long as they are their terrorists.

Has not today some "angry minority US man" "allegedly" opened fire on military personnel and was suspiciously ended up dead as reported by regime friendly US corporate media mouthpieces?

CCTV should run a long narrative of religious persecution and oppression of the minorities in the US which might have led this young angry man to resort to such horrible act of frustration.

Anybody -- even a production worker -- knows that there is no way this Chinese processor was a response to that ban.

It was not, at least entirely, perhaps. There was already an action plan in place. But the ban has definitely sped up the process. Otherwise, the existing supercomputer would most likely go with the same processor as it expanded computing capacity.

In any case, sanctions are not necessarily bad after some stage of development is achieved.

 

[Beidou2020]

Is it possible to export supercomputers?

 

[Kyle Sun]

Haha our semiconductor industries finally get a chance to develop. !
More Sanctions please.

Crimea was Russian territory. It was given to Ukraine by Khrushchev to commemorate Ukraine-Russian friendship. Khrushchev was Ukranian by the way. Since there is no friendship left between Russia and Ukraine, there is nothing to commemorate now. Therefore Russia can take it's territory back.

Since there is no such relationship between Turkish state and Xinjiang neither in the history nor in recent times, what you say is irrelevant. I mean Crimea is more Turkish then Xinjiang. At least it belonged to us for centuries before Russians (not Ukrainians) took it from us.

Besides since this is a problem between Russia and Ukraine I don't know why it bother CCTV so much? I mean do you honestly believe they are following a certain moral code? Or are they serving to a certain agenda?

Crimea does bother China . We have good diplomatic relationships with both UKr and RU.
We buy weapons/tech/material from both UK and RU and sell them many products also.

But suddenly this two brothers turn on each other and fight to dead. China can not side with anyone in this shit .
What we can do is just sit on the fence and try to calm them down.

 

[jhungary]

what a huge loss for intel,

TSMC and Global Foundries both have fab plants and R&D in China. US bans sales of processors while still letting China have easy access to chip designers and fabrication. what did they expect?

when big companies like intel is banned to sell a product to one of their biggest market, they end up selling the Knowhow, it happened time and time again, with Cisco, pratt & whitney , and many western companies.

Actually, the "Banning" was already there for a long time under export control act as item listed as strategic material. Intel, however, have applied for an export license for such item to China. And now the license have been revoke for the Xeon type processor.

While other processor are not affected (Item such as Core I processor or atom processor are not affected

Commercial works continued to carry on in China by Intel, but the top tier server processor are out of the market. For Intel, the lost is actually not that much. Consider Chinese supercomputer business is not as great nor Intel is not of any authority in supercomputing.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Actually, the "Banning" was already there for a long time under export control act as item listed as strategic material. Intel, however, have applied for an export license for such item to China. And now the license have been revoke for the Xeon type processor.

While other processor are not affected (Item such as Core I processor or atom processor are not affected

Commercial works continued to carry on in China by Intel, but the top tier server processor are out of the market. For Intel, the lost is actually not that much. Consider Chinese supercomputer business is not as great nor Intel is not of any authority in supercomputing.

I don't think the chips are that important in and of themselves. US systems extensively use AMD which also doesn't have much authority in supecomputing.

 

[cirr]

The Intel ban came in April 2015. Three months later, China unveils a domestic coprocessor to replace the Xeon Phi completely. This is a future superpower in action.

Time is short and money（read old Xeon processors used in Tianhe-2）shouldn't be wasted otherwise the boffins at NUDT would have gone for Godson‘s 3B3000， Shenwei’s SW-5 or a third homegrown processor（the name has escaped me just now）for CPUs，thereby making Tianhe-2A entirely independent of Intel technologies。

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Is it possible to export supercomputers?

China can help other nations to build some.

 

[cirr]

An interesting read for Chinese readers:

让美国的限售见鬼去吧！天河二号A 100P性能达成！-高性能计算-服务器频道-至顶网

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

Is it possible to export supercomputers?

Absolutely.

You can either export parts of it, or sell services, or sell the complete supercomputer.

Saudi Arabia has the 6th or 7th fastest supercomputer in the world, and the only thing that they have done is to spend money on that stuff. It is almost an off the shelf, western technology based supercomputer.

Intel sells a tonne load of Xeon chips, and accompanying accelerators.

Infact today, almost all supercomputers are based on very few technologies.

An interesting read for Chinese readers:

让美国的限售见鬼去吧！天河二号A 100P性能达成！-高性能计算-服务器频道-至顶网

A brief abstract for us please...

 

[jhungary]

I don't think the chips are that important in and of themselves. US systems extensively use AMD which also doesn't have much authority in supecomputing.

No, the chips ARE important, basically without the chips, that would seriously limited the computing power of a supercomputer. The only 2 things related to computing power is the RAMs and the Chips, and one goes with another.

But the thing is, Supercomputer as a field is not at all important, beside the R&D value, most semi-conductor foundry uses the blue print of server processor and put into commercial design, however, since Intel is, well, literally the king of commercial/personal computing, the affect will not be much for them.

For China, the effect will not be much either, as supercomputer is not in any major serious field in Chinese Academic circle *** "Commercial" computing have not much of a gap than "Supercomputing" these day, they can simply use off the shelf product to fill the gap anyway. The only thing that threaten Chinese is the Top spot of top 500 supercomputer list, which consider the gap of Chinese processor and US processor, China probably will lose that spot unless they can find a way to equal or even get over US Server technology in the next 2 years. Which by all measurement standard, China is about 10 year + away

The revoking of export license by US government did not actually do much, seems to me, the only thing they are actually aiming for is the Top Spot of Supercomputer, that's it.