China-India Geopolitics: News & Discussions

[Place Of Space]

Will increase proportional to the GDP growth.



Not untill India gets 100 billion USD donations for its defence budget.

No comparison between 38 billion USD and 200 billion USD

The present budget is enough for the military race, you know materials, salary, cost are cheaper in India.

 

[Sloth 22]

The present budget is enough for the military race, you know materials, salary, cost are cheaper in India.

This is one grossly wrong assumption.

Its not the unskilled labour which manufactures arms and ammunition here. They are skilled and are required to be paid at par with most of the world. Similarly in electronics and Computers used in defence , its skilled and educated labour which works. And they are to be paid at par with what they would get them elsewhere.

Its not about build ing some 5-6 storey buildings where low cost labour is at our disposal.

May be a decade later when 1.7% of our GDP(The percentage alloted for Defence Expenditures) means 100 billion USD , may be then we can look for an arms race with China.

 

[AndrewJin]

This is one grossly wrong assumption.

Its not the unskilled labour which manufactures arms and ammunition here. They are skilled and are required to be paid at par with most of the world. Similarly in electronics and Computers used in defence , its skilled and educated labour which works. And they are to be paid at par with what they would get them elsewhere.

Its not about build ing some 5-6 storey buildings where low cost labour is at our disposal.

May be a decade later when 1.7% of our GDP(The percentage alloted for Defence Expenditures) means 100 billion USD , may be then we can look for an arms race with China.

Skilled labor in india still gets very little.
There are indian experts in China who have never worked in india but to pursuit much higher salary in China.
It can partly explain why middle class (in the same PPP terms) in india is very tiny.

It's better China and India have a military race, in this case the whole Asia can develop in technology and security.

Yes, via military technological researches, civil industries will advance at a much higher pace.
Integration of military industry and civil industry in China is very close....

 

[SBUS-CXK]

Chinese domination of Electronic products is the reality and will be for few more decades to come. They simply have a complete ecosystem. Its just they lag is design and development for which US is still the base.

India needs to make sure, that it gobbles up "significant" investment that electronics company make all over the world. India needs to start up manufacturing in heavy machinery too (we do have a head start and we have trade sulprus in exporting heavy machinery to China though overall value is very low). But electronics is the one which will save significant amount of money

https://www.thebig5hub.com/galleries/top-10-construction-machinery-manufacturers/#prettyPhoto

The world's top 10 construction machinery manufacturers, China has two, SANY and XCMG...
But I have a deep concern.
The world market has been monopolized by the developed countries, not only the construction machinery industry, a lot of industries are like this.
Like this list, you can see that, in addition to China, all the developed countries...
This means that the developed countries are still in progress, while the market in developing countries is being squeezed.
This almost forms a cycle, developed countries are increasingly powerful, developing countries are increasingly stagnant.

Long road of development...

 

[illusion8]

China is driving India's modernising drive. It makes sense to buy Chinese equipment in bulk because of the huge price difference and because of huge quantities that the Chinese factory workers are capable of churning out.

 

[SBUS-CXK]

China is driving India's modernising drive. It makes sense to buy Chinese equipment in bulk because of the huge price difference and because of huge quantities that the Chinese factory workers are capable of churning out.

Price is not the focus.
Focus on quality is better and cheaper. This is mainly because the India manufacturers need to buy parts throughout the world. So some of India's products are of high prices because they have to pay for parts suppliers' money. But the India manufacturers are not entirely dependent on foreign parts.
For example, Freedom 251 and Nano.
This is much cheaper than Chinese products.

 

[AndrewJin]

https://www.thebig5hub.com/galleries/top-10-construction-machinery-manufacturers/#prettyPhoto

The world's top 10 construction machinery manufacturers, China has two, SANY and XCMG...
But I have a deep concern.
The world market has been monopolized by the developed countries, not only the construction machinery industry, a lot of industries are like this.
Like this list, you can see that, in addition to China, all the developed countries...
This means that the developed countries are still in progress, while the market in developing countries is being squeezed.
This almost forms a cycle, developed countries are increasingly powerful, developing countries are increasingly stagnant.

Long road of development...

In traditional sectors, developing countries have to spend ten times more efforts and money to break technological monopoly otherwise their deficit will continue to increase like a rocket in the future.
(the more they make-in-india, the more deficit they will have)

Good news about China is our decades of crazy R&D spending enables us to break such monopoly in traditional industries one by one. In terms of new industries during the ongoing industrial revolution, China is always in the first tier.

Sad news is, there is nearly zero room for other emerging economies.
The reality is harsh.
The only chance is by spending more on R&D and producing more high-skill technicians like China.
Such chance is nearly non-existence.

New bullet train gear transmission system finishes 600k km test and 500km/h test

Breaking western monopoly: China's first 20,000-watt fiber laser

Huawei unveils breakthrough graphene-assisted Li-ion battery

Any of these breakthroughs saves China millions of or billions of dollars per year.....

 

[illusion8]

Price is not the focus.
Focus on quality is better and cheaper. This is mainly because the India manufacturers need to buy parts throughout the world. So some of India's products are of high prices because they have to pay for parts suppliers' money. But the India manufacturers are not entirely dependent on foreign parts.
For example, Freedom 251 and TATA.
This is much cheaper than Chinese products.

Price and the ability to manufacture fast is the criteria. I will give you a classic example that I had to write a thesis on during management studies.

Reliance telecom bought and sold close to 300 million LG handsets for a little less than 8 dollars each when it put a mobile phone practically in all Indians hands. The low cost and quantity of the handset was because it was manufactured and shipped from China.

India put in place broadband equipment along the whole breadth and width of the nation within a couple of years. .purely because a lot of that equipment was manufactured in China.

 

[Smart_boy]

West, again sell their arms in this race and get the financial advantage from it. Like it did in middle east.

Poor Asian must show some maturity.

 

[AndrewJin]

This is a very important part of the article I think.

While India is talking about boycotting fireworks and other such things, our main exports to India are actually capital goods, e.g. machinery that is used to create other products or services.

China also had to import a lot of capital goods during the early part of our boom phase. It's not possible for India to boycott such things (considering China produces them the most competitively), so the trade deficit is likely to continue rising for the near future.

People on the ground in India see India's huge and rising trade deficit to China, they think it's because of consumer products (which are everywhere as well). But in fact the main part is capital goods, and it's actually helping India enormously.

That's why we'll never see a real concerted boycott campaign from the Indian government, because they understand this.

The more they make in india, the more deficit they will have.

 

[SBUS-CXK]

Will increase proportional to the GDP growth.



Not untill India gets 100 billion USD donations for its defence budget.

No comparison between 38 billion USD and 200 billion USD

OK.
But I have always had a question, why India don't buy F-16?

 

[Shajida Khan]

I smell new tenders for fighter crafts are to be floated again. Someone wants to sell their outdated planes badly. India will do well by leveraging US to sell her engines and missiles instead of planes. Indian airframe + US engines + Israel's Radars and sensors + Russian and US armaments = Win.

OK.
But I have always had a question, why India don't buy F-16?

Because they are dead end platforms.

 

[SBUS-CXK]

I smell new tenders for fighter crafts are to be floated again. Someone wants to sell their outdated planes badly. India will do well by leveraging US to sell her engines and missiles instead of planes. Indian airframe + US engines + Israel's Radars and sensors + Russian and US armaments = Win.



Because they are dead end platforms.

But India almost does not buy the US fighter...

 

[Shajida Khan]

But India almost does not buy the US fighter...

Yes true, but US still wants to sell them to India. This article is their sales pitch.

 

[Sloth 22]

OK.
But I have always had a question, why India don't buy F-16?

The views as of today in MoD , New Delhi is .

Its just not the fighter jet. But
1. The Aircraft on offer should be capable and safe for India to operate. Now you know , for every high end technology sold , they need to know where and how is it being used , each minute ! Now whatever the media may try to paint , India and USA bilateral relations are not the best. And God Forbid , if Indian Intersts lies in opposing America on a certain issue critical to their War on Terror Policy , boom and we are embargoed !

2. The manufacturer needs to build the aircraft in India , and Indian Raw materials in the aircraft should be comparable to that of Su30MKI production , where the only thing outside some avionics and Titanium parts of Engine is built from Indian Raw Materials ! This is one big requirement, which at the moment only Russia and France are offering.

3. Not 100% ToT of Aircraft. But technology infusion in Indian Industry and capabilities, basically creating your competitor in India. Again only Russia , France and to some extent UK and Germany are interested.

4. PAF already has F16s . INDIA will not want to induct a fighter jet in 2025 when Pakistan would be replacing the same!