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China-India Geopolitics: News & Discussions

Published April 22, 2017
SOURCE: PTI

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China today said it would like India to be part of the Belt and Road Initiative(BRI) that seeks to link Asia with Europe, adding if concerns of sovereignty over the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor was a hurdle, they would be “resolved.”

“India is an important partner of the Belt and Road Initiative. It was, remains and will be so in the future,” Liu Jinsong, minister at the Embassy of China in India, said.

“Without hesitation, the Chinese side sincerely invites the Indian side to join many BRI forums, including the Forum to be held next month,” Liu said.

“If this (concerns over China-Pakistan Economic Corridor) is the only reason that affects Indian friends’ will to join the Belt and Road Initiative, this concern could be resolved,” he said.

He was addressing a conference on “The Belt and Road Initiative: India’s perspectives on China’s ambitious plan for infrastructural connectivity in Asia, Africa and Europe,” organised by Observer Research Foundation here.

“Transportation is the basis of CPEC, and connectivity between China and Pakistan will unavoidably pass through Azad Kashmir area,” he said.

“China has no intention to interfere in territorial and sovereignty disputes between India and its neighbours,” he said, adding that China’s position on the Kashmir issue has not changed either.

“President Xi Jinping will host the Belt and Road Forum for International Cooperation from May 14 to 15 in Beijing. Leaders of 28 countries and the UN Secretary-General will attend the Forum,” he said.

Referring to the debate on whether India should join the Belt and Road Initiative, he said, “India has always been on the Belt and Road”, and cited travels of explorers from both the countries.

“The Belt and Road Initiative is an inheritance, revival and upgrade of the ancient Silk Route,” he said.

The two countries should resume common efforts and work to revive the Silk Route, he said.

“In 2013, President Xi Jinping proposed the Belt and Road Initiative as well as the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank (AIIB), which aims to provide financial support for infrastructure construction in countries along the BRI routes,” he said.

“India gave a positive response to China’s proposal and held the second round of negotiation working group meeting in Mumbai. India contributed 8 billion US dollars and became the second largest shareholder at the AIIB,” he said.

“Over 40 countries have signed the BRI cooperation agreements with China. At the Forum next month, another over 40 countries and international organisations will discuss and sign cooperation agreements with China,” he said.

“China and India, each with over 1.3 billion people, are still not connected by railways,” he said.

There are only 40-plus direct flights between the two countries each week, considerably less than 1,000 direct flights per week between China and South Korea, he said.

Liu also referred to reports of a 61-year-old postman journeying through the Nathula Pass to exchange mail bags every day for 25 years, calling him “a civil envoy” promoting China-India friendship and connectivity.
 
India subcontinent used to be an important part of ancient maritime silk route.

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You can obviously find the "string of pearls" coined by USA DoD from the above map, the string of pearls in fact was not invented by US, it was invented by traders from various ancient Asian countries. American must have steal the concept from an ancient silk route map.

China's strategy is very CLEAR and STRAIGHTFORWARD - "rebuild the old silk route". No conspiracy at all. Not every move has a military intention, what's the point to contain a country with 1.4 billion people, nuclear power, future top 3 economy ?
 
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Under current circumstances, there is no need to be part of any alignment with the Chinese. Let them make CPEC a success, if possible.
 
Under current circumstances, there is no need to be part of any alignment with the Chinese. Let them make CPEC a success, if possible.
I don't think things are that bad with Chinese. Are relation always flip flops

over 70 billion $ trade is too important to ignore for both nations
 
Under current circumstances, there is no need to be part of any alignment with the Chinese. Let them make CPEC a success, if possible.

You don't need align interest with China, you only need align with your own interest. If India missed the opportunity, India would have to face a completely different business environment full of fierce competition when neighbors go prosperous.
 
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You don't need align interest with China, you only need align with your own interest. If India missed the opportunity, India would have to face a completely different business environment full of fierce competition when neighbors go prosperous.

Here is what you do not understand. We will not sign up for the CPEC due to geopolitical reasons. Kashmir which the CPEC passes through is considered Indian territory. The minute you put it through there, it was dead as far as India is concerned. So yes, it is in our interest, because we believe China by passing it through what we believe is Indian territory has disregarded our core interests.

As far as the prosperous part goes, you are welcome to go through the same parts of history the Americans did with Pakistan. Be our guests.

I don't think things are that bad with chinese. Are relation always flip flops

over 70 billion $ trade is too important to ignore for both nations
There is a difference between trade and CPEC as far as India is concerned, which I have explained to the Chinese comment above. I am all for trade, just not anything to do with CPEC or Chinese disregard for core strategic interests of India.
 
CPEC pass through Azad Kashmir not IOK. You consider India will fully control Kashmir ? Sorry, no chance. There's no military solution for Kashmir issue. The status quo will last for a very long time, probably 50 years, or even more than 100 years if India still unite as a single nation. Both sides won't compromise. So India will keep Kashmir people poor and make them revolt to against you? Make IOK prosperous is the only way to make IOK happily stay together with you, otherwise it's like a sword stabbing into you, you will be bleeding all the time. They will eventually split from India. I know you won't listen to me anyway.
 
CPEC pass through Azad Kashmir not IOK. You consider India will fully control Kashmir ? Sorry, no chance. There's no military solution for Kashmir issue. The status quo will last for a very long time, probably 50 years, or even more than 100 years if India still unite as a single nation. Both sides won't compromise. So India will keep Kashmir people poor and make them revolt to against you? Make IOK prosperous is the only way to make IOK happily stay together with you, otherwise it's like a sword stabbing into you, you will be bleeding all the time. They will eventually split from India. I know you won't listen to me anyway.

Kashmir is an area of core strategic interest to India. It is non negotiable. The entire Kashmir, including that occupied by both Pakistan and China. Now, you see my point. It is Indian strategic interest. We are not concerned with your dallying with the Pakistanis. Be our guest.

Trade with China will continue. But, the CPEC is dead road for us.

And to your point on military solution on Kashmir. We believe it too. Which is why we were no the agressors in 47,65 and 99. All that was your partner Pakistan. Do read history before discussing a topic you do not know about. The logical thing to do is follow UN resolutions, which by the way your Pakistani friends refuse to implement. Feel free to go through the legal way to do it. And you will find that the Pakistani position is legally untenable.
 
I think the Chinese are beginning to realize that without the huge Indian GDP and market of 1.2 billion the CPEC and silk route will not reach the success it can and should,
 
India subcontinent used to be an important part of ancient maritime silk route.

China's strategy is very CLEAR and STRAIGHTFORWARD - "rebuild the old silk route". No conspiracy at all. Not every move has a military intention, what's the point to contain a country with 1.4 billion people, nuclear power, future top 3 economy ?

:raise:But but why did you dock a submarine in a civilian port in Sri Lanka. Though operated by China you cannot dock Subs. Peacemakers indeed. Adding to that an Aircraft identification zone in Sri Lankan port.o_O Hmmm.
Building Islands in South China sea and arming them with missile silos had a professional touch I must say;). Also a similar identification zone like the one proposed in Sri Lanka.

The secondary concern about OBOR is it will become a Chinese dumping ground. Since you guys have a over production. This will kill off many domestic productions. Which we don't want.
 
why not? worth it for both India and China to do a benefit analysis. Both are mature enough to practice verified trust
 
China is embracing volunteering human cooperation, which is the fundamental core of capitalism, at the international stage.
 
I think the Chinese are beginning to realize that without the huge Indian GDP and market of 1.2 billion the CPEC and silk route will not reach the success it can and should,

Lol that's what Indians think, China make offer to Indian just to promote geo-economy of Eurasia continent, China is prospering without India and we're not dependent on India so if Indians think China's offer as sign of weakness and you can just refuse... business is not about charity.
 

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