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Thanks. You should know Vietnam usually pays respect and tribute to the strongest country in Far East. It appears to me that India has replaced China. Not too bad. Congrats. I am pretty sure more an more Vietnamese politicians and businesses will visit your country.

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I don't think democracies set out to become aggressive or hostile, they just adapt to situations. I think with China it is becoming clear that 'grabbing' land, resources, capital etc. is becoming a very constant trait. So it is important for all countries in the sphere to come together and tackle this regional headache.

A ludicrous comment from the slimy buggers.

Opening a separate front implies two things -

1. Chinese weakness to deal with indian troops in the contested piece of land.
2. China is going out of it's way in seeking war which reflects poorly on them.

I think it's about time they legalized marijuana and let some high quality weed into their country. Way too much aggression and frustration- at this moment they're fighting with everyone. Though Pakistanis will never accept it, their own country is running away from publicly endorsing the chinese position.
 
"Practical war test" ? Either you are delusional enough to think they achieved all that without testing it or you are desperate enough to claim nuclear or any warheads projectiles needs to be tested in warfare to be valid.

indian members are mentioning nukes on this threads then do it dont talk about it.
india cant do sh it except make third rate movies with sunny deol.
 
Bhutan acknowledges that Doklam is a Chinese area: Chinese official

BEIJING: In a stunning -but unsubstantiated- claim, a senior Chinese official said that Bhutan has acknowledged that the Doklam area where the Indian and Chinese troops are engaged in a standoff does not belong to it.

China's top diplomat on the boundary issue, Wang Wenli, told a visiting Indian media delegation that Bhutan has conveyed to Beijing through the diplomatic channels that the area of the standoff is not its territory.

She provided no evidence for the claim, which is at the complete variance with Bhutan's stated position and actions. Bhutan had protested to the Chinese government, accusing it of violating a bilateral pact after its troops tried to construct a road in the Doklam area on June 16.

"After the incident, the Bhutanese made it very clear to us that the place where the trespassing happened is not Bhutan's territory," said Wang, who is the Deputy Director General of the Department of Boundary and Ocean Affairs of the Chinese Foreign Ministry.

She went on to say that "Bhutanese find it very strange that the Indian border troops are on the Chinese soil," and implied that her views have been gleaned from Bhutanese state media and legal blogs which have "more convincing information".

A statement issued by India's External Affairs Ministry on June 30 said, "On June 16, a PLA (People's Liberation Army) construction party entered the Doklam area and attempted to construct a road. It is our understanding that a Royal Bhutan Armypatrol attempted to dissuade them from this unilateral activity."

India had also cited the Bhutanese Foreign Ministry as emphasising that "the construction of the road inside Bhutanese territory is a direct violation of the 1988 and 1998 agreements between Bhutan and China and affects the process of demarcating the boundary between these two countries. They have urged a return to the status quo as before June 16, 2017."

India also conveyed to the Chinese government that the road construction would represent a significant change of status quo with serious security implications for it. India says both sides should first pull back their troops for any talks to take place.

Wang said Bhutan is observing the actions being taken by both Indian and Chinese troops from its territory.

Bhutan has no direct diplomatic relations with China and maintains contacts with Beijing through its diplomatic mission in New Delhi.

Bhutan and China have held 24 rounds of talks to resolve boundary dispute while India and China have completed 19 rounds of talks.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...rea-chinese-official/articleshow/59979062.cms

More unsubstantiated- claims :lol:

 
first show some US muscle by declaring war to DPRK instead of seeking our help dealing with our neighbor. That's what i call weakness

Trust me when US decides to attack some country there's no fucking soul on earth who can stop it. Then again agenda should be to defeat a rogue entity and not open a cold war like front
 
Way Out of Doklam Is To Let Bhutan Handle It with China: Karat

THE CITIZEN BUREAU
Tuesday, August 08,2017

NEW DELHI: “India must seriously consider ways to diffusethe situation with China And the key lies in our accepting that this issue is between Bhutan and China and leave it to the Bhutanese to handle it,” said former general secretary CPI(M) Prakash Karat.

In an interview to The Citizen on the India-China face off in Doklam, Karat said that New Dehi does not seem to be understanding the seriousness of the Chinese intentions. He said that China had spelt this out clearly in its official document and made it clear that India has no jurisdiction in its view at all. Beijing has repeatedly urged New Delhi to withdraw its troops from Doklam, and made it clear that any negotiations can only follow, and not precede this. (http://www.thecitizen.in/index.php/NewsDetail/index/6/11386/July-End-When-NSA-Visited-Beijing-India-Left-Only-40-of-400-Soldiers-In-Doklam-Says-China)

Karat said that the government was downplaying the issue, and it does seem as if some (China claims only 40 of the 400 Indian soldiers now remain) troops have been withdrawn. But clearly this is not enough for Beijing to climb down and the best way out of this impasse would be for India to move out and allow Bhutan to step in and negotiate directly with the Chinese about the construction of the road and related issues.

Bhutan currenty is absent from the picture, having reacted to the Chinese construction of the road several days after it had started, under Indian pressure. Since the two month face-off in which relations between Beijing and New Delhi have dipped alarmingly Bhutan has remained silent with not a word on the issue that has its two big neighbours almost at war.

Karat was critical of the ‘confused approach’ of the Modi government regarding bilateral relations with China and neighbouring countries. He said it was unfortunate that the initiatives Prime Minister Narendra Modi had taken initially with China had petered out. Indian foreign policy, he added, is in complete disarray, even more so with regard to the neighbourhood.

He said that the pro-US tilt had been further accentuated under this government with the strategic agreements reached during the visit of then US President Barack Obama to India--Pivot to Asia--being the most “explicit declaration” of the decisive shift towards the US. the Prime Minister Narendra Modi who had started with some initiatives

Asked about the latest Chinese threat of military action in two weeks, Karat said that while China might not move into a military conflict as soon as that, it would certainly take measures in other spheres such as economic trade, against India.

Meanwhile Chinese official media is keeping up the offensive, with China spending these days briefing other missions. Its embassy in India briefed the Nepal counterparts a day ago. It is not clear whether India has taken other governments into confidence, except perhaps for the Americans. China is issuing statements on a daily basis and as a former Indian diplomat pointed out, agreeing with Karat, that this is well out of the realm of rhetoric. And that the statements indicate a seriousness that India would be well advised not to ignore.

The Global Times has expressed “shock” at what it claimed is India’s “recklessness” in a commentary titled “Modi must not pull India into recless conflict.” And goes on to state, “India is concerned that the road China was building in Doklam might threaten the security of the Siliguri Corridor, but does that justify Indian troops' incursion into another country in utter disregard of international treaties?

India is publicly challenging a country that is far superior in strength. India's recklessness has shocked Chinese. Maybe its regional hegemonism in South Asia and the Western media comments have blinded New Delhi into believing that it can treat a giant to its north in the way it bullies other South Asian countries.

Over the past month, the People's Liberation Army (PLA) has been on the move. We believe that the PLA has made sufficient preparation for military confrontation.

It is a war with an obvious result. The government of Prime Minister Narendra Modi should be aware of the PLA's overwhelming firepower and logistics. Indian border troops are no rival to PLA field forces. If a war spreads, the PLA is perfectly capable of annihilating all Indian troops in the border region.

So why hasn't the PLA started? China cherishes the decade-long peace on the border and wishes not to break it. We want to give peace a chance and allow India to recognize the grave consequences.

The Modi government's hard-line stance is sustained by neither laws nor strength. This administration is recklessly breaking international norms and jeopardizing India's national pride and peaceful development.”

Xinhua in a long commentary has raised and answered the following questions:

What happened on June 18?

On June 16, the Chinese side was building a road in the Dong Lang area (Doklam), located in Yadong county of the Tibet Autonomous Region of China.On June 18, over 270 Indian border troops, carrying weapons and driving two bulldozers, crossed the boundary in the Sikkim Sector and advanced more than 100 meters into Chinese territory to obstruct the road building of the Chinese side, causing tension in the area.

The trespassing Indian troops, reaching as many as 400 people at one point, put up three tents and advanced over 180 meters into Chinese territory. As of the end of July, there were still over 40 Indian border troops and one bulldozer illegally staying in Chinese territory.

Does the Dong Lang area belong to China?

Yes.

The main focus of the dispute is the Dong Lang area.

In 1890, China and Britain signed the Convention Between Great Britain and China Relating to Sikkim and Tibet. Article I of the Convention stipulates that "The boundary of Sikkim and Tibet shall be the crest of the mountain range separating the waters flowing into the Sikkim Teesta and its affluents from the waters flowing into the Tibetan Mochu and northwards into other Rivers of Tibet. The line commences at Mount Gipmochi (currently known as Mount Ji Mu Ma Zhen) on the Bhutan frontier, and follows the above-mentioned water-parting to the point where it meets Nipal territory."

According to the Convention, the Dong Lang area, which is located on the Chinese side of the China-India boundary, is indisputably Chinese territory.

The stability and inviolability of boundaries are a fundamental principle enshrined in international law. The China-India boundary in the Sikkim Sector as delimited by the 1890 Convention has been continuously valid and repeatedly reaffirmed by both the Chinese and Indian sides. Either side shall strictly abide by the boundary which shall not be violated.

Is Bhutan involved in the incident?

No.

The 1890 Convention has made it clear that the China-India boundary in the Sikkim Sector commences at Mount Ji Mu Ma Zhen on the Bhutan frontier. Mount Ji Mu Ma Zhen is the eastern starting point of the China-India boundary in the Sikkim Sector and it is also the boundary tri-junction between China, India and Bhutan.

The Indian troops' trespassing occurred at a place on the China-India boundary in the Sikkim Sector, more than 2,000 meters away from Mount Ji Mu Ma Zhen. Matters concerning the boundary tri-junction have nothing to do with this incident. China and Bhutan have been engaged in negotiations and consultations to resolve their boundary issue since the 1980s. Although the boundary is yet to be formally delimited, the two sides have had 24 rounds of talks, conducted joint surveys in their border area and have reached basic consensus on the actual state of the border area and the alignment of their boundary.

What are the consequences of India's illegally crossing the China-India border?

According to the United Nations (UN) General Assembly Resolution 3314 adopted on Dec. 14, 1974, no consideration of whatsoever nature, whether political, economic, military or otherwise, may serve as a justification for the invasion or attack by the armed forces of a State of the territory of another State.

To cross a delimited boundary and enter the territory of a neighboring country on the grounds of so-called "security concerns," for whatever activities, runs counter to the basic principles of international law and basic norms governing international relations.

As a third party, India has no right to interfere in or impede the boundary talks between China and Bhutan, nor does it have the right to make territorial claims on Bhutan's behalf. India's intrusion into Chinese territory under the pretext of Bhutan has not only violated China's territorial sovereignty, but also challenged Bhutan's sovereignty and independence.

The Chinese government urges the Indian government to immediately withdraw its trespassing border troops back to the Indian side of the boundary and conduct a thorough investigation into the illegal trespassing so as to swiftly and appropriately resolve the incident and restore peace and tranquility to the border area between the two countries.
 
Nope, indians won't retreat, they have a strong faith in a very powerful weapon, their highly advanced poop bombs.

i was about to post china should use that on those guys at the border to leave, then saw this on the news :D


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Israeli Stink Bombs Don’t Smell Bad Enough for Indians

14:25 28.07.2017


An Israeli stink bomb meant to control crowds has failed tests in India because Indians are used to such smells and are okay with it. The bombs were to be deployed against stone-pelters in Kashmir and were tested there, as well as in Delhi.


New Delhi (Sputnik) — The bomb, named Skunk, which smells like raw sewage and rotting human bodies, was to be used as a non-lethal measure. Indian authorities tested this product in Delhi by mixing it with liquid and sprayed on crowds by water cannon but test results disappointed the security personnel.

"The CRPF decided to test a few samples of the Israeli product a few months back. Tests were conducted and the stink bomb was found ineffective," said one of the officers present at the test to the Hindustan Times. "Those who can ignore [the] smell can drink the liquid also."

A CRPF official in Delhi confirmed the result to Sputnik but did not provide details. "We used it on a captive crowd… consisting of CRPF personnel and the general public. But they managed to tolerate the smell without much difficulty. Maybe Indians have a higher threshold of tolerating stench," official said.
Indian security personnel used pellet guns against protesters in Kashmir which injured many and killed dozens in last year's protest. Many protesters sustained permanent eye injuries last year due to pellet guns following the widespread protests over the death of local Hizb-ul-Mujahideen terrorist Burhan Wani in an encounter.

Following the uproar caused by the injuries, the government had considered the use of PAVA shells but CRPF and other forces continue to use pellet guns to stone-pelting mobs. CRPF then considered using the Skunk bomb.

Government records pointed to a sharp fall in stone pelting this year. "A total of 1,590 incidents of stone pelting were registered in 2016, this year the latest figures are 424, which is half of what was last year," RR Bhatnagar, Director General, CRPF, said. Nevertheless, more than 60,000 CRPF troops have been deployed in Kashmir alone to control the crowd.

https://sputniknews.com/asia/201707281055958988-israel-stink-bombs/
 
What else you can expect from these Indian commie(?

The fact that free speech allow this is a testament to India's credibility over Chinese propaganda.

i was about to post china should use that on those guys at the border to leave, then saw this on the news :D


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Israeli Stink Bombs Don’t Smell Bad Enough for Indians

14:25 28.07.2017

Most ordinary Indians are surrounded by all kinds of foul smell since the day they are born and spend a lifetime negotiating various odours -- at home, on the streets, on public transport, sometimes even at workplaces. No surprise they have a very high tolerance for stench.

An Israeli stink bomb meant to control crowds has failed tests in India because Indians are used to such smells and are okay with it. The bombs were to be deployed against stone-pelters in Kashmir and were tested there, as well as in Delhi.


New Delhi (Sputnik) — The bomb, named Skunk, which smells like raw sewage and rotting human bodies, was to be used as a non-lethal measure. Indian authorities tested this product in Delhi by mixing it with liquid and sprayed on crowds by water cannon but test results disappointed the security personnel.

"The CRPF decided to test a few samples of the Israeli product a few months back. Tests were conducted and the stink bomb was found ineffective," said one of the officers present at the test to the Hindustan Times. "Those who can ignore [the] smell can drink the liquid also."

A CRPF official in Delhi confirmed the result to Sputnik but did not provide details. "We used it on a captive crowd… consisting of CRPF personnel and the general public. But they managed to tolerate the smell without much difficulty. Maybe Indians have a higher threshold of tolerating stench," official said.
Indian security personnel used pellet guns against protesters in Kashmir which injured many and killed dozens in last year's protest. Many protesters sustained permanent eye injuries last year due to pellet guns following the widespread protests over the death of local Hizb-ul-Mujahideen terrorist Burhan Wani in an encounter.

Following the uproar caused by the injuries, the government had considered the use of PAVA shells but CRPF and other forces continue to use pellet guns to stone-pelting mobs. CRPF then considered using the Skunk bomb.

Government records pointed to a sharp fall in stone pelting this year. "A total of 1,590 incidents of stone pelting were registered in 2016, this year the latest figures are 424, which is half of what was last year," RR Bhatnagar, Director General, CRPF, said. Nevertheless, more than 60,000 CRPF troops have been deployed in Kashmir alone to control the crowd.

https://sputniknews.com/asia/201707281055958988-israel-stink-bombs/

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China has revealed its propaganda tools and resources in the current teaser by India. Indians are keenly taking note.

Unlike 1962 when the Indian Communist were conspired and supported China, this time we will finish the traitors for good.

For India to successfully implement " Make In India", it is important the relationship with China continue to remain hostile so that Indian Government is able to implement restrictions of China imports forcing Indian Industry to either source it from other place or produce ( even if costly) locally. 2 to 3 years of hostility should cover up the loss of manufacturing enterprise in India but immediately we will have USD 50BN of deficit trade with China corrected, local employment will increase and Indian economy will do better (China will slide further).

SO SORRY ...... NO MEDIA CAMPAIGN AND PROPAGANDA BY CHINA WOULD SUFFICE NOW.
 
india is setting themselves up for a failure. they should take that face-saving option while they still can. tough acting indian internet warriors not gonna help :D
Bro India has already moved it's forces to the border,China with better infrastructure on it's side has to show equipment moving for the parade for 90th anniversary as the troops moving to Tibet.
 
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